WT- Nate unlikely to be back (WAIT! + instagram pic pg 81!)

[pylb]

He still has a bad shot selection and is a bad defender.

He helped us a lot more than he hurt us, hopefully he comes back on a cheap contract

I'm not saying he was bad for us. Thibs also reigned him in a little. But the concerns over him as a player haven't changed for teams across the league.

His scoring was invaluable to us. If you're the Thunder though (for example) you would have no use for him.

[Chitownbulls]

Yeah exactly and maybe all the Chicago bulls pictures on his twitter is making teams think twice? Hoping so

[bad knees]

Mr Funk, what day are your rumors from? Seems like they must be pre-Dunleavy since they talk about offering the MMLE to Beli or Nate. We only have one MMLE and it has been offered to Dunleavy. Best we can do with Marco and Nate is 120% of last year's salary.

[transplant]

Did Nate really change any attitudes GM's have when it comes to his game? Everyone has always known he could score - but are the weaknesses that allowed the Bulls to pick him up off the scrap heap gone?

Is there any market for Nate? Are the Bulls best served just waiting and seeing if Nate wants to come back as the 13th guy on the roster?

All good questions.

I've found the absolute certainty that not only fans, but also the media, have had regarding Robinson's tremendously increased market value to be very curious. Robinson's 2011-12 and 2012-13 seasons were very similar. Yes, 2011-12 was played in a smaller market and for a losing team. And yes, Robinson had some great moments in the playoffs for the Bulls last season. Fans and media view these differences as being critical in the market value equation. I'm not convinced.

For Robinson to be worth say $5mil/yr to a team in today's NBA, that team must be willing to play Robinson at least 20 mpg and must accept Robinson as the team's #1 or #2 scoring option for those 20 mpg. Which teams are these?

[ChiCitySPORTS#1]

Going to be honest, if I were another team I wouldnt want him that bad either. I really dislike undersized players, and 5-9 is cutting it short (seewhatididthere). Thankfully we had the benefit of seeing how he can be effective, and thats playing with a guy like Hinrich who can play PG while defend SG's. Thats the ideal situation for Nate

[coldfish]

I said this in the tank thread. The free agent market is about to turn into a bloodbath for the free agents. I suspect that there are going to be some reasonable players available for the vet min. Nate might be among them.

[LoveDaBoo]

Bad defender, only 5'9 yadda yadda yadda

What about when he carried us into the 2nd round of the playoffs? An had a huge part in the game 1 victory vs the Heat.

Without Nate Robinson the Bulls would have lost to the Nets and would have been swept by the Heat. This dude was playing like a mini DRose

You're absolutely obsessed with a 12 game sample. Yeah, he had great moments in the playoffs. That was 12 games. Throughout his entire career, he's had many great moments. But has glaring weaknesses, which is what allowed the Bulls to pay him peanuts on a one-year contract last year.

[LoveDaBoo]

I said this in the tank thread. The free agent market is about to turn into a bloodbath for the free agents. I suspect that there are going to be some reasonable players available for the vet min. Nate might be among them.

With the higher tax kicking in, the non-top-tier free agents are going to take a moon-pounding.

[ChiCitySPORTS#1]

Bad defender, only 5'9 yadda yadda yadda

What about when he carried us into the 2nd round of the playoffs? An had a huge part in the game 1 victory vs the Heat.

Without Nate Robinson the Bulls would have lost to the Nets and would have been swept by the Heat. This dude was playing like a mini DRose

You're absolutely obsessed with a 12 game sample. Yeah, he had great moments in the playoffs. That was 12 games. Throughout his entire career, he's had many great moments. But has glaring weaknesses, which is what allowed the Bulls to pay him peanuts on a one-year contract last year.

To some people that 12 game sample is more important. Myself included

[Mr Funk]

Mr Funk, what day are your rumors from? Seems like they must be pre-Dunleavy since they talk about offering the MMLE to Beli or Nate. We only have one MMLE and it has been offered to Dunleavy. Best we can do with Marco and Nate is 120% of last year's salary.

Yeah they were from before the Dorkleavy signing, and yes we can offer Nate the raise which is a little higher than the vet min.

Marc Berman ‏@NYPost_Berman 15h
As tweeted yesterday and wrote in today's Post, #Knicks discussed Nate Robinson with his agent yesterday but told club has minimal interest

Great news.

With the raise we can offer Nate, we still have a chance.

[KissedByaRose1]

Yes, he's still 5'9, which in amnesic retrospective viewpoints that don't take into account performance during the past season can be a hindrance.

Just like JJ Barea and Jason Terry right?

[pylb]

Bad defender, only 5'9 yadda yadda yadda

What about when he carried us into the 2nd round of the playoffs? An had a huge part in the game 1 victory vs the Heat.

Without Nate Robinson the Bulls would have lost to the Nets and would have been swept by the Heat. This dude was playing like a mini DRose

You're absolutely obsessed with a 12 game sample. Yeah, he had great moments in the playoffs. That was 12 games. Throughout his entire career, he's had many great moments. But has glaring weaknesses, which is what allowed the Bulls to pay him peanuts on a one-year contract last year.

Keep it civil. - HS

Sports are usually enjoyable because of emotions. That's understandable.
That doesn't mean you should rely on emotions when making judgements.

Do you think there is such a thing as a "hot hand" or "clutch gene" too ?

[transplant]

You're absolutely obsessed with a 12 game sample. Yeah, he had great moments in the playoffs. That was 12 games. Throughout his entire career, he's had many great moments. But has glaring weaknesses, which is what allowed the Bulls to pay him peanuts on a one-year contract last year.

To some people that 12 game sample is more important. Myself included

Before this becomes the stuff of legend, Robinson had 2 great playoff games (Brooklyn game 4 and Miami game 1). Both were wins. He had 3 good playoff games (Brooklyn game 5 and Miami games 3 and 5), but all were losses. He also had 2 atrocious playoff games (Miami games 2 and 4). Both were losses. In the other 5 playoff games Nate's performance was mostly meh.

[Red Larrivee]

Things aren't boding well for Nate at this point.

This plays into our hands well, assuming the reason we don't want him back isn't all about $.

It's still really early though. The market for some players doesn't shake out as quickly. When Dwight Howard makes his decision, that could end up being the domino. He's holding up the plans of quite a few teams who have big cap space (Atlanta, Dallas, Houston).

[Chitownbulls]

Yeah exactly, once the bigger names make their moves, everybody else will fall into place. I saw another twitter pic of Nate in a bulls jersey, does anyone know if that was recent?

I hope we can bring him back

[DRoseCantStop]

You're absolutely obsessed with a 12 game sample. Yeah, he had great moments in the playoffs. That was 12 games. Throughout his entire career, he's had many great moments. But has glaring weaknesses, which is what allowed the Bulls to pay him peanuts on a one-year contract last year.

To some people that 12 game sample is more important. Myself included

Before this becomes the stuff of legend, Robinson had 2 great playoff games (Brooklyn game 4 and Miami game 1). Both were wins. He had 3 good playoff games (Brooklyn game 5 and Miami games 3 and 5), but all were losses. He also had 2 atrocious playoff games (Miami games 2 and 4). Both were losses. In the other 5 playoff games Nate's performance was mostly meh.

This.

[ChiCitySPORTS#1]

You're absolutely obsessed with a 12 game sample. Yeah, he had great moments in the playoffs. That was 12 games. Throughout his entire career, he's had many great moments. But has glaring weaknesses, which is what allowed the Bulls to pay him peanuts on a one-year contract last year.

To some people that 12 game sample is more important. Myself included

To reasonable, intelligent, logical people it isn't.

Sports are usually enjoyable because of emotions. That's understandable.
That doesn't mean you should rely on emotions when making judgements.

Do you think there is such a thing as a "hot hand" or "clutch gene" too ?

Let's keep it civil - HS Secondly, Nate is one of 2 or 3 players from last years team who didn't **** the bed when it was time to win a game.

Although it was a small sample size, it was still a derivative of how he played for a good part of the year. Yeah he takes some bad shots occasionally, and is not the best defender but the whole reason why we are likely going to be unable to sign him is because how well he played for us. I would absolutely love to have him back in a more limited role and so would the Bulls. His performance in the playoffs, although it being a limited sample size was enough to show that he would be very helpful to have on this team moving forward and adds another dynamic this team is sorely lacking--shooting, creating, scoring.

Could you imagine how pathetic our offense would have been without him?

[kdapiton]

He has been a consistently good offensive player off the bench the whole year. Saved our ass from multiple games where out players were wearing cinder blocks for shoes. I want him back for more than what he did for the playoffs.

JL3 had some Nate moments when he was with us, but I didn't mind him leaving.

[KiLleRInStiNcT7]

I love what Nate brings. Yeah sometimes he makes bad choices but he's that kinda player when he's hot he can win you a game on his own.

[Rerisen]

You're absolutely obsessed with a 12 game sample. Yeah, he had great moments in the playoffs. That was 12 games. Throughout his entire career, he's had many great moments. But has glaring weaknesses, which is what allowed the Bulls to pay him peanuts on a one-year contract last year.

To some people that 12 game sample is more important. Myself included

Before this becomes the stuff of legend, Robinson had 2 great playoff games (Brooklyn game 4 and Miami game 1). Both were wins. He had 3 good playoff games (Brooklyn game 5 and Miami games 3 and 5), but all were losses. He also had 2 atrocious playoff games (Miami games 2 and 4). Both were losses. In the other 5 playoff games Nate's performance was mostly meh.

Now do this for all our players. How many great and good games did Deng, Boozer, Kirk, Taj have, etc.

Not that your recap is wrong, but disturbing how a min salary can have a competitive resume with our best and highly paid secondary players behind D-Rose.

Playoff PER

Joakim Noah 16.7
Carlos Boozer 16.7
Nate Robinson 15.6
Jimmy Butler 14.4
Marco Belinelli 13.7
Kirk Hinrich 12.7
Taj Gibson 12.3
Luol Deng 8.3
Richard Hamilton 7.6