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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospects 

Post#301 » by Chi town » Tue Dec 31, 2024 4:29 pm

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Jstock12 wrote:There's still the 38th pick.

Somehow I missed that. I was thinking it was protected. But it's not. Well well well. We getting star at 38. Nice!

Maybe Tomislav Ivisic can become the Jokic 2.0 ;)


Ivisic would be a great pick to roll the dice for future C. He’s not a strong defensive C but he does rim protect more than Vuc and he is very skilled on offense. Can act as that hub type C that Billy likes.

I’d prefer a rim running defensive C.
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Post#302 » by Muzbar » Tue Dec 31, 2024 9:32 pm

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Muzbar wrote:I've kept seeing places label Ace Bailey as 6'10", I was sceptical at first, but watching this latest highlight, he just looks so long!



I hope the Bulls get the chance to draft Ace, I think he's my number 1 for this draft.


Ace Bailey is probably my least favorite player that's being hyped so far.

32% 3P%

62% FT%

53% TS%

A negative assist to turnover ratio (0.7 assists vs 2.5 turnovers)

He's an inefficient black-hole.

I'd rather watch Talen Horton-Tucker

I agree he can be a bit of a black hole and the A/TO is a concern, however some of his scoring numbers are a bit skewed IMO. If you take out his 1 anomaly FT shooting game (1-8), he's shooting 78% from the line. So I'm not concerned about his FT%.

Ace is also shooting 47% from the field overall, that's pretty good IMO.

For the record, Cooper Flagg:

Fg%: 42%

3pt%: 25%

TS%: 50%

Yes, I'm aware Cooper is more defensive oriented but thought it was worth mentioned the projected top pick in the drafts offensive numbers.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospects 

Post#303 » by Repeat 3-peat » Tue Dec 31, 2024 10:00 pm

Ace is either going to be a good player, or just flat out terrible.

His BPM of 1.2 scares the hell out of me. Historically it's not a good sign for a freshman having a BPM below 3.0 in terms of future NBA success/stardom.

I've been keeping this saved since the pre-draft process last year. Good info.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospects 

Post#304 » by Donkedave » Wed Jan 1, 2025 11:32 am

Repeat 3-peat wrote:Ace is either going to be a good player, or just flat out terrible.

His BPM of 1.2 scares the hell out of me. Historically it's not a good sign for a freshman having a BPM below 3.0 in terms of future NBA success/stardom.

I've been keeping this saved since the pre-draft process last year. Good info.
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Post#305 » by Muzbar » Wed Jan 1, 2025 11:59 am

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Repeat 3-peat wrote:Ace is either going to be a good player, or just flat out terrible.

His BPM of 1.2 scares the hell out of me. Historically it's not a good sign for a freshman having a BPM below 3.0 in terms of future NBA success/stardom.

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Where you finding this BPM stats?

Tankathon has a bunch of stats under the player profiles.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospects 

Post#306 » by Donkedave » Wed Jan 1, 2025 12:03 pm

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Repeat 3-peat wrote:Ace is either going to be a good player, or just flat out terrible.

His BPM of 1.2 scares the hell out of me. Historically it's not a good sign for a freshman having a BPM below 3.0 in terms of future NBA success/stardom.

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Where you finding this BPM stats?

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Yeah ok, all I can find is top 10 for this season over on reference. If it was such a “important” stat it should be everywhere hey!
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospects 

Post#307 » by Jstock12 » Wed Jan 1, 2025 12:14 pm

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Where you finding this BPM stats?

Tankathon has a bunch of stats under the player profiles.


Yeah ok, all I can find is top 10 for this season over on reference. If it was such a “important” stat it should be everywhere hey!

You can look up individual players on college reference as well. Bailey: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/airious-bailey-1.html

To be fair though this is still a pretty small sample size. Bailey's BPM went up from 0.2 to 1.2 in the span of a couple games. Demin's BPM went from 10.2 to 8.6 after yesterday's stinker. When one game can swing the BPM by 1-2... It's difficult to fully trust it yet. I agree though, in Bailey's case it's worrying. But it's still possible it can rise to 5-6 by the end of the season.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospects 

Post#308 » by drosestruts » Thu Jan 2, 2025 2:39 pm

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Muzbar wrote:I've kept seeing places label Ace Bailey as 6'10", I was sceptical at first, but watching this latest highlight, he just looks so long!



I hope the Bulls get the chance to draft Ace, I think he's my number 1 for this draft.


Ace Bailey is probably my least favorite player that's being hyped so far.

32% 3P%

62% FT%

53% TS%

A negative assist to turnover ratio (0.7 assists vs 2.5 turnovers)

He's an inefficient black-hole.

I'd rather watch Talen Horton-Tucker

I agree he can be a bit of a black hole and the A/TO is a concern, however some of his scoring numbers are a bit skewed IMO. If you take out his 1 anomaly FT shooting game (1-8), he's shooting 78% from the line. So I'm not concerned about his FT%.

Ace is also shooting 47% from the field overall, that's pretty good IMO.

For the record, Cooper Flagg:

Fg%: 42%

3pt%: 25%

TS%: 50%

Yes, I'm aware Cooper is more defensive oriented but thought it was worth mentioned the projected top pick in the drafts offensive numbers.


I also don't think much of Cooper Flagg.

People hyped up this draft class - they're not living up to the hype. But the narrative around the class hasn't changed, yet.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospects 

Post#309 » by othawhitemeat » Thu Jan 2, 2025 6:32 pm

Muzbar wrote:I've kept seeing places label Ace Bailey as 6'10", I was sceptical at first, but watching this latest highlight, he just looks so long!



I hope the Bulls get the chance to draft Ace, I think he's my number 1 for this draft.


My thing with Ace is his toughness? I know he is skinny, but what is his motivational skill-set? You can see the defense and the shooting ability offensively but he seems raw there. His passing is atrocious too as look at his A/TO levels and his ball-handling. Give me Flagg/Harper over Ace any day of the week.
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Post#310 » by drosestruts » Thu Jan 2, 2025 9:11 pm

Liking Johni Broome more and more as I look at draft prospects and ma just hoping GMs continue to be stupid and over-emphasize age.


Obviously when talking about 2nd round guys, these players will have some flaws. Broome isn't a shooter at all, his 3p% sucks and his ft% sucks. He isn't very athletic. But he plays within himself and does the things he does well and is an advanced stats darling:

37 PER
18.7 BPM
134 ORTG
86 DRTG

Per game he's scoring 18 points, pulling down 11 rebounds, blocking 2.5 shots and dishing out 3.5 assists

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Post#311 » by Donkedave » Fri Jan 3, 2025 3:39 am

Bailey killing it today with no Harper playing
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Post#312 » by Muzbar » Fri Jan 3, 2025 3:59 am

Damn. Ace Bailey with 39pts and 8rbs in the loss today.

Struggled from the line again 3/8. I just don't get it.

Dude scored over half his teams points, definitely needs to learn to share the ball some more though.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospects 

Post#313 » by Donkedave » Fri Jan 3, 2025 4:17 am

Muzbar wrote:Damn. Ace Bailey with 39pts and 8rbs in the loss today.

Struggled from the line again 3/8. I just don't get it.

Dude scored over half his teams points, definitely needs to learn to share the ball some more though.


Yeah he didn’t like passing today! 4blks
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospects 

Post#314 » by Muzbar » Fri Jan 3, 2025 4:30 am

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Muzbar wrote:Damn. Ace Bailey with 39pts and 8rbs in the loss today.

Struggled from the line again 3/8. I just don't get it.

Dude scored over half his teams points, definitely needs to learn to share the ball some more though.


Yeah he didn’t like passing today! 4blks

Oh damn. He did have 4 blks, I misread it as TOs.

That FT shooting is puzzling though.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospects 

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Post#316 » by Donkedave » Fri Jan 3, 2025 7:03 am

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Kinda weird game for him today, only played 7 minutes in the first half didn’t shoot much was 0/3 when on had then second half played 15 scored 16 6teb and 5 ass!
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Post#317 » by othawhitemeat » Fri Jan 3, 2025 12:30 pm

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Kinda weird game for him today, only played 7 minutes in the first half didn’t shoot much was 0/3 when on had then second half played 15 scored 16 6teb and 5 ass!


Got 2 quick fouls in first half. Dominated 2nd half
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Post#318 » by AshyLarrysDiaper » Fri Jan 3, 2025 4:46 pm

Kasparas’ low production in the first half was for the most part a combination of foul trouble and the fact his teammates were on fire. The game flow didn’t go his way.

But I was extremely impressed with his second half. Granted, Illinois was up big for most of it, so you could chalk up some of his numbers to garbage time, but Oregon never stopped playing hard and he just made them look silly. There were even plays where he looked explosive off the dribble, which has been my biggest concern about him.

After cooling on him somewhat after the Mizzou game, I’m hyped about how he looked in this one.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospects 

Post#319 » by Chi town » Fri Jan 3, 2025 5:44 pm

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Shooter shotmaker. MPJ with strong D. If his handle improves and he gets stronger he could score off the dribble.
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Post#320 » by othawhitemeat » Fri Jan 3, 2025 10:29 pm

AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:Kasparas’ low production in the first half was for the most part a combination of foul trouble and the fact his teammates were on fire. The game flow didn’t go his way.

But I was extremely impressed with his second half. Granted, Illinois was up big for most of it, so you could chalk up some of his numbers to garbage time, but Oregon never stopped playing hard and he just made them look silly. There were even plays where he looked explosive off the dribble, which has been my biggest concern about him.

After cooling on him somewhat after the Mizzou game, I’m hyped about how he looked in this one.


Dude is special in terms of bball IQ. Whoever drafts him - he will have some off days, but IMO, the dude is going to be special. his athleticism is not great, but he can dribble, pass, see things in advance, fights on defense, shoot well, creative, etc....

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