GO CRAZY PAT! - Patrick Williams thread p2

[madvillian]

I am happy to see him make a few shots, and he has tools and physical attributes to be very good, but we won't really know if he has the work ethic to become great for a couple years. After Tyrus, Doug and Lauri, I have become a bit hesitant to crown an rookie as likely becoming a star.

If he improves as much as this offseason the sky is the limit. He's basically 19.5 years old and is already a competent wing handler and is banging grown ass Mason Plumlee out of the way for dunks and And 1s.

What are his weaknesses? Consistency and defensive positioning. Like most rookies.

He's so impressive. The dunk on Plumlee was a wow moment. Plumdog just bounced off him and wanted nothing to do with that facial. Pat didn't even look like he jumped he just raised his long ass arm up there and threw down.

[sco]

I am happy to see him make a few shots, and he has tools and physical attributes to be very good, but we won't really know if he has the work ethic to become great for a couple years. After Tyrus, Doug and Lauri, I have become a bit hesitant to crown an rookie as likely becoming a star.

If he improves as much as this offseason the sky is the limit. He's basically 19.5 years old and is already a competent wing handler and is banging grown ass Mason Plumlee out of the way for dunks and And 1s.

What are his weaknesses? Consistency and defensive positioning. Like most rookies.

He's so impressive. The dunk on Plumlee was a wow moment. Plumdog just bounced off him and wanted nothing to do with that facial. Pat didn't even look like he jumped he just raised his long ass arm up there and threw down.

Yeah, it was nice, but Plumlee isn't much of a rim protector and he's gotten stuffed and called for charging several times too. I think it's just to easy to confuse potential and stardom. I'm sticking with "believe it when I see it" - blame Lauri. I said the same stuff with him, and it still hurts.

[Bulliever2020]

All the tools are there for Patrick. These next 2 offseasons will be the most important of his career. I expect to see a vastly improved player at the start of seasons 2 and 3 for him. Which is a scary thought.

[Almost Retired]

The "PAW" at 21 years old is going to be a beast. Home run draft pick none of us saw coming where we drafted him. Kudos to AK and the rest of the organization.

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[Jcool0]

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[MrSparkle]

I need TPA out of my life. Worst stat pushed.

Completely seems to disregard lineup combinations, defensive liabilities, defensive anchors for bad lineups. The formula is garbage.

It would have us believe Jokic is the most dominant player in the NBA this year, and it’s simply not true. He’s playing amazing offensive basketball, but his team is 15-13.

[ZOMG]

I need TPA out of my life. Worst stat pushed.

Completely seems to disregard lineup combinations, defensive liabilities, defensive anchors for bad lineups. The formula is garbage.

It would have us believe Jokic is the most dominant player in the NBA this year, and it’s simply not true. He’s playing amazing offensive basketball, but his team is 15-13.

That's OK! You don't have to like it.

I agree that there must be something wrong with a stat that says Zach LaVine is BY FAR the most effective Bulls player this season...

[DuckIII]

I don’t understand that stat chart, but if it means “this is how good Willy will be in his 4th NBA season at age 23” then I don’t trust it.

[Dez]

I need TPA out of my life. Worst stat pushed.

Completely seems to disregard lineup combinations, defensive liabilities, defensive anchors for bad lineups. The formula is garbage.

It would have us believe Jokic is the most dominant player in the NBA this year, and it’s simply not true. He’s playing amazing offensive basketball, but his team is 15-13.

That's OK! You don't have to like it.

I agree that there must be something wrong with a stat that says Zach LaVine is BY FAR the most effective Bulls player this season...

You just have to watch games without an agenda to realize this.

[Jcool0]

I need TPA out of my life. Worst stat pushed.

Completely seems to disregard lineup combinations, defensive liabilities, defensive anchors for bad lineups. The formula is garbage.

It would have us believe Jokic is the most dominant player in the NBA this year, and it’s simply not true. He’s playing amazing offensive basketball, but his team is 15-13.

That's OK! You don't have to like it.

I agree that there must be something wrong with a stat that says Zach LaVine is BY FAR the most effective Bulls player this season...

It also says Jokic is WAY better than anyone in the league & Lavine is better than KD. And Vucevic is a top 10 player.

[ZOMG]

I need TPA out of my life. Worst stat pushed.

Completely seems to disregard lineup combinations, defensive liabilities, defensive anchors for bad lineups. The formula is garbage.

It would have us believe Jokic is the most dominant player in the NBA this year, and it’s simply not true. He’s playing amazing offensive basketball, but his team is 15-13.

That's OK! You don't have to like it.

I agree that there must be something wrong with a stat that says Zach LaVine is BY FAR the most effective Bulls player this season...

It also says Jokic is WAY better than anyone in the league & Lavine is better than KD. And Vucevic is a top 10 player.

No, it doesn't really say any of those things

[Jcool0]

That's OK! You don't have to like it.

I agree that there must be something wrong with a stat that says Zach LaVine is BY FAR the most effective Bulls player this season...

It also says Jokic is WAY better than anyone in the league & Lavine is better than KD. And Vucevic is a top 10 player.

No, it doesn't really say any of those things

Jokic: 232.95 TPA which is #1 in the NBA.... #2 Steph Curry at 158.85.... So yes it kind of does say that.

[ZOMG]

I need TPA out of my life. Worst stat pushed.

Completely seems to disregard lineup combinations, defensive liabilities, defensive anchors for bad lineups. The formula is garbage.

It would have us believe Jokic is the most dominant player in the NBA this year, and it’s simply not true. He’s playing amazing offensive basketball, but his team is 15-13.

That's OK! You don't have to like it.

I agree that there must be something wrong with a stat that says Zach LaVine is BY FAR the most effective Bulls player this season...

You just have to watch games without an agenda to realize this.

I was joking. Of course I agree that Zach has been great. I'm not stupid. TPA says that too, and it also says that P-Will has played a lot of minutes for a rookie but hasn't been very good/effective (hey, if he had, he'd be a ROY candidate - everyone agrees that he's not anywhere close to that discussion).

All of these things can be true simultaneously.

[Chi town]

I am happy to see him make a few shots, and he has tools and physical attributes to be very good, but we won't really know if he has the work ethic to become great for a couple years. After Tyrus, Doug and Lauri, I have become a bit hesitant to crown an rookie as likely becoming a star.

If he improves as much as this offseason the sky is the limit. He's basically 19.5 years old and is already a competent wing handler and is banging grown ass Mason Plumlee out of the way for dunks and And 1s.

What are his weaknesses? Consistency and defensive positioning. Like most rookies.

He's so impressive. The dunk on Plumlee was a wow moment. Plumdog just bounced off him and wanted nothing to do with that facial. Pat didn't even look like he jumped he just raised his long ass arm up there and threw down.

This.

If PaW just stops traveling... shoot when open drive when you are closed on... he becomes much more effective.

[MrSparkle]

I need TPA out of my life. Worst stat pushed.

Completely seems to disregard lineup combinations, defensive liabilities, defensive anchors for bad lineups. The formula is garbage.

It would have us believe Jokic is the most dominant player in the NBA this year, and it’s simply not true. He’s playing amazing offensive basketball, but his team is 15-13.

That's OK! You don't have to like it.

I agree that there must be something wrong with a stat that says Zach LaVine is BY FAR the most effective Bulls player this season...

When 90% of the players on the chart comprise a big blob in the center, as DNP/low-minute bench projects, and you have a handful of guys outside of that blob who actually play huge, consistent minutes on their half-competitive teams, then the formula is broke! Some of these guys like Poku were transferred to G-League.

I just don't understand the point of it. At least disqualify players under a certain number of minutes, so that there isn't a post-Cubism art piece of 50 players' heads in the center of the chart.

I realize Okoro's offense has fallen off a cliff and the Cavs are back to tumbling like everyone expected, but he's guarding the best player ever night and playing with the smallest backcourt and slowest front court in the league. It's not like he and Edwards are the worst performing players in the draft, as this chart would have you believe.

[dc]

So far I think Williams looks very solid. Good showing so far for a 19 year old.

He'll be in the league for a long time. It's just a question of whether he can develop into a top 2-3 player on a contending team or if he's just a Harrison Barnes gonna be in the league just because he's a 6'7"-6'8" good athlete type guy. I'm a non-Bulls fan who liked this pick and I think he can be a the former.

Even if he's not Kawhi, I think he can be an athletic guy who can guard both F spots, shoot well from 3 and mid-range and throw in a little bit of his own shot creation here and there. Maybe not a headline grabbing type player, but an 80% of Kawhi type player from a draft that nobody in the league was excited about is pretty good.

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[JimmyButler21]

The "PAW" at 21 years old is going to be a beast. Home run draft pick none of us saw coming where we drafted him. Kudos to AK and the rest of the organization.

"Home run pick" is a little ridiculous. I don't mind Williams and think he can be at least a solid rotation player but nothing I've seen so far screams that this is some amazing pick. And I mean no disrespect to Williams, I'm well aware how young he is and that this offseason was the weirdest we've ever seen. Remember, expectations have to be higher considering he was the #4 overall pick. A home run pick in that spot has to be multiple-time All Star, and I really don't see it. But it seems like it could end up being a good pick at least, which is better than I thought on draft day. But that will be judged years from now.