Is Zach LaVine a Winner?

drosereturn · Post #321 » by **drosereturn** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:21 am

dice wrote:lavine's all-star chances take a hit w/ non-all star caliber player trae young being named a starter

I mean for sake of Chicago, Rose making the all-star makes more sense since he can retire his number and make the HOF he was destined to. Lavine's time will come when he keeps improving 10% every year. Him making the allstar only gives him ego and pride.
Bulls trading for Rose and both of them making the allstar is best scenario but that is now very unlikely given that Chicago has no popularity at all from across the natino.

Stratmaster · Post #322 » by **Stratmaster** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 7:56 pm

ThreeMileAllan wrote:
Stratmaster wrote:
PaKii94 wrote:

It didn't have to be supermax or nothing. Even if Jimmy was on the supermax, if he could recruit another star (Kyrie/DMC where rumored to be close to him) then that would still be a win. Look at Houston, they have Westbrook on a supermax and they are still winning games. OKC has CP3 which will probably be a bad deal in the later years but they are still winning and have options to make moves. The NBA is always fluid while our FO seems to be stuck in the sand
By the 3rd year of a supermax they would have been paying Butler almost half the salary cap.

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It doesnt have to be the supermax

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Yeah. This is Jimmy G. (For gotta get mine) Butler we are talking about.

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PaKii94 · Post #323 » by **PaKii94** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 7:58 pm

Stratmaster wrote:
ThreeMileAllan wrote:
Stratmaster wrote:By the 3rd year of a supermax they would have been paying Butler almost half the salary cap.

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It doesnt have to be the supermax

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Yeah. This is Jimmy G. (For gotta get mine) Butler we are talking about.

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All his actions have been completely the opposite of what you're implying

Stratmaster · Post #324 » by **Stratmaster** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 7:58 pm

dice wrote:
SHO'NUFF wrote:
coldfish wrote:
Like Duck said, Minnesota's young guys don't have winning attitudes. Was right about Hoiberg and the lack of accountability for play in Chicago. His issues with coaching Philly are starting to look right.

Guy might be an abrasive jerk but the people he had issues with were core operational problems at each one of his stops. He was never the problem, just the guy willing to point the problems out.

I wouldn't say Jimmy was never the problem. He was never a good leader (as he saw himself as one). That is a problem. He never could figure out how to work with others.....just himself. He's an All Star, not a superstar and he never accepted that.

jimmy is a good leader to those willing to be led. as was proven in philly last season and in miami this season. an undeniable superstar in dwyane wade was perfectly willing to view jimmy as at least an equal in chicago. indeed, he embraced that relationship:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18183190/dwyane-wade-helping-shape-jimmy-butler-next-evolution

the problem in chicago was not that jimmy saw himself as a superstar. it's that others did not sufficiently value what he brought to the table. in focusing on jimmy's healthy ego, they exposed their own as fragile

whether he's a "legitimate" superstar or not, jimmy butler is both a better player and a better leader than many who are viewed as superstars

Wow. You have taken revisionist history to a whole new level.

Hey is that the same Wade that just said he can't wait to watch Lavine blossom over the next few seasons?

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Stratmaster · Post #325 » by **Stratmaster** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:01 pm

dice wrote:
Stratmaster wrote:
PaKii94 wrote:

It didn't have to be supermax or nothing. Even if Jimmy was on the supermax, if he could recruit another star (Kyrie/DMC where rumored to be close to him) then that would still be a win. Look at Houston, they have Westbrook on a supermax and they are still winning games. OKC has CP3 which will probably be a bad deal in the later years but they are still winning and have options to make moves. The NBA is always fluid while our FO seems to be stuck in the sand
By the 3rd year of a supermax they would have been paying Butler almost half the salary cap.

not even close. 8% annual increases are not much more than projected cap increases. cap hits over 5 seasons of someone earning the supermax starting this season, based on realgm's projected salary caps:

35
35.6
35.6
36.7
37.7

So you would have been ok with paying Butler 47 mil at age 32?

Whatever...

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Stratmaster · Post #326 » by **Stratmaster** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:11 pm

dice wrote:
SHO'NUFF wrote:
coldfish wrote:
Like Duck said, Minnesota's young guys don't have winning attitudes. Was right about Hoiberg and the lack of accountability for play in Chicago. His issues with coaching Philly are starting to look right.

Guy might be an abrasive jerk but the people he had issues with were core operational problems at each one of his stops. He was never the problem, just the guy willing to point the problems out.

I wouldn't say Jimmy was never the problem. He was never a good leader (as he saw himself as one). That is a problem. He never could figure out how to work with others.....just himself. He's an All Star, not a superstar and he never accepted that.

jimmy is a good leader to those willing to be led. as was proven in philly last season and in miami this season. an undeniable superstar in dwyane wade was perfectly willing to view jimmy as at least an equal in chicago. indeed, he embraced that relationship:

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18183190/dwyane-wade-helping-shape-jimmy-butler-next-evolution

the problem in chicago was not that jimmy saw himself as a superstar. it's that others did not sufficiently value what he brought to the table. in focusing on jimmy's healthy ego, they exposed their own as fragile

whether he's a "legitimate" superstar or not, jimmy butler is both a better player and a better leader than many who are viewed as superstars

https://heatnation.com/rumors/nba-players-didnt-vote-jimmy-butler-all-star-because-they-think-hes-annoying/

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Stratmaster · Post #327 » by **Stratmaster** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:11 pm

PaKii94 wrote:
Stratmaster wrote:
ThreeMileAllan wrote:It doesnt have to be the supermax

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Yeah. This is Jimmy G. (For gotta get mine) Butler we are talking about.

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All his actions have been completely the opposite of what you're implying

Really? How so?

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PaKii94 · Post #328 » by **PaKii94** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:20 pm

Stratmaster wrote:
PaKii94 wrote:
Stratmaster wrote:Yeah. This is Jimmy G. (For gotta get mine) Butler we are talking about.

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All his actions have been completely the opposite of what you're implying
Really? How so?

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How bout you tell me how Jimmy always has been "getting" his? Jimmy has always been about improving the team he's on.

Jcool0 · Post #329 » by **Jcool0** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:21 pm

PaKii94 wrote:
Stratmaster wrote:
PaKii94 wrote:
All his actions have been completely the opposite of what you're implying
Really? How so?

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How bout you tell me how Jimmy always has been "getting" his? Jimmy has always been about improving the team he's on.

lol that has never been what he has been about.

Stratmaster · Post #330 » by **Stratmaster** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:36 pm

PaKii94 wrote:
Stratmaster wrote:
PaKii94 wrote:
All his actions have been completely the opposite of what you're implying
Really? How so?

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How bout you tell me how Jimmy always has been "getting" his? Jimmy has always been about improving the team he's on.

Jimmy has always burned down the teams he is on. 3 so far. Do I really need to go back through it all? It's been discussed and documented on here for years now.

Things seem to be going ok for him in Miami. He has young guys who will put up wth his schtick, and has Bam there as a compliment. They wouldn't have in Chicago.

People need to quit rewriting the Butler saga. He seems to be where he should be. He shouldn't be in Chicago.

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Stratmaster · Post #331 » by **Stratmaster** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:37 pm

Jcool0 wrote:
PaKii94 wrote:
Stratmaster wrote:Really? How so?

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How bout you tell me how Jimmy always has been "getting" his? Jimmy has always been about improving the team he's on.

lol that has never been what he has been about.

IKR?

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Stratmaster · Post #332 » by **Stratmaster** » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:37 pm

PaKii94 wrote:
Stratmaster wrote:
PaKii94 wrote:
All his actions have been completely the opposite of what you're implying
Really? How so?

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How bout you tell me how Jimmy always has been "getting" his? Jimmy has always been about improving the team he's on.

https://heatnation.com/rumors/nba-players-didnt-vote-jimmy-butler-all-star-because-they-think-hes-annoying/

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Jcool0 · Post #333 » by **Jcool0** » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:21 pm

damn...

Read on Twitter

FriedRise · Post #334 » by **FriedRise** » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:22 pm

Wow no Zach or DRose. I’d take a vacation if I were Zach.

weneeda2guard · Post #335 » by **weneeda2guard** » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:27 pm

Lavine is probably going to mail it in now no reason to play

Post #336 » by **Payt10** » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:53 pm

Kyle Lowry is not an All Star. Middleton gets the Luol Deng All Star recognition by playing on a championship caliber team, even though nobody really looks at him like a true All Star. I get he's putting up good numbers, but he's got the easiest job in the league during the regular season while his team is just dominating everybody. Lavine and Beal have to carry their teams every night offensively just to have a chance at winning a game, and they're doing it while maintaining their efficiency. I think that's more impressive.

Just my two cents.

TheFinishSniper · Post #337 » by **TheFinishSniper** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:18 am

Zach if you reading this I am speaking to you directly. Be capable of winning games and you will be All-Star. I know one guy who wore Bulls jersey and made it capable bringing maybe $))=?"# Bulls ever to playoffs. If 25+ points isnt enough go for 35+ next year. If 5+ assists isnt enough go for 8+. If 56% TS isnt enough make it 65% next year. Become better, stronger, faster, smarter. Take this as a challenge.

Let nobody doubts you and make everyone believe you are that guy and deserve it. Dont go for All-Star challenge and make it Why I cant be MVP challenge.

World needs new Kobe. Take his death in this sad days as inspiration to fullfill that hole if you think you are worth it.

humble servant · Post #338 » by **humble servant** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:23 am

Really I want Zach off this team I really like him and these coache votes for winning teams really. The bulls organization sucks. Zach got black balled due to his mutiny against Boylen
Good old boy network it is an Alastair game
I will pay to go see Zach rose Booker ja morant

SHO'NUFF · Post #339 » by **SHO'NUFF** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:27 am

I'm OK with Zach not making it. Hopefully this will make him work harder on his weaknesses.

TheFinishSniper · Post #340 » by **TheFinishSniper** » Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:28 am

I also really hope he doesn't do dunk contest. He deserves to be recognized as more than just a dunker. Dont give them that privilege Zach.