ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng

[DanTown8587]

KC just posted a story in the Tribute confirming this. Says the Bulls prefer to keep Deng and will not just dump him for salary reasons.

Also said any offers the Bulls have received are underwhelming.

It's a strange stance for them to hold. They're basically saying they're content losing Deng for nothing in free agency just to have the chance to re-sign him.

They were confident they would retain Asik in free agency too. All it takes is one team to make a ridiculous offer.

Meh, if the idea is the Suns are floating you a bottom first round pick and no salary savings, why do the deal? The reason you trade Deng now instead of letting him walk is to get value for him, if no one offers you value or you don't find anything valuable, the risk of getting him back at a fair price is worth not getting some late first.

This is a classic scenario where fans will say "See, I can't believe the Bulls didn't trade Deng" when unless you know the offers, you can't really judge the decision.

[Boardwalker]

This is a classic scenario where fans will say "See, I can't believe the Bulls didn't trade Deng" when unless you know the offers, you can't really judge the decision.

This scenario seems to apply to the majority of posters here.

[the ultimates]

Deng will be re-signed and the Bulls will be stuck in NBA hell for years to come while half the roster continues to decline and succumb to injuries. They won't have any flexibility whatsoever once these new deals for Jimmy and Luol kick in.

Great plan GarPax!

They won't be in nba hell because of that they'll be in it because the best and highest paid player on the team can't stay healthy. Deng on a 10-12 million dollar a year deal is still movable. I know some on this board aren't high on Mirotic but he still stacks up well with the players mentioned in this draft plus he is doing it in a much better league. It doesn't guarantee him success but neither does wanting to tank because people think Wiggins, Exum, Parker, or Gordon are sure things.

[Stratmaster]

Wut da fuct?


Local guys have said the Bulls are listening to offers for Deng.



Does the Bulls front office now believe that the tank is so effective they won't need to trade Deng? Next years lineup could include Rose, Deng, Mirotic, Noah, and a top 5 pick.

Know this though - if the Bulls don't tank, and don't end up with a stud through the draft, they've pretty much eliminated any chance of aquiring that second star. No cap space, no top draft pick, and a bunch of slightly overpaid middle class players.

Deng at 14 million per puts the salary for next year as such (assuming Boozer is amnestied)

Rose 18.8
Deng 14
Noah 12.2
Gibson 8
Mirotic 6
Top 5 pick 4
MDJ 3.3
Butler 2
Snell 1.4
Teague 1.1

Total 70.8 million

But even without Deng's 14 mil, they are at 56.8 mil, just a few million below the likely salary cap. still no room to sign an impact free agent. Still unlikely to get an impact player in the draft without a lucky lotto draw.

[Mech Engineer]

The best option is to keep Deng and tank. If they get a good offer for Deng, then they should look at trading him. Otherwise, just trading to save a few million dollars is not worth it.

I think they are doing the smart thing and not hurrying in trading Deng for now. They should let the market build a little bit. I think asking for a 2014 first round pick is a bad idea as there is too much attachment to this draft for many GMs. The Bulls should do the Garnett/Pierce type of deal for Deng and ask for future picks when teams think they will be good but will have one bad year and the ability to swap picks like Atlanta did.

Teams like the Lakers are salivating to get Deng by dumping Gasol on the Bulls. This is one time patience will serve the Bulls better and GarPax need to be appreciated for this. Deng is a very much sought after player in the league right now.

[nitetrain8603]

Wut da fuct?


Local guys have said the Bulls are listening to offers for Deng.



Does the Bulls front office now believe that the tank is so effective they won't need to trade Deng? Next years lineup could include Rose, Deng, Mirotic, Noah, and a top 5 pick.

Know this though - if the Bulls don't tank, and don't end up with a stud through the draft, they've pretty much eliminated any chance of aquiring that second star. No cap space, no top draft pick, and a bunch of slightly overpaid middle class players.

Deng at 14 million per puts the salary for next year as such (assuming Boozer is amnestied)

Rose 18.8
Deng 14
Noah 12.2
Gibson 8
Mirotic 6
Top 5 pick 4
MDJ 3.3
Butler 2
Snell 1.4
Teague 1.1

Total 70.8 million

But even without Deng's 14 mil, they are at 56.8 mil, just a few million below the likely salary cap. still no room to sign an impact free agent. Still unlikely to get an impact player in the draft without a lucky lotto draw.

Yes, but they have to start ridding themselves of salary or they'll be stuck with "Well, if we amnesty Boozer, we don't have enough to sign an impact player. If we trade Gibson, we still don't have enough." You have to make the first move and follow up with other moves.

Let's get this straight, the Bulls are not one move from contending. They need several moves.

[SpinninHouse]

I'm really anxious about Lu still being on the team. He needs to go immediately. With Lopez going down, Brooklyn will lose a lot of games. Literally the only thing standing in our way from a top-5 pick is Luol Deng (or a fluke draw of the ping pong balls).

I've supported the FO completely for years but I'm on verge of calling for a regime change. Our lack of creativity and over-the-top conservatism is devastating. We could use a new GM with no emotional investment in our players. I hope Michael Reinsdorf isn't loyal to a fault like his old man. Jerry is loyal to a fault and it impedes the progress of the franchise. He stayed with Krause way too long and it set us back years.

We can't wait till 2017 to change GM's if Gar tries to stay the course.

[fleet]

KC just posted a story in the Tribute confirming this. Says the Bulls prefer to keep Deng and will not just dump him for salary reasons.

Also said any offers the Bulls have received are underwhelming.

We'll be the judge of underwhelming The Bulls have a ridiculously high level of perceived value of their own players. The offers are possibly somewhat fair and the Bulls are possibly unrealistic.

[Bulls_Fan]

KC just posted a story in the Tribute confirming this. Says the Bulls prefer to keep Deng and will not just dump him for salary reasons.

Also said any offers the Bulls have received are underwhelming.

We'll be the judge of underwhelming The Bulls have a ridiculously high level of perceived value of their own players. The offers are possibly somewhat fair and the Bulls are possibly unrealistic.

No kidding. This is what drives me crazy about Paxson.

[mostek]

KC just posted a story in the Tribute confirming this. Says the Bulls prefer to keep Deng and will not just dump him for salary reasons.

Also said any offers the Bulls have received are underwhelming.

We'll be the judge of underwhelming The Bulls have a ridiculously high level of perceived value of their own players. The offers are possibly somewhat fair and the Bulls are possibly unrealistic.

It did not sound like the quoted executive had any knowledge of what offers were made, only made a joke about, if the Bulls were series about trading Deng, then the offers were not attractive.

ESPN.com reported Friday the Bulls "are determined not to trade Deng." One league executive lightheartedly translated that to mean "they're getting lowball offers."

[transplant]

KC just posted a story in the Tribute confirming this. Says the Bulls prefer to keep Deng and will not just dump him for salary reasons.

Also said any offers the Bulls have received are underwhelming.

We'll be the judge of underwhelming The Bulls have a ridiculously high level of perceived value of their own players. The offers are possibly somewhat fair and the Bulls are possibly unrealistic.

Orrrrrrrr, the offers are truly underwhelming.

I'm working under the assumption that the Bulls are confident that they can re-sign Deng this offseason. Any trade offer for Deng is viewed through this lens which means that the assets offered for Deng have to make the Bulls better over the next 3-5 years. With this in mind, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the offers were underwhelming.

[fleet]

KC just posted a story in the Tribute confirming this. Says the Bulls prefer to keep Deng and will not just dump him for salary reasons.

Also said any offers the Bulls have received are underwhelming.

We'll be the judge of underwhelming The Bulls have a ridiculously high level of perceived value of their own players. The offers are possibly somewhat fair and the Bulls are possibly unrealistic.

Orrrrrrrr, the offers are truly underwhelming.

I'm working under the assumption that the Bulls are confident that they can re-sign Deng this offseason. Any trade offer for Deng is viewed through this lens which means that the assets offered for Deng have to make the Bulls better over the next 3-5 years. With this in mind, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the offers were underwhelming.

Then you would have to qualify "underwhelming".

Look, we don't know any of this. But I sure don't trust the Bulls to have a realistic idea of market value for their own players. Or actual value for that matter.

[GoBlue72391]

And what's the big deal of having Parker, wiggins, or Exum playing SG? Lebron was a SG when he was first In the league. Rose, Parker, Deng, Mirotic, Noah.......c'mon.

LeBron actually started out playing PG for the Cavs as a rookie.

[Boardwalker]

We'll be the judge of underwhelming The Bulls have a ridiculously high level of perceived value of their own players. The offers are possibly somewhat fair and the Bulls are possibly unrealistic.

And the fans have ridiculously severe cases of "let's make a trade for the sake of making a trade" and "the grass is always greener". I tend to side with the FO, because they are 100x more informed than I am when it comes to hearing actual trade inquiries/offers.

[patagonia]

We'll be the judge of underwhelming The Bulls have a ridiculously high level of perceived value of their own players. The offers are possibly somewhat fair and the Bulls are possibly unrealistic.

Orrrrrrrr, the offers are truly underwhelming.

I'm working under the assumption that the Bulls are confident that they can re-sign Deng this offseason. Any trade offer for Deng is viewed through this lens which means that the assets offered for Deng have to make the Bulls better over the next 3-5 years. With this in mind, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the offers were underwhelming.

Then you would have to qualify "underwhelming".

Look, we don't know any of this. But I sure don't trust the Bulls to have a realistic idea of market value for their own players.

This place is ridiculous. We don't even know what the deals are and people are killing the FO for not taking them. They could be absolute crap but somehow it's still their fault for not making something happen.

And this place has a severe case of the "grass is always greener on the other side." Some of these guys people are salivating over are going to be busts and some of them may be good but never as good as Deng. Yes, maybe there is a franchise player in there but no one is trading an unprotected pick in this draft.

Even if the Bulls do want to trade Deng, they'd be better off waiting until the trade deadline where there would undoubtedly be better offers.

[fleet]

Orrrrrrrr, the offers are truly underwhelming.

I'm working under the assumption that the Bulls are confident that they can re-sign Deng this offseason. Any trade offer for Deng is viewed through this lens which means that the assets offered for Deng have to make the Bulls better over the next 3-5 years. With this in mind, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the offers were underwhelming.

Then you would have to qualify "underwhelming".

Look, we don't know any of this. But I sure don't trust the Bulls to have a realistic idea of market value for their own players.

This place is ridiculous. We don't even know what the deals are and people are killing the FO for not taking them. They could be absolute crap but somehow it's still their fault for not making something happen.

And this place has a severe case of the "grass is always greener on the other side." Some of these guys people are salivating over are going to be busts and some of them may be good but never as good as Deng. Yes, maybe there is a franchise player in there but no one is trading an unprotected pick in this draft.

Even if the Bulls do want to trade Deng, they'd be better off waiting until the trade deadline where there would undoubtedly be better offers.

This place is ridiculous? Well we know from your past posts you don't like tbe place, the mods, the ideas. Got anything of a solution of your own besides status quo keep keep chugging along? Talent dumping hospital ward treadmill that the Bulls are currently on. Because that's the ridiculous thing thats been proven failure for me.

[transplant]

Orrrrrrrr, the offers are truly underwhelming.

I'm working under the assumption that the Bulls are confident that they can re-sign Deng this offseason. Any trade offer for Deng is viewed through this lens which means that the assets offered for Deng have to make the Bulls better over the next 3-5 years. With this in mind, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the offers were underwhelming.

Then you would have to qualify "underwhelming".

Look, we don't know any of this. But I sure don't trust the Bulls to have a realistic idea of market value for their own players. Or actual value for that matter.

I did my best to define "underwhelming" in my post, that is, a trade proposal for Deng is underwhelming if it doesn't make the Bulls better over the next 3-5 years (versus keeping Deng).

It's clear that you don't trust the Bulls' FO and I understand that this makes things kinda tough for you, but there's really not much that can be done about it other than rattling around as noisily as you can.

[drosestruts]

Then you would have to qualify "underwhelming".

Look, we don't know any of this. But I sure don't trust the Bulls to have a realistic idea of market value for their own players.

This place is ridiculous. We don't even know what the deals are and people are killing the FO for not taking them. They could be absolute crap but somehow it's still their fault for not making something happen.

And this place has a severe case of the "grass is always greener on the other side." Some of these guys people are salivating over are going to be busts and some of them may be good but never as good as Deng. Yes, maybe there is a franchise player in there but no one is trading an unprotected pick in this draft.

Even if the Bulls do want to trade Deng, they'd be better off waiting until the trade deadline where there would undoubtedly be better offers.

This place is ridiculous? Well we know from your past posts you don't like tbe place, the mods, the ideas. Got anything of a solution of your own besides status quo keep keep chugging along? Talent dumping hospital ward treadmill that the Bulls are currently on. Because that's the ridiculous thing thats been proven failure for me.

I think re-signing Deng, adding two first rounders this year and bringing over Mirotic makes us better than any of the other rumored available scenarios. While that may be staying the course I believe it's a good path to be on.

[Red Larrivee]

Any trade offer for Deng is viewed through this lens which means that the assets offered for Deng have to make the Bulls better over the next 3-5 years.

You mean like a home run?

Bulls front office in one .gif:

[patagonia]

This place is ridiculous? Well we know from your past posts you don't like tbe place, the mods, the ideas. Got anything of a solution of your own besides status quo keep keep chugging along? Talent dumping treadmill that the Bulls are currently on. Because that's the ridiculous thing thats been proven failure for me.

I like this place because it has active discussions, but I find the overall sentiment here to be a bit too negative. And, yes, I do think some of that is fostered by the mods.

Before Rose went down against the 76ers, I think many expected them to have a legitimate shot against Miami that year. We could debate whether or not it would happen, but it certainly wasn't a laughable idea. Last year the team was in a holding pattern because they didn't know when Rose would return and whether or not he would be effective if/when he did so. As it stands, he didn't come back so over investing in last year wouldn't have made sense. Additionally, I had no issue with giving this group one last shot together this year. Didn't the Bulls have something like a .700 winning percentage when Rose/Deng/Boozer/Noah were in the starting lineup together? Why would you blow something like that up without giving it another go? So now Rose goes down again and the FO has some decisions to make and I'm sure they'll get to them at some point. But there is no need to make any desperation moves in a panic and blow the team up right now and get pennies on the dollar in return.