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Re: Melo 20 - Here comes the money shot 

Post#301 » by ingvald » Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:28 pm

blumeany wrote:That's the oddest thing about all the national coverage - and even the local coverage. They keep pounding away on the 'maximum cap space' number that the Bulls can offer, instead of actually considering a very plausible sign-and-trade scenario that can get Melo the same money. That 16-17 million option is only one option that the Bulls could use. I don't think anyone has come out and said that the Bulls refused to explorer sign and trades. And we've only heard that Jackson would prefer not to take back Boozer. But there's been many times when a team has been rumored to not want to take a certain guy and they end up taking a certain guy.


They don't even have to include Boozer in the S&T to make it work. If they amnesty Boozer and S&T the non-guaranteeds, Dunleavy, and Snell they can offer around $20M to Melo. The key is the leverage that he'll walk for nothing in return- that's where LA is playing into all of this IF the S&T is going down.
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Re: Melo 20 - Here comes the money shot 

Post#302 » by ChiCitySPORTS#1 » Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:28 pm

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Chitownbulls wrote:Maybe Bulls still tryig to find a trade partner to open up more cash for Melo

No, they should have had that done weeks before we even had a chance to talk to Melo. And I'm sure the avenues to clear up space or whatever we need to do wouldnt be very difficult anyway

You don't know that they haven't and just aren't moving on them until they have a commitment. It's hard to know anything for sure.


Yes but that doesnt mean they dont have things in place already if need be....thats their job and I'm sure they have things set. We're just waiting for Melo, not Melo waiting for us to create moves for him to come here.
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Re: Melo 20 - Here comes the money shot 

Post#303 » by DerrickRose025 » Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:28 pm

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Re: Melo 20 - Here comes the money shot 

Post#304 » by SlikRik7 » Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:28 pm

If the LA leverage theory were true why would Melo even keep NY in the mix. He rumors should be saying Melo has ruled out a return to NY and now is mulling LA versus Chicago. That would push NY to do a sign and trade to Chicago.
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Post#305 » by Ring_Me » Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:29 pm

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPY9pQVzx9s[/youtube]
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Re: Melo 20 - Here comes the money shot 

Post#306 » by IrishBeatdown » Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:29 pm

GetSeven wrote:I have a feeling that a lot of people on here will be changing their avatars & sigs soon.

Yeah, better get prepared. I don't want to be the only fool on the block without a Melo avatar. Don't wanna be THAT guy.
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Re: Melo 20 - Here comes the money shot 

Post#307 » by Space Indaver » Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:30 pm

I remember thinking that thread #10 would be the last, and how it was a nice round number to finish things on.

I wish free agency was five days long and that's it.
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Re: Melo 20 - Here comes the money shot 

Post#308 » by Hans Embiid » Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:30 pm

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While Melo is deciding, and LeBron is watching, Gordon Hayward is visiting with the MJ and the Hornets today.


I would be pissed if Hornets get him for 48/4 or less.
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Re: Melo 20 - Here comes the money shot 

Post#309 » by boundbymusic » Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:30 pm

SlikRik7 wrote:If the LA leverage theory were true why would Melo even keep NY in the mix. He rumors should be saying Melo has ruled out a return to NY and now is mulling LA versus Chicago. That would push NY to do a sign and trade to Chicago.


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Re: Melo 20 - Here comes the money shot 

Post#310 » by erlim » Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:30 pm

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While Melo is deciding, and LeBron is watching, Gordon Hayward is visiting with the MJ and the Hornets today.


I had to do a double take at that banner. I thought the hornets were rolling out the red carpet for some make-a-wish child.
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Re: Melo 20 - Here comes the money shot 

Post#311 » by Magilla_Gorilla » Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:30 pm

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MT “@IraHeatBeat: Heat's use of exceptions is a game-changer with Bosh. There no longer is any need to ask him to take significantly less.


I don't understand this. The big 3 opted out, right? That means that the Heat were under the cap.

If I remember right from our discussions about Mirotic, all the exceptions count towards the cap.

Looking again at Coons FAQ, that seems right. (http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q26)

The question then would go, for resigning guys, how far over could the Heat go. I guess that would be the "apron" of 4 million over the Tax line? (http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q28)

But then you have the issue of "cap holds" on the big 3, since in order to resign them and go over the cap, the Heat will need to exercise "Bird rights." (http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q37 and http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q38).

If, somehow, 2 of the big 3 got their bird rights renounced to eliminate the cap holds, but still signed, and everything was timed just right... maybe?

If the Heat use the Full MLE they will be hard capped at 81 million.

The Heat could re-sign the big 3 at max for each and they'd still be under the apron.
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Re: Melo 20 - Here comes the money shot 

Post#312 » by Keller61 » Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:30 pm

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DerrickRose025 wrote:Comcast SportsNet ‏@CSNChicago 35s

#BullsTalk: Brandon Marshall wants everybody to shut up about Derrick Rose recruiting - http://bit.ly/1j9rZKh


"Who gives a **** if Rose is recruiting Melo? I'm recruiting Melo!"




"Everybody needs to shut up about that. It's not his personality," Marshall said. "Everyone knows D-Rose. Everyone knows D-Rose as a humble, quiet kid. He's not going to do anything that is beside himself. He's not going on Twitter - he's not on Twitter, period - so why would he go on Twitter and do that? Why would he go on any social network? Why would he go on ESPN or Fox Sports?

"That's not his thing. I'm sure he's had conversations quietly and he was there, but anything outside of that is not D-Rose. People need to sit back and accept people for who they are. I'm sure he's doing what he can, but as far as him stepping outside himself, it wouldn't be organic. It wouldn't be real."



I like the way he put that. Its just not his nature to be that outgoing and demonstrative.


Technically, Derrick is on twitter. He has tweeted twice in the past year. :lol:
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Re: Melo 20 - Here comes the money shot 

Post#313 » by IrishBeatdown » Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:30 pm

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While Melo is deciding, and LeBron is watching, Gordon Hayward is visiting with the MJ and the Hornets today.

This team could be good all of a sudden if they pick up GH. :o
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Re: Melo 20 - Here comes the money shot 

Post#314 » by ingvald » Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:31 pm

SlikRik7 wrote:If the LA leverage theory were true why would Melo even keep NY in the mix. He rumors should be saying Melo has ruled out a return to NY and now is mulling LA versus Chicago. That would push NY to do a sign and trade to Chicago.


If the rumors were leaked by Melo's camp- yes, that would be true. At this point, the rumors are just everyone speculating and talking out of their orifices.
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Re: Melo 20 - Here comes the money shot 

Post#315 » by DRoseCantStop » Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:31 pm

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While Melo is deciding, and LeBron is watching, Gordon Hayward is visiting with the MJ and the Hornets today.

Hornets are gonna be legit if they can snag Hayward.
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Re: Melo 20 - Here comes the money shot 

Post#316 » by IndianPlaya17 » Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:32 pm

*Note: re-post from page 14 in case you guys missed it*

Anyone remember this? It was from back in January.

La La Anthony "definitely" thinks her husband, free-agent-to-be Carmelo Anthony, will re-sign with the New York Knicks this summer.

"I definitely think he will stay," La La Anthony said in an interview with Bravo TV's "Watch What Happens Live." "I know that he wants to stay, and I support him wherever he wants to go.

"Listen, I used to live in Denver with him. If I can live in Denver, I can live anywhere. I just want him to be happy."

Carmelo Anthony says he will test free agency this summer. He is under contract through 2014-15 but can opt out after this season.

Under the collective bargaining agreement, the Knicks can offer him a maximum contract of $129 million over five years. Other suitors can offer Anthony a maximum of $96 million over four years.

La La Anthony playfully mocked those who speculate that she will have a heavy influence on her husband's decision.

"I get blamed for everything. No matter what happens, it's my fault," she said. "[There are] all these talks if he's staying in New York or not, [and] I'm somehow the mastermind behind if he stays or not."


The Knicks (17-27) have performed well below expectations this season. That has led some to speculate that Carmelo Anthony will take less money and sign elsewhere this summer.

One potential destination is Los Angeles. The Lakers are among several teams, including the Chicago Bulls and Dallas Mavericks, that may have the requisite salary-cap space this summer to sign Anthony.

Kobe Bryant, a friend of Anthony's, said Sunday that he will not be actively recruiting the Knicks forward to join the Lakers.

"Well, everybody wants to play in Los Angeles," Bryant said when asked about Anthony's potential interest in joining the Lakers. "I mean, New York is a beautiful place, don't get me wrong, but it is colder than s--- out here. You know, palm trees and beaches obviously are a little more appealing.

"All jokes aside, I think that players, when that time comes, will have to make the best decision for them and their families. I try not to think about it too much. If he wants to call me for advice later as a friend, I will be more than happy to give it to him."

Bryant pointed out that one way for Anthony to be viewed as more than just a scorer is to win a title.

"The only way to do that is win," Bryant said. "That's it. I won five championships, and there's some of you guys [who] still say that. You just got to take it and roll with it. The important thing is winning a championship. That's the only way to shake it. That's the only way Michael [Jordan] shook it. That's the only way any top scorer will be able to shake it."


Anthony, who is in his 11th season, said Monday that his sole motivation is to win an NBA title.

"That's the only thing I care about. Anything else is irrelevant to me when it comes to basketball," he said. "Championship is the only thing that's on my mind, is the only thing I want to accomplish, I want to achieve, and I'm going to do what I got to do to get that. That's my motivating factor. Nothing else even motivates me anymore, just that."

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Re: Melo 20 - Here comes the money shot 

Post#317 » by Ice the knees » Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:32 pm

boundbymusic wrote:
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I like the way he put that. Its just not his nature to be that outgoing and demonstrative.


refreshing comments after Dan Bernstein absolutely went in on him today.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/07/07/ ... ulls-dont/

This guy lives to rip on Derrick.


Refreshing? No one is asking Derrick to go on ESPN and beg for Melo. Talk to him for 20 minutes, tell him he should come and play in Chicago. Go to dinner. How difficult is that even for someone who's not outgoing? Really? From all accounts, all the players around the league love Derrick, so he must have SOME rapport with guys.

Guess the Bulls FO was very disappointed that Derrick chose to not go to dinner w/ everyone. Then when his camp leaked that it was a surprise and he didn't know Melo was coming? Terrible.


Dude...what kind of adults care about these petty, perceived, slights. They were in Chicago on business. Do you really think a grown man needs someone to come say hello yo him before he starts thinking about his money...I mean come on.
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Re: Melo 20 - Here comes the money shot 

Post#318 » by Magilla_Gorilla » Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:33 pm

Hayward is getting matched by Utah. Not even a question.
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Re: Melo 20 - Here comes the money shot 

Post#319 » by D_GoLow » Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:33 pm

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GetSeven wrote:
Chitownbulls wrote:Maybe Bulls still tryig to find a trade partner to open up more cash for Melo


Not without a verbal commitment from Melo. They learned from last time.


Kirky Poo didn't care, he was ready to come back home anytime.



Yes, but you don't want to risk moving a guy like Taj or Jimmy for nothing where we have a dire need for them if we strike out.
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Re: Melo 20 - Here comes the money shot 

Post#320 » by pylb » Mon Jul 7, 2014 9:33 pm

MGB8 wrote:
DerrickRose025 wrote:Rick Reeves ‏@NBAReeves 32s

MT “@IraHeatBeat: Heat's use of exceptions is a game-changer with Bosh. There no longer is any need to ask him to take significantly less.


I don't understand this. The big 3 opted out, right? That means that the Heat were under the cap.

If I remember right from our discussions about Mirotic, all the exceptions count towards the cap.

Looking again at Coons FAQ, that seems right. (http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q26)

The question then would go, for resigning guys, how far over could the Heat go. I guess that would be the "apron" of 4 million over the Tax line? (http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q28)

But then you have the issue of "cap holds" on the big 3, since in order to resign them and go over the cap, the Heat will need to exercise "Bird rights." (http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q37 and http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q38).

If, somehow, 2 of the big 3 got their bird rights renounced to eliminate the cap holds, but still signed, and everything was timed just right... maybe?

As long as the Heat don't renounce the rights to the big 3, their salaries still count as cap holds, so they're over the cap.

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