NBA Trade Thread # 3

[The Force.]

Okay sorry y'all I was really high when I proposed that trade last night. How about this?

LaVine
Thad
/
Dillon Brooks
Brandon Clarke
Dieng
2021 FRP (unprotected)
2023 FRP (unprotected)

[Kukoc-Lauri]

Three team trade
Clippers in Ricky Rubio and Thaddeus Young, out Ivica Zubac and Patrick Beverly.
Bulls in Ivica Zubac and Jarett Culver, Bulls out Thaddeus Young, Wendell Carter and Chandler Hutchinson.
Twolwes in Patrick Beverly, Wendell Carter and Chandler Hutchinson, out Ricky Rubio and Jarett Culver.
Clippers get real pg who could set them in playoffs and versitale experience point powerforward and center when playing small ball five.
Minesotta improves horrific defense with above average defenders and players who dont need ball in offense with Kat and Dlo.
Bulls get true center, rim protector and finisher who still got much more potential to shine and combo athlethic guard, who could became all defensive guard and fits well with Lavine and White.

[sco]

Three team trade
Clippers in Ricky Rubio and Thaddeus Young, out Ivica Zubac and Patrick Beverly.
Bulls in Ivica Zubac and Jarett Culver, Bulls out Thaddeus Young, Wendell Carter and Chandler Hutchinson.
Twolwes in Patrick Beverly, Wendell Carter and Chandler Hutchinson, out Ricky Rubio and Jarett Culver.
Clippers get real pg who could set them in playoffs and versitale experience point powerforward and center when playing small ball five.
Minesotta improves horrific defense with above average defenders and players who dont need ball in offense with Kat and Dlo.
Bulls get true center, rim protector and finisher who still got much more potential to shine and combo athlethic guard, who could became all defensive guard and fits well with Lavine and White.

Zubac and Culver feels like an inadequate return for Carter/Thad. The deal I'd like to do is Sato/Hutch for Rubio. Would throw in Val or a couple of 2nds if they include Culver.

[kodo]

I think Thad is going to be an inefficient trade asset, because he means a ton to Billy and the Bulls but probably not so much to most teams, like he was for Chicago last year.

The Bulls use him as a playmaking center, who sets screens, rolls to the rim, catches the pass from Zach and then makes a play. Basically he's our poor man's Jokic. Since Wendell went down he's been both our leading playmaker (6 apg) and leading +/- player.

On almost every other team he's a poor shooting stretch 4 (25% from 3). Most teams will not be giving primary playmaking duties to Thad over their PG or star player.

And while a lot of trades don't care about wins this season, I don't think that's Michael or AK's mindset. If Reinsdorf was OK with continuing to be crappy, he not just keep Foreman & Boylen. What easier, cheaper way to be bad? Why spend a ton of money on AK, ton of money on ME, ton of money on a much larger staff, and a ton of money on Donvoan if he just wanted to lose games & tank.

[Vickveto]

I agree a extra pick or two probably needs to be added
But I wish more people he will realize we are stuck in mediocrity and we have to do something EXTREME to get out of it. Or hope for a miracle pick in the back of the lottery to be the next Giannis or Donovan Mitchell. There may not be a player of that caliber getting picked around that range for another decade or so...our past failed tanks have killed this franchise.

The Bulls aren’t ‘stuck in mediocrity’. They have the youngest starting line up in the NBA and are only 2 games out of the playoffs with two starters out. Give Billy Donovan some time to develop the talent we have.

Zach LaVine is one of the top young emerging all-stars in the game and the Bulls will have a ton of cap space available.

I actually think the Bulls are in a much better position than you think. Guys like LeBron, Harden, Curry, Westbrook, etc are all approaching their mid 30s, which is when a significant decline usually begins. A new generation of players will be taking over the league in the next couple years. Be patient and hopefully AK can add some difference makers in FA or via trade.

Yeah. League changes drastically every 1-2 years. People put too much emotional baggage on the lows and highs.

Fact is a (primarily) 19-25 yo roster never has and never will win something significant. It is virtually a Final Four squad in disguise. Your run-of-mill veterans Barton, Temple and Thad Young can make work out of #1 prospects like Edwards or Zion.

Brandon Ingram looked like garbage on stilts his first 2-3 seasons. That’s why he was hardly enough in the AD trade; Lakers had to trade their entire farm. Ainge was getting crapped on for holding Brown and Tatum past their first 1-2 years, as they "regressed" (largely fan fiction - the stakes just got higher for the sophomores).

The cap is significantly cleaner after Felicio and the G-League junk expires, along with injury prone Otto. The roster is more mature in 1-2 years. There will be some tweaks.

Of course I want a superstar draft as much as the next guy. But we’re gonna see, it’s a big dilemma to tank intentionally - you tank player value and development on a low % gamble.

We’re not looking like a homerun, but it’s a bit of a win-win. Due to injuries to fluff players (imo) like Otto and Lauri, we either win/compete with the “right guys” (development pieces) or we lose and maintain a top-4 lottery chance.

Doubling down - PW and Coby are going to be good players. Zach has landed on the moon. I never expected any of these guys to become as good as Lebron or Durant, but you also have to remember that these guys ONLY won chips with super teams. Otherwise, smart team building, player development with sprinkles of great luck are what you need. And anybody with a brain will tell you that relying solely on 'great luck' is probably going to fail.. especially since Jokic, Draymond, Siakam, Butler, Bam, Kawhi, Giannis and countless others have proven that you can get lucky without tanking.

Main problem i had with the GarPax build was considering one-way bigs with no playmaking/iso-scoring skills as core pieces. With WCJ/Lauri kind of out of the picture, in the sense that everyone realizes they aren't "top-10 pick" quality, the 'core' is actually pretty solid... Considering we have another FRP (mid at worst, top-4 at best) coming, and a clean cap.

Zach Lavine is not a all star he is not better than brown who is a much better defender he’s not better than Beal or harden.
Coby white isn’t a pg he isn’t a playmaker he FOLDS when faced with ball pressure calling him a average to defender is being generous
Lauri and Wendell are injury prone they also can’t play defense very well we traded defense for offense. The only player in our starting lineup who has the capacity to be an above average defender is our rookie it’s very sad. This is not a championship core. We need a OVERHAUL I want to compete for rings you seem like a type of person just to be happy to be here. It’s not about how young they are it’s about what their projected to be.

[Jvaughn]

With Atlanta listening to Collins offers, would anyone be interested in Lauri+ pick for Collins.

I don't know about the pick part, but I like Collins.

Collins wants a MAX deal and I don't think he is worth it.

Yeah, that payday is concerning, but I'd rather pay it to him over Lauri. His ceiling seems to be much less limited than Lauri.

[WindyCityBorn]

With Atlanta listening to Collins offers, would anyone be interested in Lauri+ pick for Collins.

Our likely lottery pick? No. I rather just keep Lauri. The Hawks are not sold on Collins which is why he is available.

[gobullschi]

I don't know about the pick part, but I like Collins.

Collins wants a MAX deal and I don't think he is worth it.

Yeah, that payday is concerning, but I'd rather pay it to him over Lauri. His ceiling seems to be much less limited than Lauri.

Based on what?

[WindyCityBorn]

The Bulls aren’t ‘stuck in mediocrity’. They have the youngest starting line up in the NBA and are only 2 games out of the playoffs with two starters out. Give Billy Donovan some time to develop the talent we have.

Zach LaVine is one of the top young emerging all-stars in the game and the Bulls will have a ton of cap space available.

I actually think the Bulls are in a much better position than you think. Guys like LeBron, Harden, Curry, Westbrook, etc are all approaching their mid 30s, which is when a significant decline usually begins. A new generation of players will be taking over the league in the next couple years. Be patient and hopefully AK can add some difference makers in FA or via trade.

Yeah. League changes drastically every 1-2 years. People put too much emotional baggage on the lows and highs.

Fact is a (primarily) 19-25 yo roster never has and never will win something significant. It is virtually a Final Four squad in disguise. Your run-of-mill veterans Barton, Temple and Thad Young can make work out of #1 prospects like Edwards or Zion.

Brandon Ingram looked like garbage on stilts his first 2-3 seasons. That’s why he was hardly enough in the AD trade; Lakers had to trade their entire farm. Ainge was getting crapped on for holding Brown and Tatum past their first 1-2 years, as they "regressed" (largely fan fiction - the stakes just got higher for the sophomores).

The cap is significantly cleaner after Felicio and the G-League junk expires, along with injury prone Otto. The roster is more mature in 1-2 years. There will be some tweaks.

Of course I want a superstar draft as much as the next guy. But we’re gonna see, it’s a big dilemma to tank intentionally - you tank player value and development on a low % gamble.

We’re not looking like a homerun, but it’s a bit of a win-win. Due to injuries to fluff players (imo) like Otto and Lauri, we either win/compete with the “right guys” (development pieces) or we lose and maintain a top-4 lottery chance.

Doubling down - PW and Coby are going to be good players. Zach has landed on the moon. I never expected any of these guys to become as good as Lebron or Durant, but you also have to remember that these guys ONLY won chips with super teams. Otherwise, smart team building, player development with sprinkles of great luck are what you need. And anybody with a brain will tell you that relying solely on 'great luck' is probably going to fail.. especially since Jokic, Draymond, Siakam, Butler, Bam, Kawhi, Giannis and countless others have proven that you can get lucky without tanking.

Main problem i had with the GarPax build was considering one-way bigs with no playmaking/iso-scoring skills as core pieces. With WCJ/Lauri kind of out of the picture, in the sense that everyone realizes they aren't "top-10 pick" quality, the 'core' is actually pretty solid... Considering we have another FRP (mid at worst, top-4 at best) coming, and a clean cap.

Zach Lavine is not a all star he is not better than brown who is a much better defender he’s not better than Beal or harden.
Coby white isn’t a pg he isn’t a playmaker he FOLDS when faced with ball pressure calling him a average to defender is being generous
Lauri and Wendell are injury prone they also can’t play defense very well we traded defense for offense. The only player in our starting lineup who has the capacity to be an above average defender is our rookie it’s very sad. This is not a championship core. We need a OVERHAUL I want to compete for rings you seem like a type of person just to be happy to be here. It’s not about how young they are it’s about what their projected to be.

LaVine is absolutely playing like an all-star. Whether he makes the team or not.

[ChettheJet]

On Bleacher Report there a story about One is the three players each team should be targeting in trades

I don't think they completely get it thinking the Bulls should be looking at Lonzo Ball, Patrick Beverley and Frank Ntlinka. Ball I can see for the short and long term it really depends on who NOP want in return. Beverly is hardly along term solution and he aces out Satoransky who has been working well with the other guys off the bench. Ntlinka, come on.

The player they most often suggest any other team look for from the Bulls is Markkanen. Otto Porter but how to balance his contract is the issue They of course leave out the little details like who any team would be willing to give up to get Lauri or Otto.

I'm for making a play for Collins, I'd like to look at getting Bamba, several SG's seem to be out there but what the Bulls need ahead of one of those is a PG. After they made so few moves prior to the draft and only really added Temple this off season I'd really like to see one substantial trade at the deadline to start to answer at least one question heading to 2021-22

[WindyCityBorn]

On Bleacher Report there a story about One is the three players each team should be targeting in trades

I don't think they completely get it thinking the Bulls should be looking at Lonzo Ball, Patrick Beverley and Frank Ntlinka. Ball I can see for the short and long term it really depends on who NOP want in return. Beverly is hardly along term solution and he aces out Satoransky who has been working well with the other guys off the bench. Ntlinka, come on.

The player they most often suggest any other team look for from the Bulls is Markkanen. Otto Porter but how to balance his contract is the issue They of course leave out the little details like who any team would be willing to give up to get Lauri or Otto.

I'm for making a play for Collins, I'd like to look at getting Bamba, several SG's seem to be out there but what the Bulls need ahead of one of those is a PG. After they made so few moves prior to the draft and only really added Temple this off season I'd really like to see one substantial trade at the deadline to start to answer at least one question heading to 2021-22

Bleacher Report is the equivalent to what we write on here. Maybe less relevant as we at least follow our team closely.

[sco]

Fixated on Grant this week:

Lauri/Coby/Top 5 protected 2022 1st for Grant

[Vickveto]

Yep, add about 3 more picks and pick swaps along with taking Lauri out of the deal then we can talk about taking on Westbrook's contract and ball stopping style of play.

I agree a extra pick or two probably needs to be added
But I wish more people he will realize we are stuck in mediocrity and we have to do something EXTREME to get out of it. Or hope for a miracle pick in the back of the lottery to be the next Giannis or Donovan Mitchell. There may not be a player of that caliber getting picked around that range for another decade or so...our past failed tanks have killed this franchise.

The Bulls aren’t ‘stuck in mediocrity’. They have the youngest starting line up in the NBA and are only 2 games out of the playoffs with two starters out. Give Billy Donovan some time to develop the talent we have.

Zach LaVine is one of the top young emerging all-stars in the game and the Bulls will have a ton of cap space available.

I actually think the Bulls are in a much better position than you think. Guys like LeBron, Harden, Curry, Westbrook, etc are all approaching their mid 30s, which is when a significant decline usually begins. A new generation of players will be taking over the league in the next couple years. Be patient and hopefully AK can add some difference makers in FA or via trade.

Exactly, a new generation of players will take over the league but it won’t be ours (maybe Williams who I like a lot)
Zach Lavine is not a legitimate all star stop it. he is not better than James Harden he’s not better than Bradley Beal he is not better than Jaylen Brown who is a two-way player and on a playoff team and only averaging two point less then him lol he is not a top five shooting guard in the league and some of the players I mentioned are younger than him. So our best player isnt a legitimate All-Star but we’re in good shape? Lauri are Wendell are injury prone and the chances they keep coming back the same player are getting slimer and we don’t need them to come back and be the same player we need them to be better players which leads me to my next point Lauri Wendell Coby white do not have the defensive ability Billy Donovan is a excellent coach but they don’t have the ability it isn’t something that’s coachable. We need two superstars or three all stars or a rare anomaly a super defensive team (pistons, heat) to compete we don’t even have a legitimate all star lol

[Jvaughn]

With Atlanta listening to Collins offers, would anyone be interested in Lauri+ pick for Collins.

Our likely lottery pick? No. I rather just keep Lauri. The Hawks are not sold on Collins which is why he is available.

Oh hell no. Not the lottery one for this year. Was thinking future pick.

[WindyCityBorn]

I agree a extra pick or two probably needs to be added
But I wish more people he will realize we are stuck in mediocrity and we have to do something EXTREME to get out of it. Or hope for a miracle pick in the back of the lottery to be the next Giannis or Donovan Mitchell. There may not be a player of that caliber getting picked around that range for another decade or so...our past failed tanks have killed this franchise.

The Bulls aren’t ‘stuck in mediocrity’. They have the youngest starting line up in the NBA and are only 2 games out of the playoffs with two starters out. Give Billy Donovan some time to develop the talent we have.

Zach LaVine is one of the top young emerging all-stars in the game and the Bulls will have a ton of cap space available.

I actually think the Bulls are in a much better position than you think. Guys like LeBron, Harden, Curry, Westbrook, etc are all approaching their mid 30s, which is when a significant decline usually begins. A new generation of players will be taking over the league in the next couple years. Be patient and hopefully AK can add some difference makers in FA or via trade.

Exactly, a new generation of players will take over the league but it won’t be ours (maybe Williams who I like a lot)
Zach Lavine is not a legitimate all star stop it. he is not better than James Harden he’s not better than Bradley Beal he is not better than Jaylen Brown who is a two-way player and on a playoff team and only averaging two point less then him lol he is not a top five shooting guard in the league and some of the players I mentioned are younger than him. So our best player isnt a legitimate All-Star but we’re in good shape? Lauri are Wendell are injury prone and the chances they keep coming back the same player are getting slimer and we don’t need them to come back and be the same player we need them to be better players which leads me to my next point Lauri Wendell Coby white do not have the defensive ability Billy Donovan is a excellent coach but they don’t have the ability it isn’t something that’s coachable. We need two superstars or three all stars or a rare anomaly a super defensive team (pistons, heat) to compete we don’t even have a legitimate all star lol

How are you gonna tell someone to stop when your opinion is the one with less backing? Zach is in fact playing at an all-star level. Your refusal to acknowledge that doesn’t make it false. Repeating it isn’t going to change people minds.

28/5/5 42% from 3. 59% on 2s. TS% well over 60%. You can’t cite defense as dealbreaker when Harden and Beal are both bad defenders too going by the stats you would likely quote. The only thing keeping Zach from being a guaranteed all-star is the bad team he is surrounded by. Which got Beal last year too.

[Vickveto]

Fixated on Grant this week:

Lauri/Coby/Top 5 protected 2022 1st for Grant

I would love that deal but I think the Pistons want cap Space that’s the reason they did the D Rose trade they have a new GM and only 8 million to play with next year it’s going to be hard for him to implement his plans without it. We may even be able to keep our pick

[Vickveto]

The Bulls aren’t ‘stuck in mediocrity’. They have the youngest starting line up in the NBA and are only 2 games out of the playoffs with two starters out. Give Billy Donovan some time to develop the talent we have.

Zach LaVine is one of the top young emerging all-stars in the game and the Bulls will have a ton of cap space available.

I actually think the Bulls are in a much better position than you think. Guys like LeBron, Harden, Curry, Westbrook, etc are all approaching their mid 30s, which is when a significant decline usually begins. A new generation of players will be taking over the league in the next couple years. Be patient and hopefully AK can add some difference makers in FA or via trade.

Exactly, a new generation of players will take over the league but it won’t be ours (maybe Williams who I like a lot)
Zach Lavine is not a legitimate all star stop it. he is not better than James Harden he’s not better than Bradley Beal he is not better than Jaylen Brown who is a two-way player and on a playoff team and only averaging two point less then him lol he is not a top five shooting guard in the league and some of the players I mentioned are younger than him. So our best player isnt a legitimate All-Star but we’re in good shape? Lauri are Wendell are injury prone and the chances they keep coming back the same player are getting slimer and we don’t need them to come back and be the same player we need them to be better players which leads me to my next point Lauri Wendell Coby white do not have the defensive ability Billy Donovan is a excellent coach but they don’t have the ability it isn’t something that’s coachable. We need two superstars or three all stars or a rare anomaly a super defensive team (pistons, heat) to compete we don’t even have a legitimate all star lol

How are you gonna tell someone to stop when your opinion is the one with less backing? Zach is in fact playing at an all-star level. Your refusal to acknowledge that doesn’t make it false. Repeating it isn’t going to change people minds.

28/5/5 42% from 3. 59% on 2s. TS% well over 60%. You can’t cite defense as dealbreaker when Harden and Beal are both bad defenders too going by the stats you would likely quote.

No the bar has been set. I could name three more shooting guards in the Western Conference that every GM will take before Zach Lavine. In the modern NBA he slightly below the cut. It is what it is you need to accept that.
I like Zach Lavine a lot let’s get that straight but I believe he needs to be the third best player on the type of team it takes to really compete

[WindyCityBorn]

Exactly, a new generation of players will take over the league but it won’t be ours (maybe Williams who I like a lot)
Zach Lavine is not a legitimate all star stop it. he is not better than James Harden he’s not better than Bradley Beal he is not better than Jaylen Brown who is a two-way player and on a playoff team and only averaging two point less then him lol he is not a top five shooting guard in the league and some of the players I mentioned are younger than him. So our best player isnt a legitimate All-Star but we’re in good shape? Lauri are Wendell are injury prone and the chances they keep coming back the same player are getting slimer and we don’t need them to come back and be the same player we need them to be better players which leads me to my next point Lauri Wendell Coby white do not have the defensive ability Billy Donovan is a excellent coach but they don’t have the ability it isn’t something that’s coachable. We need two superstars or three all stars or a rare anomaly a super defensive team (pistons, heat) to compete we don’t even have a legitimate all star lol

How are you gonna tell someone to stop when your opinion is the one with less backing? Zach is in fact playing at an all-star level. Your refusal to acknowledge that doesn’t make it false. Repeating it isn’t going to change people minds.

28/5/5 42% from 3. 59% on 2s. TS% well over 60%. You can’t cite defense as dealbreaker when Harden and Beal are both bad defenders too going by the stats you would likely quote.

No the bar has been set. I could name three more shooting guards in the Western Conference that every GM will take before Zach Lavine. In the modern NBA he slightly below the cut. It is what it is you need to accept that.
I like Zach Lavine a lot let’s get that straight but I believe he needs to be the third best player on the type of team it takes to really compete

You have no idea what you are talking about. His peers like Beal sure as Hell think he is all-star caliber. Even the analysts that think he won’t make it because of our record think he deserves it. You are in the minority now.

And since winning is being the 3rd best player on serious championship contender a bad thing? That is big improvement on the 6th man crap we had to read before. Coming up even in doubters minds!

[Kukoc-Lauri]

Exactly, a new generation of players will take over the league but it won’t be ours (maybe Williams who I like a lot)
Zach Lavine is not a legitimate all star stop it. he is not better than James Harden he’s not better than Bradley Beal he is not better than Jaylen Brown who is a two-way player and on a playoff team and only averaging two point less then him lol he is not a top five shooting guard in the league and some of the players I mentioned are younger than him. So our best player isnt a legitimate All-Star but we’re in good shape? Lauri are Wendell are injury prone and the chances they keep coming back the same player are getting slimer and we don’t need them to come back and be the same player we need them to be better players which leads me to my next point Lauri Wendell Coby white do not have the defensive ability Billy Donovan is a excellent coach but they don’t have the ability it isn’t something that’s coachable. We need two superstars or three all stars or a rare anomaly a super defensive team (pistons, heat) to compete we don’t even have a legitimate all star lol

How are you gonna tell someone to stop when your opinion is the one with less backing? Zach is in fact playing at an all-star level. Your refusal to acknowledge that doesn’t make it false. Repeating it isn’t going to change people minds.

28/5/5 42% from 3. 59% on 2s. TS% well over 60%. You can’t cite defense as dealbreaker when Harden and Beal are both bad defenders too going by the stats you would likely quote.

No the bar has been set. I could name three more shooting guards in the Western Conference that every GM will take before Zach Lavine. In the modern NBA he slightly below the cut. It is what it is you need to accept that.
I like Zach Lavine a lot let’s get that straight but I believe he needs to be the third best player on the type of team it takes to really compete

i agree with that description for Lavine. Monta Ellis,Ricky Davis all had stats but they are not impactful as real all star players. Lavine is fun player but not an all star level even if selected. Teague,Korver,Magloire,Kaman,Gatling made all star game but they arent real all stars. Real all star types are Butler, Beal, Brown,Oladipo,George.

[PrimzyBulls81]

Okay sorry y'all I was really high when I proposed that trade last night. How about this?

LaVine
Thad
/
Dillon Brooks
Brandon Clarke
Dieng
2021 FRP (unprotected)
2023 FRP (unprotected)

get back to the weed land.. Noooo