Taj will recruit. He'll be at Melo meeting (with Noah)

[WinCity]

Uh....is anyone else tired of Chicago media taking shots at D Rose for not wanting to recruit?

I mean...the concept isn't absurd, and if its already been clarified....why is he still catching heat for this?

Let Noah and Gibson and Thibs handle that.

if only Derrick had not done the interview CHI media would have Zero ammunition. fact is you get this kid in an interview situation and Columns start to Write themselves.

Derrick did the interview and in it he said...and I paraphrase "I love Melo's heart" "Sure I'd love to play with him" and "Anyone who loves to leave it all on the line, I'd love to have them here"

But what are we talking about?

OH ****....D ROSE DOESN'T WANT TO RECRUIT!!

.......again.

Now...how is that his fault again?

Players dont make decisions based on talking heads opinions of a players comments. This effects fans, and we somehow take it seriously when media start criticizing guys, but if you think players jump on each other over that you are kidding yourself. Players always defend one another against outside criticism. We have seen it a million times.

[kodo]

Highest Scorer =/= Best Recruiter.

Case in point, in the sweepstakes for Dwight Howard Chandler Parsons was the key player, not Harden or Kobe.

“Dwight didn’t waffle at all,” said the source. ”It was all contrived for clicks. No other team could win next year, and he developed a good friendship with Chandler. There is no one on the Rockets more responsible for D12 in Houston than Chandler. He would be in Dallas, or with the Golden State Warriors, or stayed in LA without him.”

That statement further confirms Parsons’ key role in the recruitment of Howard to the Rockets. It demonstrates how influential a single player can be to a recruiting process examined by the world. It also confirms that an individual’s representation can have a major affect on a player’s destination.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/darrenheitn ... r-parsons/

Rose is clearly a severely introverted individual and was a terrible public speaker even when collecting all his hardware. He probably knows he's not great at schmoozing & networking, and will leave that to agent, family, and players who are more naturally adept that kind of thing.

There's nothing wrong with that, this team is no longer built around Rose, as per Paxson.

[kristov]

Either the Bulls plan on trading Gibson or Mirotic otherwise it makes no sense to talk to Pau Gasol. I just can't imagine the Bulls not having an alternative plan in case the Knicks refuse a sign and trade other than 15m in cap space.

[MGB8]

If I did the math right, they can offer about 18 million with Taj still on the team, as long as they can "dump" everyone aside from Rose, Noah, Taj, McDermott and Aussie (whose salary is basically a cap hold).

So that means they can tell Melo - here, a deal starting at 18 and we'll get 7 guys on the vet minimum to fill roles around you, including a starting SG. If you want us to keep Jimmy Butler, then we can only start you at 16.5. If you want us to keep Snell instead of Butler, we start you at 17.1.

I think that's enough leverage to make NY blink and accept a sign and trade where they'll be getting a bunch of first rounders - the Sacramento pick, a few of the Bulls picks.

[kyrv]

Haven't read through the thread, but Noah and Gibson are expected to be at the sales pitch tomorrow for Melo, according to ESPN radio.

So much for trading Taj for space now.

Thanks.

But don't let him attend. Or Noah.

NOT THEIR JOBS!

[kyrv]

Highest Scorer =/= Best Recruiter.

Case in point, in the sweepstakes for Dwight Howard Chandler Parsons was the key player, not Harden or Kobe.

“Dwight didn’t waffle at all,” said the source. ”It was all contrived for clicks. No other team could win next year, and he developed a good friendship with Chandler. There is no one on the Rockets more responsible for D12 in Houston than Chandler. He would be in Dallas, or with the Golden State Warriors, or stayed in LA without him.”

That statement further confirms Parsons’ key role in the recruitment of Howard to the Rockets. It demonstrates how influential a single player can be to a recruiting process examined by the world. It also confirms that an individual’s representation can have a major affect on a player’s destination.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/darrenheitn ... r-parsons/

Rose is clearly a severely introverted individual and was a terrible public speaker even when collecting all his hardware. He probably knows he's not great at schmoozing & networking, and will leave that to agent, family, and players who are more naturally adept that kind of thing.

There's nothing wrong with that, this team is no longer built around Rose, as per Paxson.

And Houston is now more than willing to dump Parsons.

Having non-keepers recruiting is not a good strategy.

[MGB8]

And speaking of leverage, even dumping Lin, Houston has about 39 million just in Howard, Terrance Jones, Harden (a bargain at 14.7M) and Beverly. Then you'd have roster holds for another 8 guys, so they are at 43 million.

That means they are effectively in the same boat as Chicago - a starting SG at the vet min (or maybe a little more), along with all their depth at the vet min, and having to "dump" a couple more contracts, if Melo is really at "near max or bust."

[WinCity]

If I did the math right, they can offer about 18 million with Taj still on the team, as long as they can "dump" everyone aside from Rose, Noah, Taj, McDermott and Aussie (whose salary is basically a cap hold).

So that means they can tell Melo - here, a deal starting at 18 and we'll get 7 guys on the vet minimum to fill roles around you, including a starting SG. If you want us to keep Jimmy Butler, then we can only start you at 16.5. If you want us to keep Snell instead of Butler, we start you at 17.1.

I think that's enough leverage to make NY blink and accept a sign and trade where they'll be getting a bunch of first rounders - the Sacramento pick, a few of the Bulls picks.

Problem is that is a very very narrow window to squeeze in. I mean dumping all thise guys and taking back no salary? Thats going to extremely difficult to nigh impossible.

IMO accepting Noah's demand that Taj not be traded is too high a price for the recruitment services. However, we shall see.

I would just add that at this point its more likely Noah is hurting our chances at Melo than Rose is. I mean personally I dont have a problem withe either Rose or Noah, however Rose has stated Melo is a great player and would love to play with him but wont go further than that. Noah has demanded Taj not be dealt and that demand has now severely limited the Bulls avenues towards acquiring Melo.

[MGB8]

Problem is that is a very very narrow window to squeeze in. I mean dumping all thise guys and taking back no salary? Thats going to extremely difficult to nigh impossible.

IMO accepting Noah's demand that Taj not be traded is too high a price for the recruitment services. However, we shall see.

I would just add that at this point its more likely Noah is hurting our chances at Melo than Rose is. I mean personally I dont have a problem withe either Rose or Noah, however Rose has stated Melo is a great player and would love to play with him but wont go further than that. Noah has demanded Taj not be dealt and that demand has now severely limited the Bulls avenues towards acquiring Melo.

I don't think that is near impossible. There are lots and lots of teams way under the cap right now. The Lakers, Philly, Orlando, Utah, etc. You don't think Kobe wouldn't like to play with Jimmy next to him, taking care of defensive duties - not to mention having MJD backing them up? You don't think that the Lakers would be willing to absorb small contracts of Snell and Randolph to get that to happen, since those deals have zero long term implications (once Melo says that he isn't going to LA)?

There are other destinations, as well. This is trivial in terms of cap room that other teams would be taking on. I have no doubt that it could get done. And no salary would have to be sent back.

[Polynice4Pippen]

Highest Scorer =/= Best Recruiter.

Case in point, in the sweepstakes for Dwight Howard Chandler Parsons was the key player, not Harden or Kobe.

“Dwight didn’t waffle at all,” said the source. ”It was all contrived for clicks. No other team could win next year, and he developed a good friendship with Chandler. There is no one on the Rockets more responsible for D12 in Houston than Chandler. He would be in Dallas, or with the Golden State Warriors, or stayed in LA without him.”

That statement further confirms Parsons’ key role in the recruitment of Howard to the Rockets. It demonstrates how influential a single player can be to a recruiting process examined by the world. It also confirms that an individual’s representation can have a major affect on a player’s destination.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/darrenheitn ... r-parsons/

Rose is clearly a severely introverted individual and was a terrible public speaker even when collecting all his hardware. He probably knows he's not great at schmoozing & networking, and will leave that to agent, family, and players who are more naturally adept that kind of thing.

There's nothing wrong with that, this team is no longer built around Rose, as per Paxson.

Thank God for Joakim Noah.

[WinCity]

Problem is that is a very very narrow window to squeeze in. I mean dumping all thise guys and taking back no salary? Thats going to extremely difficult to nigh impossible.

IMO accepting Noah's demand that Taj not be traded is too high a price for the recruitment services. However, we shall see.

I would just add that at this point its more likely Noah is hurting our chances at Melo than Rose is. I mean personally I dont have a problem withe either Rose or Noah, however Rose has stated Melo is a great player and would love to play with him but wont go further than that. Noah has demanded Taj not be dealt and that demand has now severely limited the Bulls avenues towards acquiring Melo.

I don't think that is near impossible. There are lots and lots of teams way under the cap right now. The Lakers, Philly, Orlando, Utah, etc. You don't think Kobe wouldn't like to play with Jimmy next to him, taking care of defensive duties - not to mention having MJD backing them up? You don't think that the Lakers would be willing to absorb small contracts of Snell and Randolph to get that to happen, since those deals have zero long term implications (once Melo says that he isn't going to LA)?

There are other destinations, as well. This is trivial in terms of cap room that other teams would be taking on. I have no doubt that it could get done. And no salary would have to be sent back.

I see your point and perhaps its not as difficult as I suggested, however it is still a more narrower window then if we were willing to deal Taj.

Is it really worth appeasing Noah's demand? We shall see. All I know is its just gotten harder to get Melo not easier.

[GMgoran]

I wish people stop bitching and moaning about Rose recruiting or not recruiting other players ... Chicago Bulls represent a respectable organization with significant success in the past and probably the best fan base in the league, so if a free agent needs some balls licking by our star player in order to convince him to join us, then he can f*ck off ...

Those players do f off and win championships for other teams. But at least we have our pride or something.

How many top players have signed for other teams over the last 5 years and won the title, apart from LeBron and Bosh? Are you suggesting that Rose recruiting them back in 2010 would have changed their plan to join Wade in Miami? Or you are bitching and moaning just for the sake of it ...

[robert76]

If I did the math right, they can offer about 18 million with Taj still on the team, as long as they can "dump" everyone aside from Rose, Noah, Taj, McDermott and Aussie (whose salary is basically a cap hold).

So that means they can tell Melo - here, a deal starting at 18 and we'll get 7 guys on the vet minimum to fill roles around you, including a starting SG. If you want us to keep Jimmy Butler, then we can only start you at 16.5. If you want us to keep Snell instead of Butler, we start you at 17.1.

I think that's enough leverage to make NY blink and accept a sign and trade where they'll be getting a bunch of first rounders - the Sacramento pick, a few of the Bulls picks.

Problem is that is a very very narrow window to squeeze in. I mean dumping all thise guys and taking back no salary? Thats going to extremely difficult to nigh impossible.

IMO accepting Noah's demand that Taj not be traded is too high a price for the recruitment services. However, we shall see.

I would just add that at this point its more likely Noah is hurting our chances at Melo than Rose is. I mean personally I dont have a problem withe either Rose or Noah, however Rose has stated Melo is a great player and would love to play with him but wont go further than that. Noah has demanded Taj not be dealt and that demand has now severely limited the Bulls avenues towards acquiring Melo.

He didn't say anything about Rose though, right?

[bentheredengthat]

Rose basically ceding the leadership role for this team to Noah, weird. You'd think he'd want to step up and be a rep for his team but nope

Seriously. Like how awkward is it when the best player decides not to show his face?

I don't know... but fortunately we are just a bunch of fans on a sports forum, so when he does show up, which he will, we can have 50 pages calling him out for not doing something that he was always going to do, and we don't have to be embarrassed about it. I don't think.


And by the way, let's all just ignore Jo's statements all year whenever the subject comes up about who the leader of the team is.

Sports fans. sometimes we suck.

[Droseisthe1]

Rose basically ceding the leadership role for this team to Noah, weird. You'd think he'd want to step up and be a rep for his team but nope

Seriously. Like how awkward is it when the best player decides not to show his face?

I don't know... but fortunately we are just a bunch of fans on a sports forum, so when he does show up, which he will, we can have 50 pages calling him out for not doing something that he was always going to do, and we don't have to be embarrassed about it. I don't think.


And by the way, let's all just ignore Jo's statements all year whenever the subject comes up about who the leader of the team is.

Sports fans. sometimes we suck.

I do agree with you that Derrick will be around the Berto and will in fact converse with Melo during his stay here.

[Ron Johnson]

Far, far too much overreaction and overthinking things going on here. Melo is probably coming in with his agent and they're gonna want to talk about three things in this order: Money, roster and then basketball. As far as recruiting, Noah's been in his ear for months about our coach, management, and guys in the locker room, so nothing new can be said.

Obtaining Melo has always been a long shot and will probably only have a chance of happening if NY offers less than the max and sticks to its guns -- an indication that Jackson does not really want Anthony, which from some of the comments he has been making to the press it looks as if that's how he really feels anyway. If Anthony walks, they can get out from under the lux tax as long as they don't do some stupid sign and trade. Anthony could also end up preferring Houston or anyone else over Chicago.

By the way, some of the comments here about giving up millions and millions for legacy are hard to accept. Remember legacy does not buy money. And great players are still considered great players even if they have no rings because most fans are smart enough to realize that it can all be about the luck of being on the right roster in the right place at the right time.

[GIMME_DATT]

Two negatives going on here

1. Bulls seem to be trying to give melo a low ball offer . What about when other teams show him a better offer

2. The star of the team is no where to be found and is he truly healthy

[WestEndZone]

Rose doesn't have to be the main recruiter.

but I would imagine that Melo's decision to play for a contender lies greatly on Rose's health.

Melo on last year's Bulls w/o Rose is a ECF contender.

Melo on last year's Bulls w/ MVP Rose is a Finals nay DYNASTY contender.

Rose should do something to assure Melo that he is healthy.

[GIMME_DATT]

Chicago, Utah, NYK trade. Utah takes Boozer, Snell and a first, NYK get a second rounder, Bulls get Melo.

You can't be serious.

[AirP.]

It's cool, a player is willing to give up millions to play for another franchise yet Rose isn't willing to free up a few hours to talk to someone. I know, it's really tough to do.

I personally can't wait for D.Rose to no longer with the Bulls, even if he gets back to how good he was.

People having personal vendettas with a guy they've never met before who's been nothing but a law abiding citizen.

Hey... good thing you phrased it that way because it's a false statement.

Chicago Bulls point guard Derrick Rose, the NBA's No.1 draft pick, pleaded guilty Monday to speeding and was fined $1,000, placed on court supervision for 6 months and ordered to take an online driving course offered through Kane County.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2008 ... rrick-rose

He's a talented basketball player, he's from Chicago, he's also someone who's sat on the sidelines while being 100% physically while his teammates were fighting illnesses in the playoffs. He's let his brother bitch about the roster yet won't lift a finger to try to help strengthen the roster. Yeah, that's a guy I can feel good about rooting for!