The Kevin Love Thread: Update PG. 67, 78

Post #301 » by **kingkirk** » Sun May 18, 2014 9:21 pm

This was great news to wake up to, as Love has been my option A for so long now. But, if i am Love, i am wanting a deal to Golden State.

Curry, Klay, Iggy & Bogut as your teammates would be huge.

I hope we get it done, but Golden State will be tough to trump.

Chitownbulls · Post #302 » by **Chitownbulls** » Sun May 18, 2014 9:23 pm

PMONSTER wrote:Love saying he wants Chicago may do something else beneficial.....

Put pressure on Melo to get a deal done. Just a little less leverage for Melo. A little.

Great point! I also think it will open the lines of communication between love melo an the bulls. Media could start talking about it too.

pylb · Post #303 » by **pylb** » Sun May 18, 2014 9:25 pm

This feels pretty great, rumors that both Melo or Love are interested.

Pretty much guarantees we're getting Pau, right ?

TheStig · Post #304 » by **TheStig** » Sun May 18, 2014 9:25 pm

KingCuban wrote:This was great news to wake up to, as Love has been my option A for so long now. But, if i am Love, i am wanting a deal to Golden State.

Curry, Klay, Iggy & Bogut as your teammates would be huge.

I hope we get it done, but Golden State will be tough to trump.

They don't have any 1sts except for 2019. All they can offer is Lee and Barnes. If I'm Minny, I take my chances making a trade for Dwill and see if I can't make the playoffs. Lee isn't worth his 30 mill over 2 years and Barnes isn't that special. He was pretty mediocre last year.

Chitownbulls · Post #305 » by **Chitownbulls** » Sun May 18, 2014 9:26 pm

If the Bulls get Love....you better believe Love, Noah an Rose will be begging Melo to come join them.

bad knees · Post #306 » by **bad knees** » Sun May 18, 2014 9:32 pm

TheStig wrote:
bad knees wrote:
Red Larrivee wrote:
I do think Asik will be tough to move, considering he's going to get paid $15 million next season (though it's only an $8 million cap hit). The Lakers are in a good position to make a move with that draft pick.

For Love, the Bulls could offer the reigning 6MOY, the best player outside the NBA, and two first round picks. Who is going to beat that?

How are we going to give them Jamal Crawford and Andrew Wiggens?

Oops. That's right, Jamal beat out Taj. And maybe Wiggins is better than Mirotic. But based on your other posts, I think that you'd agree that GSW's offer of Lee and Barnes is not nearly as appealing as Taj, Mirotic and two picks.

Post #307 » by **kingkirk** » Sun May 18, 2014 9:33 pm

TheStig wrote:They don't have any 1sts except for 2019. All they can offer is Lee and Barnes. If I'm Minny, I take my chances making a trade for Dwill and see if I can't make the playoffs. Lee isn't worth his 30 mill over 2 years and Barnes isn't that special. He was pretty mediocre last year.

Teams are not going to be in on Love if he doesn't want to go there.

Phoenix and Boston can also put together great offers based around youth and picks, but Love doesn't want that. He has the ETO which he can threaten both the Wolves and any team he is dealt to with.

He will force his way to the team he wants, be is GS, CHI or anywhere.

Minnesota are not getting fair value for him.

WestsideResider · Post #308 » by **WestsideResider** » Sun May 18, 2014 9:36 pm

I'll believe it when I see it.

bad knees · Post #309 » by **bad knees** » Sun May 18, 2014 9:37 pm

Red Larrivee wrote:
bad knees wrote:For Love, the Bulls could offer the reigning 6MOY, the best player outside the NBA, and two first round picks. Who is going to beat that?

You're going out on a limb to assume the Bulls are going to actually offer Gibson and Mirotic. If they did offer that, then sure, it's a really competitive offer. The issue is that Mirotic being non-commital about gonig to the Wolves would diminish that offer. Another is if you think they can get both, emptying your assets for the other, pigeonholes you into praying a team takes Boozer's $17 million.

I would offer Gibson in any deal for Love or Melo, so it's not a concern for me. Golden State could offer a deal starting with Lee and Barnes, which would be competitive as well.

The key is to do Melo first, when we still have the FA route as leverage against the Knicks. Get Melo for Boozer and three picks, either directly with the Knicks, or a three-way with Philly/Utah getting Boozer and two picks, and the Knicks getting a pick and a TPE.

Then, turn to Love, who hopefully will be pushing for a trade to the Bulls after seeing the Melo deal. Trade Taj, $3M in unguaranteeds, Mirotic, and two picks for Love.

boozapalooza · Post #310 » by **boozapalooza** » Sun May 18, 2014 9:38 pm

KingCuban wrote:This was great news to wake up to, as Love has been my option A for so long now. But, if i am Love, i am wanting a deal to Golden State.

Curry, Klay, Iggy & Bogut as your teammates would be huge.

I hope we get it done, but Golden State will be tough to trump.

You would figure GS won't get Love without giving up one of those guys though. All they really have to offer otherwise is Barnes and Lee. We have far more draft picks as them as well. A deal involving Butler, Taj, some picks, and maybe Mirotic is something they can't match unless they offer up Thompson or Curry, which is extremely unlikely. We can give Minnesota a better offer than just about anyone...lets hope GarPax can get it done.

nomorezorro · Post #311 » by **nomorezorro** » Sun May 18, 2014 9:39 pm

unless they get offered a top-3 pick or something, there is very, very little incentive for the timberwolves to trade love now instead of, you know, waiting to see if they've significantly improved. if they pull a portland, love will probably be less adamant about going elsewhere. there just seems like no reason not to wait until the trade deadline

TheStig · Post #312 » by **TheStig** » Sun May 18, 2014 9:41 pm

bad knees wrote:
TheStig wrote:
bad knees wrote:
For Love, the Bulls could offer the reigning 6MOY, the best player outside the NBA, and two first round picks. Who is going to beat that?

How are we going to give them Jamal Crawford and Andrew Wiggens?

Oops. That's right, Jamal beat out Taj. And maybe Wiggins is better than Mirotic. But based on your other posts, I think that you'd agree that GSW's offer of Lee and Barnes is not nearly as appealing as Taj, Mirotic and two picks.

I certainly agree. I think if we can get Love, it really opens up a trade for Melo. We have more than enough assets to get it done if we are ok with emptying the farm and losing flexibility for the next 3-4 years.

Red Larrivee · Post #313 » by **Red Larrivee** » Sun May 18, 2014 9:43 pm

bad knees wrote:The key is to do Melo first, when we still have the FA route as leverage against the Knicks. Get Melo for Boozer and three picks, either directly with the Knicks, or a three-way with Philly/Utah getting Boozer and two picks, and the Knicks getting a pick and a TPE.

Then, turn to Love, who hopefully will be pushing for a trade to the Bulls after seeing the Melo deal. Trade Taj, $3M in unguaranteeds, Mirotic, and two picks for Love.

Again, you're banking on a team being interested in taking on Boozer's $17 million salary for next season and assuming Chicago is going to deal Gibson and Mirotic.

I think getting one of them is realistic. If we get one, I think that takes us out the other.

Post #314 » by **kingkirk** » Sun May 18, 2014 9:44 pm

boozapalooza wrote:You would figure GS won't get Love without giving up one of those guys though. All they really have to offer otherwise is Barnes and Lee. We have far more draft picks as them as well. A deal involving Butler, Taj, some picks, and maybe Mirotic is something they can't match unless they offer up Thompson or Curry, which is extremely unlikely. We can give Minnesota a better offer than just about anyone...lets hope GarPax can get it done.

I really am not sure this will come down to assets, but leverage.

Leverage between Love and his FO, and leverage between Love and his pending FO.

We have a great offer for either Love or Melo, but at the end of the day, it still takes that free agent to signal where his preferred option is and how hard he wants to be there.

You don't get free agents these days without the FA themselves driving thing and making it happen.

If Love wants Golden State, he will get Golden State, superior offer from the Bulls or not.

We need to convince Love that this is his best option for winning. That, to me, is more important than convincing Minnesota that we have the better offer.

Love holds the keys here, and always has because Kahn and Taylor **** him over when it came time to his extension a few years back.

TheStig · Post #315 » by **TheStig** » Sun May 18, 2014 9:44 pm

KingCuban wrote:
TheStig wrote:They don't have any 1sts except for 2019. All they can offer is Lee and Barnes. If I'm Minny, I take my chances making a trade for Dwill and see if I can't make the playoffs. Lee isn't worth his 30 mill over 2 years and Barnes isn't that special. He was pretty mediocre last year.

Teams are not going to be in on Love if he doesn't want to go there.

Phoenix and Boston can also put together great offers based around youth and picks, but Love doesn't want that. He has the ETO which he can threaten both the Wolves and any team he is dealt to with.

He will force his way to the team he wants, be is GS, CHI or anywhere.

Minnesota are not getting fair value for him.

I was simply speaking of us. If the article is correct that us and GS are his choice, then we can easily trump their offer. Dwill, Howard and Melo both gave their teams a couple of options. Only LA could really trump our offer. And it really doesn't make sense for them to trade their pick for Love.

OldSchoolNoBull · Post #316 » by **OldSchoolNoBull** » Sun May 18, 2014 9:46 pm

Red Larrivee wrote:
bad knees wrote:The key is to do Melo first, when we still have the FA route as leverage against the Knicks. Get Melo for Boozer and three picks, either directly with the Knicks, or a three-way with Philly/Utah getting Boozer and two picks, and the Knicks getting a pick and a TPE.

Then, turn to Love, who hopefully will be pushing for a trade to the Bulls after seeing the Melo deal. Trade Taj, $3M in unguaranteeds, Mirotic, and two picks for Love.

Again, you're banking on a team being interested in taking on Boozer's $17 million salary for next season and assuming Chicago is going to deal Gibson and Mirotic. There are other teams who can make competitive offers as well.

I think getting one of them is realistic. If we get one, I think that takes us out the other.

Well, everything that we've heard about the Bulls' pursuit of Melo seems to indicate that their strong preference is indeed to move Boozer for him, and that Utah in particular is a third team that might be amenable to taking Boozer.

Post #317 » by **Michael Jackson** » Sun May 18, 2014 9:48 pm

nomorezorro wrote:unless they get offered a top-3 pick or something, there is very, very little incentive for the timberwolves to trade love now instead of, you know, waiting to see if they've significantly improved. if they pull a portland, love will probably be less adamant about going elsewhere. there just seems like no reason not to wait until the trade deadline

Unless LA wins the lottery. Minnesota would have to jump on that.

I just see Melo as far more likely than love. Both? No way I can see that.

Red Larrivee · Post #318 » by **Red Larrivee** » Sun May 18, 2014 9:48 pm

OldSchoolNoBull wrote:But everything that we've heard about the Bulls' pursuit of Melo seems to indicate that their strong preference is indeed to move Boozer for him, and that Utah in particular is a third team that might be amenable to taking Boozer.

I know Chicago wants to move Boozer for a star, but who's taking him? I haven't seen anything about Utah having interest in Boozer, though it would make sense if they're getting enough draft pick compensation.

If we miraculously landed one of those players for Boozer's expiring, then getting both would be plausible if the Bulls are going to pay the tax burdens for three max contracts (Love can sign a five-year, $100 million contract).

Post #319 » by **kingkirk** » Sun May 18, 2014 9:51 pm

TheStig wrote:I was simply speaking of us. If the article is correct that us and GS are his choice, then we can easily trump their offer. Dwill, Howard and Melo both gave their teams a couple of options. Only LA could really trump our offer. And it really doesn't make sense for them to trade their pick for Love.

As i've stated above, our offer trumps all offers. It really does.

Golden State has no picks, but has some decent players.

The Lakers have no contracts to send back in the deal, and would be foolish to throw away a potential top 5 pick for Love when he is still an option for them down the track.

No one will best the Bulls offer from what we know at this point. We have a range of assets to get it done.

It will come down to Love and his decision. Who does he want to play for?

This is the time where we need Rose & Noah giving him the recruiting pitch, and not the FO. That's what will get it done.

It's not about money, it's about winning. We need to sell Love on that. The team who does, they will get him, good or bad deal.

OldSchoolNoBull · Post #320 » by **OldSchoolNoBull** » Sun May 18, 2014 9:51 pm

Red Larrivee wrote:
OldSchoolNoBull wrote:But everything that we've heard about the Bulls' pursuit of Melo seems to indicate that their strong preference is indeed to move Boozer for him, and that Utah in particular is a third team that might be amenable to taking Boozer.

I know Chicago wants to move Boozer for a star, but who's taking him? I haven't seen anything about Utah having interest in Boozer, though it would make sense if they're getting enough draft pick compensation.

It was one of those chats ESPN people do sometimes, a couple weeks ago, somehow it came out in that chat that the Bulls had talked to Utah about Boozer and that it was a 'done deal' that he would go there. I don't know if anyone remembers this. Anyway, I wouldn't take 'done deal' literally at all, but I'd believe the indication that the Bulls and Utah talked and that Utah didn't hang up.