Official: DeRozan! Player of the Week p69

[BahamaBull]

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[Grodoboldo]

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Its in your hands AK. Be aggressive!

This is all leaking from DDs camp, obviously. He wants to get PAID, or else he's going back home and playing in LA (luckily not with bronbron).

[Dominator83]

DD looks good on paper, but not sure about the fit here. To steal from another poster, someone like Larry Nance Jr would be a better fit with the starting lineup.

But nonetheless, I much prefer this F.O. that's operating with ruthless aggression Kenny Williams style, as opposed to Gar/Pax.

[Grodoboldo]

DD looks good on paper, but not sure about the fit here. To steal from another poster, someone like Larry Nance Jr would be a better fit with the starting lineup.

But nonetheless, I much prefer this F.O. that's operating with ruthless aggression Kenny Williams style, as opposed to Gar/Pax.

As much as I like Nance, Cleveland probably has no interest in any of our assets. I bet he does get traded this year, but for picks.

[chefo]

DD makes sense if you keep Lauri around and invert the O for some meaningful portion of the game. Dude's a beast of a wing in the low post / mid range, and even more so driving. You need bigs that can pull their defender out of the lane for him to do that, ideally--Vuc is one, Lauri would be perfect for that scheme as the other big next to him.

Thad would jam the lane, same with Pat because teams will just Dunn him all game, if he's on the floor with DD, Vuc and Zach. Hence, for the Bulls the S&T that makes most sense is Thad + something () for DD at 20ish per. DD probably has a couple of really good years left in him where you still have to put a really good defender on him or he'll torch you.

P.S.
A lineup of:

Ball
Zach
DD
Lauri (skinnier and more sprightly)
Vuc

Is a very tall, athletic and well-shooting group. Boarding won't be a problem, D will be, but that's a TON of firepower on the floor for Ball to swing the ball around to.

[d boy gentleman]

This is all leaking from DDs camp, obviously. He wants to get PAID, or else he's going back home and playing in LA (luckily not with bronbron).

Regardless, both the Clippers and Lakers have no cap room to sign him and would only have the vet minimum to offer him. He would be turning down 3 years and a possible 60 million for the chance to play home for about 1.7 million

[Grodoboldo]

This is all leaking from DDs camp, obviously. He wants to get PAID, or else he's going back home and playing in LA (luckily not with bronbron).

Regardless, both the Clippers and Lakers have no cap room to sign him and would only have the vet minimum to offer him. He would be turning down 3 years and a possible 60 million for the chance to play home for about 1.7 million

My guess is that we offered a 3yr/60 deal with the last year being a team option (remember, that's the year Vuc expires), and he probably wants the 3rd year to be guaranteed.

[nomorezorro]

clippers have the taxpayer mle, but yeah i'll believe derozan takes a deal starting at $5.5 million a year when i see it

i guess he could go for a one year contract and hope the market is more robust next year, but still...that's a lotta money to forego

[Ctownbulls]

This is DeRozan's last chance to be a contributor on a contending team. I don't blame him for speaking with the Clippers.

[CaPiTanAK]

Be greedy and be the next Schroeder or Noel. His call.

I’m holding my offer still bet 20-23 mil per year with player option on the third year.

[D_GoLow]

Hearing Clippers feels deflating, I got excited there for a second.

[coldfish]

Let's talk fit.

First off, the bad. DD is not a great outside shooter. He also isn't a particularly good defender. He is on the wrong side of 30 and will be paid a lot. There are concerns here.

Now let's talk about what I think the Bulls are trying to be: IMO, the end goal is to be kind of like Denver with some tweaks. Vucevic plays the hub center role where he plays in the high post and drops to the low post. He moves around and is the primary pick setter. Around him, you have 4 perimeter players who cut off ball, take open shots on catch and shoot but mostly run pick and roll or attack off swing passes. Effectively, you should have 4 point forwards and a center.

On defense, they are trying to get to have bigger wing style, athletic players who can switch, help, etc.

DD checks off a lot of boxes here for what Chicago wants. Let go of the idea of traditional PG / SG / SF / PF roles and it makes a lot of sense. It also is why they haven't been too high on Wendell, Lauri, Gafford, etc. who couldn't fill any of the roles on offense.

[dougthonus]

Be greedy and be the next Schroeder or Noel. His call.

I’m holding my offer still bet 20-23 mil per year with player option on the third year.

He's made 176M in his career so far, he's hardly the next Schroder or Noel. He's been paid and is generationally wealthy. His choice is to chase more money or chase a better shot at a ring. This isn't a guy passing on a contract worth double or four times his career earnings to date if he chooses the ring. He's passing on a deal worth about 20% of his career earnings.

He probably knows he's not going to get a better shot to get paid if he doesn't take the money now, so it's just straight winning vs money IMO.

[FriedRise]

Here's another connection I wasn't aware of: DeRozan played at USC with Vooch back in 08-09.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/southern-california/2009.html

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Vooch + Eversley + money + years, there's a decent amount of appeal and connection to Chicago, but might still be hard to compete with warm weather + coming home + playing for a proven contender.

[D_GoLow]

Here's another connection I wasn't aware of: DeRozan played at USC with Vooch back in 08-09.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/southern-california/2009.html

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Vooch + Eversley + money + years, there's a decent amount of appeal and connection to Chicago, but might still be hard to compete with warm weather + coming home + playing for a proven contender.

2 things, 1.Chi is not LA, 2. We're not immediate title contenders

All that other stuff is nice but if he values being home and winning then we're out of favor.

[barn34]

Let's talk fit.

First off, the bad. DD is not a great outside shooter. He also isn't a particularly good defender. He is on the wrong side of 30 and will be paid a lot. There are concerns here.

Now let's talk about what I think the Bulls are trying to be: IMO, the end goal is to be kind of like Denver with some tweaks. Vucevic plays the hub center role where he plays in the high post and drops to the low post. He moves around and is the primary pick setter. Around him, you have 4 perimeter players who cut off ball, take open shots on catch and shoot but mostly run pick and roll or attack off swing passes. Effectively, you should have 4 point forwards and a center.

On defense, they are trying to get to have bigger wing style, athletic players who can switch, help, etc.

DD checks off a lot of boxes here for what Chicago wants. Let go of the idea of traditional PG / SG / SF / PF roles and it makes a lot of sense. It also is why they haven't been too high on Wendell, Lauri, Gafford, etc. who couldn't fill any of the roles on offense.

This. It honestly comes down to the deal terms for me. DDR on a deal that lines up with Vuc's timeline makes sense to me, but I think this is the one signing that's the most dependent on the terms for me. I'm hoping for a Danny Green or JJ Redick signing (unlikely as they've both got the full gambit of title contenders to pick from) to increase our shooting and the Birch rumors for backup center are also awesome. Don't know if this signing would impact either, but I think we need a bit more shooting and some defensive presence on the inside.

Also curious how DDR would potentially impact the on court development of PAW. He was already being too passive last year, we give him another 30+ vet to defer to, and we may not see his development trajectory at the level it could be just because he's wanting to be respectful and defer to the vet. That's just how PAW seems to be built. Off court, it could be great for him to have that vet to learn from though. Guess there's pros and cons on both sides in my head.

[d boy gentleman]

Hearing Clippers feels deflating, I got excited there for a second.

It is what it is. If he wants to play home that badly, more power to him. Kawhi probably won't play at all this year anyway...

[coldfish]

Let's talk fit.

First off, the bad. DD is not a great outside shooter. He also isn't a particularly good defender. He is on the wrong side of 30 and will be paid a lot. There are concerns here.

Now let's talk about what I think the Bulls are trying to be: IMO, the end goal is to be kind of like Denver with some tweaks. Vucevic plays the hub center role where he plays in the high post and drops to the low post. He moves around and is the primary pick setter. Around him, you have 4 perimeter players who cut off ball, take open shots on catch and shoot but mostly run pick and roll or attack off swing passes. Effectively, you should have 4 point forwards and a center.

On defense, they are trying to get to have bigger wing style, athletic players who can switch, help, etc.

DD checks off a lot of boxes here for what Chicago wants. Let go of the idea of traditional PG / SG / SF / PF roles and it makes a lot of sense. It also is why they haven't been too high on Wendell, Lauri, Gafford, etc. who couldn't fill any of the roles on offense.

Sorry to quote myself but I ask this: If DD falls through and I am right, who else is moderately available who could fit in this system? Is there a 6'8" wing player who can handle the ball that could be had for Lauri?

[kodo]

If Marc convinces Derozan to sign in Chicago instead of with Kawhi I'll be in awe.

This is why you hire a GM that's just a networker with the NBA agents instead of a scout/bean counter like Foreman.

[CaPiTanAK]

Let's talk fit.

First off, the bad. DD is not a great outside shooter. He also isn't a particularly good defender. He is on the wrong side of 30 and will be paid a lot. There are concerns here.

Now let's talk about what I think the Bulls are trying to be: IMO, the end goal is to be kind of like Denver with some tweaks. Vucevic plays the hub center role where he plays in the high post and drops to the low post. He moves around and is the primary pick setter. Around him, you have 4 perimeter players who cut off ball, take open shots on catch and shoot but mostly run pick and roll or attack off swing passes. Effectively, you should have 4 point forwards and a center.

On defense, they are trying to get to have bigger wing style, athletic players who can switch, help, etc.

DD checks off a lot of boxes here for what Chicago wants. Let go of the idea of traditional PG / SG / SF / PF roles and it makes a lot of sense. It also is why they haven't been too high on Wendell, Lauri, Gafford, etc. who couldn't fill any of the roles on offense.

Sorry to quote myself but I ask this: If DD falls through and I am right, who else is moderately available who could fit in this system? Is there a 6'8" wing player who can handle the ball that could be had for Lauri?

There are two players on this roster if they make the leap could be it. Troy Brown Jr or PWill.

But I like that AK isn’t praying on hope and bringing in talent if given the opportunity. Great players will rise to the top in the presence of competition. Meanwhile, busts will shrink their nuts.