NBA Trade Thread #13

[TheSuzerain]

Not interested in Jabari Smith Jr.

A Coby trade for Reed Sheppard or Tari Eason is interesting though.

[Infinity2152]

Of the likely to be traded or moved this year players, rank their trade value in your opinion as to other teams' interest. My opinion:

1. Coby
2. Vucevic
3. Ayo
4. Huerter (shooter)
5. Collins
6. Carter
7. Williams

Vucevic and Ayo switch spots depending on what the other team needs, but Vuc's raw stats may interest some teams.

Main reason I wouldn't buy Vuc out. Most of our guys don't have much trade value at all, his is probably near the top. Don't think the other three guys in his range rank as high trade wise (Collins, Huerter, Williams) so Vucevic would have more value in a big trade with Coby.

I know guys think Vucevic is horrible, you guys think Collins or Huerter actually have more trade value? They were definitely considered overpaid 6-7 months ago. I'd keep him as a trade chip and let him expire before I pay him to leave. Focus on assets more than wins this season. Even if most teams would prefer Collins for instance, the team that actually has the star to trade may prefer Vucevic for what they need this year. Money's about the same, I'm sure not every GM would take Collins over Vuc.

Talking about a consolidation trade mostly, to get better player. Say Coby+Vuc, vs Coby+Williams or Coby+Collins.

[sco]

Of the likely to be traded or moved this year players, rank their trade value in your opinion as to other teams' interest. My opinion:

1. Coby
2. Vucevic
3. Ayo
4. Huerter (shooter)
5. Collins
6. Carter
7. Williams

Vucevic and Ayo switch spots depending on what the other team needs, but Vuc's raw stats may interest some teams.

Main reason I wouldn't buy Vuc out. Most of our guys don't have much trade value at all, his is probably near the top. Don't think the other three guys in his range rank as high trade wise (Collins, Huerter, Williams) so Vucevic would have more value in a big trade with Coby.

I know guys think Vucevic is horrible, you guys think Collins or Huerter actually have more trade value? They were definitely considered overpaid 6-7 months ago. I'd keep him as a trade chip and let him expire before I pay him to leave. Focus on assets more than wins this season. Even if most teams would prefer Collins for instance, the team that actually has the star to trade may prefer Vucevic for what they need this year. Money's about the same, I'm sure not every GM would take Collins over Vuc.

Talking about a consolidation trade mostly, to get better player. Say Coby+Vuc, vs Coby+Williams or Coby+Collins.

In terms of trade value, I see it:

Coby
Ayo
Huerter
Collins
Carter
Vucevic
Williams

Why aren't Smith and Terry on your list?

Coby and Ayo have the most trade value because they both have potential and are cheap, but even so, they likely won't command enough value back as expirings to get a deal done. Of all the players, I see Ayo as the most likely to go because he is cheap, with a lot of upside.

Vuc is a very very bad starting center for this team, based on our needs and style of play. He is a very good fit as a backup for many teams, but his contract is prohitively high to start the season, but perhaps at the deadline we could trade him for a couple of bench quality guys on expiring deals, and perhaps a 2nd.

Williams is a player that many teams would be interested in as a reclaimation project, if not for his overpriced deal. It will be interesting to see what his role will be this season. IMO, Okoro is ahead of him (politically - which, unfortunately, matters here, since we just traded a valuable player for him, specifically to play a big role), also IMO Phillips is better than him, so is Ayo, so is Huerter, and then there will need to be 10-12 MPG minimum for Noa. Now Pat could return to form and win 20-24MPG best case, but even then, I can't see him improving his trade value enough to unload him next season except as filler in a bigger deal.

[Infinity2152]

Of the likely to be traded or moved this year players, rank their trade value in your opinion as to other teams' interest. My opinion:

1. Coby
2. Vucevic
3. Ayo
4. Huerter (shooter)
5. Collins
6. Carter
7. Williams

Vucevic and Ayo switch spots depending on what the other team needs, but Vuc's raw stats may interest some teams.

Main reason I wouldn't buy Vuc out. Most of our guys don't have much trade value at all, his is probably near the top. Don't think the other three guys in his range rank as high trade wise (Collins, Huerter, Williams) so Vucevic would have more value in a big trade with Coby.

I know guys think Vucevic is horrible, you guys think Collins or Huerter actually have more trade value? They were definitely considered overpaid 6-7 months ago. I'd keep him as a trade chip and let him expire before I pay him to leave. Focus on assets more than wins this season. Even if most teams would prefer Collins for instance, the team that actually has the star to trade may prefer Vucevic for what they need this year. Money's about the same, I'm sure not every GM would take Collins over Vuc.

Talking about a consolidation trade mostly, to get better player. Say Coby+Vuc, vs Coby+Williams or Coby+Collins.

In terms of trade value, I see it:

Coby
Ayo
Huerter
Collins
Carter
Vucevic
Williams

Why aren't Smith and Terry on your list?

Coby and Ayo have the most trade value because they both have potential and are cheap, but even so, they likely won't command enough value back as expirings to get a deal done. Of all the players, I see Ayo as the most likely to go because he is cheap, with a lot of upside.

Vuc is a very very bad starting center for this team, based on our needs and style of play. He is a very good fit as a backup for many teams, but his contract is prohitively high to start the season, but perhaps at the deadline we could trade him for a couple of bench quality guys on expiring deals, and perhaps a 2nd.

Williams is a player that many teams would be interested in as a reclaimation project, if not for his overpriced deal. It will be interesting to see what his role will be this season. IMO, Okoro is ahead of him (politically - which, unfortunately, matters here, since we just traded a valuable player for him, specifically to play a big role), also IMO Phillips is better than him, so is Ayo, so is Huerter, and then there will need to be 10-12 MPG minimum for Noa. Now Pat could return to form and win 20-24MPG best case, but even then, I can't see him improving his trade value enough to unload him next season except as filler in a bigger deal.

I don't think we trade Smith or Terry. We're getting nothing for Terry and Vucevic and Collins cost so much more, I think Smith lasts the year. Plus he's the only center not expiring.

When I'm thinking of trade value, I go to what would the player likely command on the open market, not fit for our team or another team, because I have no idea who we'd be trading with. Would assume a team trading for Vuc has a need for Vuc, for instance. Same with Coby. Then factor in the current contract, how close to market value. Coby $25-$30 mill, Vucevic $15-$18 mill, Ayo $10 mill, Huerter $12 mill, Collins $12 mill, Williams $10 mill my best guess next summer.

I really don't think any of those guys other than Coby will get more than Vucevic. Vucevic has a bad rep in here, Collins and Huerter I think are not highly regarded anywhere. Don't think Vuc has high trade value, just higher than those guys. I can see a team talking themselves into taking 18pts, 11 rebounds and 36%+ shooting, If a team is trading for Collins or Huerter, what are they looking for? Overpaid perennial backup?

Agree a team could talk themselves into Williams, especially if they're dumping a player or two or picking up an extra asset in a big trade. Vuc's $20 mill is not high for a sixth man type who can start with an injury, at least not for a true contender imo.

Teams Vuc would likely start on or compete for starting spot: Hornets (Plumlee), Orlando (Carter Jr), Pacers (Wiseman), Celtics (Queta), Warriors just got Horford, but Vuc would compete and Horford won't last the season. wizards have Sarr, Vuc might start or play sixth man. Grizzlies he'd compete or be sixth man. Sixth man or starter on Lakers (Ayton). There are not a lot of great centers in the league.

[RedBull23]

Vuc to Grizz? They have a hospital once again: JJJ, Eddey and Clarke all injured.

[Infinity2152]

Vuc to Grizz? They have a hospital once again: JJJ, Eddey and Clarke all injured.

Could see that. Vucevic is a vet, experienced and very durable, expiring could be a plus. Teach the young guys, and JJJ is the best frontcourt mate for Vuc in the league in terms of each one provides what the other doesn't. Maybe best shooting front court in the league.

I doubt we're asking a lot at this point. Don't know why people think no one will want a $20 mill expiring contract. That's worth something to a LOT of teams if he couldn't play all season, let alone provide big minutes off the bench or start.

Vucevic for Clarke $12.5 mill and Konchar $6.2 plus 2027 top 8 protected 1st for Vucevic $21.5 mill look like it works. They get a center for this year and clear $18.2 mill of the books for next summer, we buyout Carter, carry Clarke and Konchar to the offseason, and add a 1st round pick. We might keep one or both, they're pretty cheap and we won't have many players left. Jackson's contract does jump next year a lot.

[sco]

Vuc to Grizz? They have a hospital once again: JJJ, Eddey and Clarke all injured.

Could see that. Vucevic is a vet, experienced and very durable, expiring could be a plus. Teach the young guys, and JJJ is the best frontcourt mate for Vuc in the league in terms of each one provides what the other doesn't. Maybe best shooting front court in the league.

I doubt we're asking a lot at this point. Don't know why people think no one will want a $20 mill expiring contract. That's worth something to a LOT of teams if he couldn't play all season, let alone provide big minutes off the bench or start.

Vucevic for Clarke $12.5 mill and Konchar $6.2 plus 2027 top 8 protected 1st for Vucevic $21.5 mill look like it works. They get a center for this year and clear $18.2 mill of the books for next summer, we buyout Carter, carry Clarke and Konchar to the offseason, and add a 1st round pick. We might keep one or both, they're pretty cheap and we won't have many players left. Jackson's contract does jump next year a lot.

I love the idea, but we aren't getting a 1st of any kind back in that deal. A couple of 2nds, sure. IMO, buying him out after the deadline is the only move to be made for him.

[Infinity2152]

Vuc to Grizz? They have a hospital once again: JJJ, Eddey and Clarke all injured.

Could see that. Vucevic is a vet, experienced and very durable, expiring could be a plus. Teach the young guys, and JJJ is the best frontcourt mate for Vuc in the league in terms of each one provides what the other doesn't. Maybe best shooting front court in the league.

I doubt we're asking a lot at this point. Don't know why people think no one will want a $20 mill expiring contract. That's worth something to a LOT of teams if he couldn't play all season, let alone provide big minutes off the bench or start.

Vucevic for Clarke $12.5 mill and Konchar $6.2 plus 2027 top 8 protected 1st for Vucevic $21.5 mill look like it works. They get a center for this year and clear $18.2 mill of the books for next summer, we buyout Carter, carry Clarke and Konchar to the offseason, and add a 1st round pick. We might keep one or both, they're pretty cheap and we won't have many players left. Jackson's contract does jump next year a lot.

I love the idea, but we aren't getting a 1st of any kind back in that deal. A couple of 2nds, sure. IMO, buying him out after the deadline is the only move to be made for him.

What would be the point of taking on long term money for a couple of seconds? Buying him out, we can't trade him to a team that want to clear cap. Think JJJ's contract jumps like $20 mill next year, they'd clear $18.2 more if they take Vuc in trade. Bulls shouldn't take on an extra $18.2 mil of cap next summer for a couple of seconds. What is a $20 mill expiring worth in picks to a team that is trying to clear cap, if the player is worthless and just cap relief? At least a couple of seconds?

Going to try to stop arguing that Vuc is much better than an absolutely worthless player, that his $20 mill expiring would be worth more to some teams say Jalen Carter on that same $20 mill expiring contract, or any player that's not even healthy or playing this year. Seems like guys add ZERO player value to Vuc's value as a $20 mill expiring, absolutely zero. Yet he's ranked between 13-25 on every center ranking the last few years I've seen.

[sco]

Could see that. Vucevic is a vet, experienced and very durable, expiring could be a plus. Teach the young guys, and JJJ is the best frontcourt mate for Vuc in the league in terms of each one provides what the other doesn't. Maybe best shooting front court in the league.

I doubt we're asking a lot at this point. Don't know why people think no one will want a $20 mill expiring contract. That's worth something to a LOT of teams if he couldn't play all season, let alone provide big minutes off the bench or start.

Vucevic for Clarke $12.5 mill and Konchar $6.2 plus 2027 top 8 protected 1st for Vucevic $21.5 mill look like it works. They get a center for this year and clear $18.2 mill of the books for next summer, we buyout Carter, carry Clarke and Konchar to the offseason, and add a 1st round pick. We might keep one or both, they're pretty cheap and we won't have many players left. Jackson's contract does jump next year a lot.

I love the idea, but we aren't getting a 1st of any kind back in that deal. A couple of 2nds, sure. IMO, buying him out after the deadline is the only move to be made for him.

What would be the point of taking on long term money for a couple of seconds? Buying him out, we can't trade him to a team that want to clear cap. Think JJJ's contract jumps like $20 mill next year, they'd clear $18.2 more if they take Vuc in trade. Bulls shouldn't take on an extra $18.2 mil of cap next summer for a couple of seconds. What is a $20 mill expiring worth in picks to a team that is trying to clear cap, if the player is worthless and just cap relief? At least a couple of seconds?

Going to try to stop arguing that Vuc is much better than an absolutely worthless player, that his $20 mill expiring would be worth more to some teams say Jalen Carter on that same $20 mill expiring contract, or any player that's not even healthy or playing this year. Seems like guys add ZERO player value to Vuc's value as a $20 mill expiring, absolutely zero. Yet he's ranked between 13-25 on every center ranking the last few years I've seen.

OK, well, I'd love for you to be right, but he's still here and likely still here after the deadline.

[Infinity2152]

Well, kind of boring to only talk about things that have already happened or are 100% going to happen in the future, lol. Do you think it's not worth it for ANY team this season to give up a future protected first to clear $20 mill in cap space? Saying he's still here, does anybody know what the Bulls are asking for him or are willing to accept? What deals have been discussed with what teams? Because he's still here doesn't mean no team wants him.

We're going to keep ignoring the fact that every team is against or over the cap, of course that has an effect on trades. Why getting expiring contracts is considered valuable. It hasn't been hard for every other trade or free agent this summer, is that the view? Trades and signings are just happening easily all over the place and it's just Vucevic? People have talked about us giving a protected pick or value more than a couple of seconds to get rid of Pat's contract.

Any big trades or moves this summer that haven't been money moves? (Jrue Holiday traded for expiring, Damian Lillard traded to get money for Turner, Bradley Beal waived to smooth cap and expiring KD traded). KD trade probably the only not purely money-based move of those.

Plenty of trades happen during the season and at the deadline, not even sure most happen in the summer.

[Muzbar]

What about Vuc/Phillips for Robert Williams III/Thybulle?

Basically expiring for expiring, but brings added defense to the Bulls that they're apparently looking to improve and the Blazers add another veteran in Vuc who can help mentor their young centers (I know JRoy will say no).

Just a thought.

[jnrjr79]

With Giannis’s comments on media day about having considered playing for other teams, I wonder to what extent the Bulls will be gun-shy on more minor moves while they wait to see if Milwaukee underperforms and elects to ship him out. I don’t expect the Bulls to be able to put together the assets that would win that bidding war, but I have no idea how AK views the universe.

EDIT: just for funsies, and not accounting for Milwaukee’s inbound roster spot issues, I could see AK offering Vooch’s expiring + Coby + Essengue + Ayo + Port pick + 3 Bulls 1sts. It wouldn’t shock me one bit if AK took a swing at that.

[Infinity2152]

What about Vuc/Phillips for Robert Williams III/Thybulle?

Basically expiring for expiring, but brings added defense to the Bulls that they're apparently looking to improve and the Blazers add another veteran in Vuc who can help mentor their young centers (I know JRoy will say no).

Just a thought.

Could be good for both sides as far as gameplay. Williams barely plays, but is defensive and Vuc can mentor Clingan and score. They added Holiday and got rid of Simons, huge defensive upgrade already with scoring downgrade probably. Thybulle's better than Phillips now, Phillips still has upside. Robert Williams has played 35 games or less the last three seasons. First two seasons are 32 and 29. Any idea why?

From player perspective, love him for the Bulls. Can't possibly have high trade value. Maybe swap their pick we're holding which has done us zero good for the unprotected 2028 Orlando pick they're holding as a sweetener. Frees up their ability to trade picks.

[burlydee]

I know ppl probably don’t want to hear this but… that Kuminga contract is great for the Bulls.

[Infinity2152]

I know ppl probably don’t want to hear this but… that Kuminga contract is great for the Bulls.

Like this one too. Contract is good and he's the right combination of age and potential if it doesn't cost us much. Much easier to trade for without BPE.

Details 2yrs/$48.5 mill, team option year 2. Waived his implicit no trade clause, eligible to be traded in January. His deal pushes their luxury tax penalty up $70 mill to over $80 mill. They'd probably LOVE to trade him for an expiring if they can get anything extra back and clear that money.

Vucevic is a WAY better fit than Kuminga next to Butler and Draymond for a win now team that lives off three-point shooting. Would throw in a second or two with that team option.

[sco]

Heard rumor that Knicks will cut dadiet. He's a nice young player.

https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/5211983/pacome-dadiet

[Muzbar]

Heard rumor that Knicks will cut dadiet. He's a nice young player.

https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/5211983/pacome-dadiet

They won't cut Dadiet. They are however trying to trade him to make a roster spot available so they can keep both Brogdon and Shamet.

I'd love to take a flyer on him but the Bulls don't have a spot to add him though.

[sco]

Heard rumor that Knicks will cut dadiet. He's a nice young player.

https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/5211983/pacome-dadiet

They won't cut Dadiet. They are however trying to trade him to make a roster spot available so they can keep both Brogdon and Shamet.

I'd love to take a flyer on him but the Bulls don't have a spot to add him though.

We could buyout Carter. I'd be fine giving up a 2nd rounder, but I heard NY needs to do something before 10/18.

[pipfan]

Heard rumor that Knicks will cut dadiet. He's a nice young player.

https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/5211983/pacome-dadiet

They won't cut Dadiet. They are however trying to trade him to make a roster spot available so they can keep both Brogdon and Shamet.

I'd love to take a flyer on him but the Bulls don't have a spot to add him though.

We could buyout Carter. I'd be fine giving up a 2nd rounder, but I heard NY needs to do something before 10/18.

Sounds good to me-buy out Carter, offer a 2nd and absorb his deal

[Infinity2152]

Is Dadiet good? First year stats are not impressive, 32% FG%, 32% 3pt, 67% free throw, -6.5 BPM, TS 45%. Is he super athletic or supposed to be a lock down defender? DPBM was -1.5. Rather see Williams, Phillips, Terry and Noa get any minutes he would get. Our roster of 6'6 to 6'8 guard/forwards is super deep right now and most could be here next year.