NBA Draft 2018 6.0: Lucky #7 and 22.

[blicka]

The draft is thursday,marc stein is the 3rd reporter in the last week who says kings may take porter. that's either a blatant smokescreen to get some team to trade up or they may really do it.Lol man if the kings take porter #2

[tunit213]

https://theathletic.com/395660/2018/06/18/finch-returns-nba-scouts-give-their-brutally-honest-takes-about-this-years-top-draft-prospects/

Michael Porter Jr., 6-10 freshman forward, Missouri. “He might be the No. 1 pick if he played all year. He just puts the ball in the basket at a high level. He’s a 6-10 athlete who can shoot it and play above the rim. Has every physical quality there is. Defense will be an issue. Obviously the back is a concern, so you have to see if his medical checks out. I was at his pro day in Chicago and he was good. He was flying all over the place. The dude doesn’t miss. He had some of his pop and explosion back. I worry about him making plays for others. I don’t think he’s the toughest guy. One concern I have is that he’s a vegan and his body is not developed.”

Jaren Jackson Jr., 6-11 freshman forward, Michigan State. “All-star player. Reminds me of Kevin Garnett. Guys like him are so rare – they can make 3s and guard 1 through 5. He’s just a puppy. He’s got to clear up his ability to play without fouling. He’s not great with his back to the basket. I’ve seen some segments in a game where his motor was off the charts, and I’ve seen games where I didn’t know he was on the court. Maybe he’s just not a killer. He’s got great upside because he’s still thin. In three years he’s not going to look at all like he looks today.”

Mohamed Bamba, 7-foot freshman center, Texas. “There may never be another human being/basketball player like him physically. He’s going to be able to make shots eventually. I don’t think he has a crazy work ethic, but obviously he’s a super smart kid. Look at Rudy Gobert – he couldn’t shoot like Bamba at this age. At least he can step out and shoot a 15-footer. Defensively he’s going to be a game-changer from the get-go. The concerns I have are just his motor, his durability, his toughness. He has other interests. Is he passionate about the game? It’s not about his talent. It’s about his willingness to play 82 games night after night.”

Wendell Carter Jr., 6-10 freshman forward, Duke. “He’s really good. I think he could be Al Horford, someone who does a little of everything. He’s big, he’s physical, he can make 3s, he can pass, you can play through him on the block. The only question is defending in pick-and-roll and defending in space. I don’t think he has great feet for that. He needs to continue to stretch that ball. If he can shoot from 3 in the NBA, that would make him a hell of a player. You’ll see more of his game now that he’s out of Duke. He was kind of the third option behind Grayson [Allen] and [Marvin] Bagley.”

[MisterRoy]

If Sacto wants him at 2, let them take the risk. If they don't, Dallas is going to force us to trade up.

[NecessaryEvil]

https://theathletic.com/395660/2018/06/18/finch-returns-nba-scouts-give-their-brutally-honest-takes-about-this-years-top-draft-prospects/

Michael Porter Jr., 6-10 freshman forward, Missouri. “He might be the No. 1 pick if he played all year. He just puts the ball in the basket at a high level. He’s a 6-10 athlete who can shoot it and play above the rim. Has every physical quality there is. Defense will be an issue. Obviously the back is a concern, so you have to see if his medical checks out. I was at his pro day in Chicago and he was good. He was flying all over the place. The dude doesn’t miss. He had some of his pop and explosion back. I worry about him making plays for others. I don’t think he’s the toughest guy. One concern I have is that he’s a vegan and his body is not developed.”

Jaren Jackson Jr., 6-11 freshman forward, Michigan State. “All-star player. Reminds me of Kevin Garnett. Guys like him are so rare – they can make 3s and guard 1 through 5. He’s just a puppy. He’s got to clear up his ability to play without fouling. He’s not great with his back to the basket. I’ve seen some segments in a game where his motor was off the charts, and I’ve seen games where I didn’t know he was on the court. Maybe he’s just not a killer. He’s got great upside because he’s still thin. In three years he’s not going to look at all like he looks today.”

Mohamed Bamba, 7-foot freshman center, Texas. “There may never be another human being/basketball player like him physically. He’s going to be able to make shots eventually. I don’t think he has a crazy work ethic, but obviously he’s a super smart kid. Look at Rudy Gobert – he couldn’t shoot like Bamba at this age. At least he can step out and shoot a 15-footer. Defensively he’s going to be a game-changer from the get-go. The concerns I have are just his motor, his durability, his toughness. He has other interests. Is he passionate about the game? It’s not about his talent. It’s about his willingness to play 82 games night after night.”

Man, I said JJJ reminds me of a guy with the ability to be in the KG convo and got laughed out the building on here lol.

but yeah, MPJ isn't falling to #7.

[Jahensle]

If Sacto wants him at 2, let them take the risk. If they don't, Dallas is going to force us to trade up.

It's possible we wait to see who SAC picks, with a potential deal on the table with Memphis depending on who the Kings pick. If the Kings pick Donic, we know that there is less of a chance of Bagley/JJJ/Bamba sliding to #7. This is making the assumption that Pax wants one of those three and not MPJ/Young. Personally, I think Pax wants Bamba or Bagley.

[taj2133]

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[RememberLu]

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Michael Porter Jr., 6-10 freshman forward, Missouri. “He might be the No. 1 pick if he played all year. He just puts the ball in the basket at a high level. He’s a 6-10 athlete who can shoot it and play above the rim. Has every physical quality there is. Defense will be an issue. Obviously the back is a concern, so you have to see if his medical checks out. I was at his pro day in Chicago and he was good. He was flying all over the place. The dude doesn’t miss. He had some of his pop and explosion back. I worry about him making plays for others. I don’t think he’s the toughest guy. One concern I have is that he’s a vegan and his body is not developed.”

Jaren Jackson Jr., 6-11 freshman forward, Michigan State. “All-star player. Reminds me of Kevin Garnett. Guys like him are so rare – they can make 3s and guard 1 through 5. He’s just a puppy. He’s got to clear up his ability to play without fouling. He’s not great with his back to the basket. I’ve seen some segments in a game where his motor was off the charts, and I’ve seen games where I didn’t know he was on the court. Maybe he’s just not a killer. He’s got great upside because he’s still thin. In three years he’s not going to look at all like he looks today.”

Mohamed Bamba, 7-foot freshman center, Texas. “There may never be another human being/basketball player like him physically. He’s going to be able to make shots eventually. I don’t think he has a crazy work ethic, but obviously he’s a super smart kid. Look at Rudy Gobert – he couldn’t shoot like Bamba at this age. At least he can step out and shoot a 15-footer. Defensively he’s going to be a game-changer from the get-go. The concerns I have are just his motor, his durability, his toughness. He has other interests. Is he passionate about the game? It’s not about his talent. It’s about his willingness to play 82 games night after night.”

Wendell Carter Jr., 6-10 freshman forward, Duke. “He’s really good. I think he could be Al Horford, someone who does a little of everything. He’s big, he’s physical, he can make 3s, he can pass, you can play through him on the block. The only question is defending in pick-and-roll and defending in space. I don’t think he has great feet for that. He needs to continue to stretch that ball. If he can shoot from 3 in the NBA, that would make him a hell of a player. You’ll see more of his game now that he’s out of Duke. He was kind of the third option behind Grayson [Allen] and [Marvin] Bagley.”

I like that he says "I'm concerned about Porter because hes a vegan and his body is not developed."

But really, none of these guys' body is developed. They're prospects going on their rookie year. They haven't experienced an NBA strength training regimen.

[tunit213]

I think because Carter's safe, people assume he doesn't have upside. I think a guy with his size and his well-roundedness, while not 'sexy', has a pretty high caliber upside. I struggle to get excited for him but I know if I think low of him it's going to bite me in the ass. He's really damn good.

I agree he is really damn good. Carter and Markkanen can be our starters for the next decade. Issue is we will have to score in FA. Because I don’t see Lavine or Markkanen as #1 options on championship teams. That’s a lot of pressure on Lauri. We will need more firepower.

[Hangtime84]

I know quite a few vegan body builders i think it's harder but that point is so incorrect.

[RSP83]

As the draft gets closer, and re-visit Bamba's footage, I'm not as high as I used to be on him. Very smart kid, but basketball-wise he still has a lot to prove. His ceiling is still undeniably very high though. My top 3 guys remain Doncic, JJJ, and my sleeper pick Miles Bridges.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

Wow, jesus. Our 2nd best player after Lauri?

Jordan Bell? If JB is the 2nd best player on your team going forward, you severely lack assets and have completely underwhelming talent to begin with, aside from Lauri.

So your saying Jordan Bell is better than anyone on the Bulls outside of Lauri as well, I take it?

Bell is also irrelevant long term.

If Bell is a bust in Chicago, he's irrelevant.
If Bell does well, he's only a 2nd round pick so becomes a free agent in 2 years typically, which means he'll have to be paid heavily to be retained. We've seen exactly the Jordan Bell situation...with Omer Asik. And we've seen exactly how it ends for us & the other team.

We could have had Jordan Bell for 4 years for cheap money.

That’s the part that sucks. We were fed it was a financial decision when the reality is Felicio is going to cost us more.

[bad knees]

If Sacto wants him at 2, let them take the risk. If they don't, Dallas is going to force us to trade up.

It's possible we wait to see who SAC picks, with a potential deal on the table with Memphis depending on who the Kings pick. If the Kings pick Donic, we know that there is less of a chance of Bagley/JJJ/Bamba sliding to #7. This is making the assumption that Pax wants one of those three and not MPJ/Young. Personally, I think Pax wants Bamba or Bagley.

Ideal scenario:

Ayton
Porter
Young

Then the Bulls trade for 4/Parsons (while keeping 7) and take Doncic. This would leave Bagley, Bamba and JJJ on the board, with only DAL and ORL ahead of us. DAL would likely take Bagley, meaning that we would get either Bamba or JJJ.

Then take a wing 3&D defender at 22 to start at SG, pushing LaVine to his highest and best use: 6th man.

Dunn
Evans/LaVine
Doncic
Lauri
JJJ

[thewraith]

Not the bulls mo to take risks, they have played it safe for years. Which is why I doubt they draft mpj or Trae young. I hope Bamba is there at 7

This is why I think wcj will be the pick. I really hope I’m wrong and they shock me

If the Bulls take WCJ at 7, it will provide a nice tasty treat for all the FO haters the chew on over the summer. But my deep belief is that it won't be long before that crowd will settle down substantially once they start watching him play. Then they will start cheering when some of the other, more highly touted players start to fall flat.

It's really this simple. If you feel like the Bulls need to go with a good player that is going to be a positive contributor towards this rebuild, then you will likely be fine with WCJ. However, if you feel like the Bulls need to go for the long ball even if it means looking like a fool for going down swinging, then you will likely hate a WCJ pick.

I don't think there is anything wrong with taking Trae young as a high upside pick because he brings a quality that will make him serviceable at a minimum in this league. He can shoot. But I question his fit on this team. I have cooled on MPJ A LOT. And it's not just the back thing. I am starting to question his ability to play at a high level against the most elite in the sport. To me, that's not just taking a HR hack. It's similar to blindfolding yourself, not knowing the pitcher, and then going and just foolishly swinging hoping to connect. Nothing smart or strategic about that. So at our slot, that pretty much leaves us with Bamba (possibly), WCJ and Mikal Bridges. I'd rather go big at 7 because they will all be gone later in the draft. I believe that you can use 22 and a player to trade up if you want to get your 3. So in that sense, I'm good with Bamba (higher upside than WCJ) or WCJ (higher floor than Bamba).

Honestly we as a fanbase need to stop the whole he don't with regards to Young or any other player on this team. This team isn't good enough to talk about fit on this team. They stink and even if healthy all season in a non tanking season I think at best they are fighting for a playoff position to mess up our chances to get a potential shot at a top draft pick. I can't worry about fit when this team is 1rd playoff exit at best waiting to happen. Once we are a contender like we were during the good Rose years then worry about fit but now everybody position even Lauri for me can be replaced.

[_txchilibowl_]

My next mock I'm going to have Bamba going #2...

[KevinPandawong]

"If Pax deems MPJ healthy than we should trust they are making a safe decision" Given the Bulls' track record, I actually hate that they are the team with the most information on Porter's back. I trust their scouting instincts wholeheartedly, but medically speaking I mean they almost killed Deng...

[Repeat 3-peat]

"NBA Draft God" has been putting Young with Atlanta for over a month now.

Maybe they do know something after all.

[Betta Bulleavit]

Not the bulls mo to take risks, they have played it safe for years. Which is why I doubt they draft mpj or Trae young. I hope Bamba is there at 7

This is why I think wcj will be the pick. I really hope I’m wrong and they shock me

If the Bulls take WCJ at 7, it will provide a nice tasty treat for all the FO haters the chew on over the summer. But my deep belief is that it won't be long before that crowd will settle down substantially once they start watching him play. Then they will start cheering when some of the other, more highly touted players start to fall flat.

It's really this simple. If you feel like the Bulls need to go with a good player that is going to be a positive contributor towards this rebuild, then you will likely be fine with WCJ. However, if you feel like the Bulls need to go for the long ball even if it means looking like a fool for going down swinging, then you will likely hate a WCJ pick.

I don't think there is anything wrong with taking Trae young as a high upside pick because he brings a quality that will make him serviceable at a minimum in this league. He can shoot. But I question his fit on this team. I have cooled on MPJ A LOT. And it's not just the back thing. I am starting to question his ability to play at a high level against the most elite in the sport. To me, that's not just taking a HR hack. It's similar to blindfolding yourself, not knowing the pitcher, and then going and just foolishly swinging hoping to connect. Nothing smart or strategic about that. So at our slot, that pretty much leaves us with Bamba (possibly), WCJ and Mikal Bridges. I'd rather go big at 7 because they will all be gone later in the draft. I believe that you can use 22 and a player to trade up if you want to get your 3. So in that sense, I'm good with Bamba (higher upside than WCJ) or WCJ (higher floor than Bamba).

Honestly we as a fanbase need to stop the whole he don't with regards to Young or any other player on this team. This team isn't good enough to talk about fit on this team. They stink and even if healthy all season in a non tanking season I think at best they are fighting for a playoff position to mess up our chances to get a potential shot at a top draft pick. I can't worry about fit when this team is 1rd playoff exit at best waiting to happen. Once we are a contender like we were during the good Rose years then worry about fit but now everybody position even Lauri for me can be replaced.

I think what you are saying is true in theory. However, there is something to be said about the position that we are putting players in as an organization. If they want to draft Young, have at it. I think he has the tools to be GREAT player. But I don't see that materializing as long as Dunn is here. So if we take Young, think about packaging 22 and Dunn for another player of need/higher upside.

[thewraith]

I'll be so disappointed if they take Carter. Plenty of good wings will be available at 7 and we desperately need one. You don't draft a 5 in the high lottery unless he's a potential game changer (Bamba, Bagley). Carter, at best, puts up 16-9 and defends the paint well but he's too slow footed to guard the perimeter and switch on quicker wings. The last thing we need are two bigs who have trouble switching in Lauri and WCJ. The better teams will abuse that lineup and I could see Carter being benched late in games.

I would take either of the Bridges over WCJ and not think twice about it. And I'd definitely take Trae Young or MPJ over him. I really hope he's not our pick.

I agree with your point on 5's but I don't see Bamba and Bagley being game changers. I've said how I felt on Bamba many times and I think Bagley might be just ok and that's not what you should going for early in the draft. I know people disagree but that's ok too.

[Truebiscuit]

https://theathletic.com/395660/2018/06/18/finch-returns-nba-scouts-give-their-brutally-honest-takes-about-this-years-top-draft-prospects/

Michael Porter Jr., 6-10 freshman forward, Missouri. “He might be the No. 1 pick if he played all year. He just puts the ball in the basket at a high level. He’s a 6-10 athlete who can shoot it and play above the rim. Has every physical quality there is. Defense will be an issue. Obviously the back is a concern, so you have to see if his medical checks out. I was at his pro day in Chicago and he was good. He was flying all over the place. The dude doesn’t miss. He had some of his pop and explosion back. I worry about him making plays for others. I don’t think he’s the toughest guy. One concern I have is that he’s a vegan and his body is not developed.”

Jaren Jackson Jr., 6-11 freshman forward, Michigan State. “All-star player. Reminds me of Kevin Garnett. Guys like him are so rare – they can make 3s and guard 1 through 5. He’s just a puppy. He’s got to clear up his ability to play without fouling. He’s not great with his back to the basket. I’ve seen some segments in a game where his motor was off the charts, and I’ve seen games where I didn’t know he was on the court. Maybe he’s just not a killer. He’s got great upside because he’s still thin. In three years he’s not going to look at all like he looks today.”

Mohamed Bamba, 7-foot freshman center, Texas. “There may never be another human being/basketball player like him physically. He’s going to be able to make shots eventually. I don’t think he has a crazy work ethic, but obviously he’s a super smart kid. Look at Rudy Gobert – he couldn’t shoot like Bamba at this age. At least he can step out and shoot a 15-footer. Defensively he’s going to be a game-changer from the get-go. The concerns I have are just his motor, his durability, his toughness. He has other interests. Is he passionate about the game? It’s not about his talent. It’s about his willingness to play 82 games night after night.”

Wendell Carter Jr., 6-10 freshman forward, Duke. “He’s really good. I think he could be Al Horford, someone who does a little of everything. He’s big, he’s physical, he can make 3s, he can pass, you can play through him on the block. The only question is defending in pick-and-roll and defending in space. I don’t think he has great feet for that. He needs to continue to stretch that ball. If he can shoot from 3 in the NBA, that would make him a hell of a player. You’ll see more of his game now that he’s out of Duke. He was kind of the third option behind Grayson [Allen] and [Marvin] Bagley.”

Thank you for sharing -- anything on Trae Young?

[thewraith]

If the Bulls take WCJ at 7, it will provide a nice tasty treat for all the FO haters the chew on over the summer. But my deep belief is that it won't be long before that crowd will settle down substantially once they start watching him play. Then they will start cheering when some of the other, more highly touted players start to fall flat.

It's really this simple. If you feel like the Bulls need to go with a good player that is going to be a positive contributor towards this rebuild, then you will likely be fine with WCJ. However, if you feel like the Bulls need to go for the long ball even if it means looking like a fool for going down swinging, then you will likely hate a WCJ pick.

I don't think there is anything wrong with taking Trae young as a high upside pick because he brings a quality that will make him serviceable at a minimum in this league. He can shoot. But I question his fit on this team. I have cooled on MPJ A LOT. And it's not just the back thing. I am starting to question his ability to play at a high level against the most elite in the sport. To me, that's not just taking a HR hack. It's similar to blindfolding yourself, not knowing the pitcher, and then going and just foolishly swinging hoping to connect. Nothing smart or strategic about that. So at our slot, that pretty much leaves us with Bamba (possibly), WCJ and Mikal Bridges. I'd rather go big at 7 because they will all be gone later in the draft. I believe that you can use 22 and a player to trade up if you want to get your 3. So in that sense, I'm good with Bamba (higher upside than WCJ) or WCJ (higher floor than Bamba).

Honestly we as a fanbase need to stop the whole he don't with regards to Young or any other player on this team. This team isn't good enough to talk about fit on this team. They stink and even if healthy all season in a non tanking season I think at best they are fighting for a playoff position to mess up our chances to get a potential shot at a top draft pick. I can't worry about fit when this team is 1rd playoff exit at best waiting to happen. Once we are a contender like we were during the good Rose years then worry about fit but now everybody position even Lauri for me can be replaced.

I think what you are saying is true in theory. However, there is something to be said about the position that we are putting players in as an organization. If they want to draft Young, have at it. I think he has the tools to be GREAT player. But I don't see that materializing as long as Dunn is here. So if we take Young, think about packaging 22 and Dunn for another player of need/higher upside.

If Young proves to be better like Steph with Monta then you do something otherwise its no need to trade him right away or at all if Dunn can start making jumpers more consistently. I'm just not avoiding Young because of some avg at best pg. I'm just surprised so many have forgot the Steph Warriors thing and how y'all would've been the same ones back then saying we don't need Steph we have Monta. I don't know if Young will be Steph I'm saying the similar situations coming into the league.