Just Sad, "Chicago sees deadliest Memorial Day weekend in four years"

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Gonna leave this here before I go to bed. I genuinely think it'll lend some needed perspective.

Urban riots must now be recognized as durable social phenomena. They may be deplored, but they are there and should be understood. Urban riots are a special form of violence. They are not insurrections. The rioters are not seeking to seize territory or to attain control of institutions. They are mainly intended to shock the white community. They are a distorted form of social protest. The looting which is their principal feature serves many functions. It enables the most enraged and deprived Negro to take hold of consumer goods with the ease the white man does by using his purse. Often the Negro does not even want what he takes; he wants the experience of taking. But most of all, alienated from society and knowing that this society cherishes property above people, he is shocking it by abusing property rights. - MLK to the American Psychology Association, September 1967

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/04/what-martin-luther-king-thought-about-urban-riots/

[SHO'NUFF]

has nothing to do with what i said. encountering unexpected INDIVIDUALS on the highway is not remotely the same thing as seeing a mass of protesters. you see that coming. it's not a complicated concept


nobody here is encouraging anything, nor calling you crazy. you're delusional. i'd be concerned about somebody i care about protesting on a highway too. but you know what? i'd be more concerned about them protesting in a chaotic urban environment. a highway can't be burned down or looted. and you can see a car coming a hell of a lot better than a bullet

Don’t call me delusional when that’s clearly you.

Protesting on a highway man please. Do you.

do i what?

what do you call it when someone suggests that others are encouraging something that they didn't encourage? simple mistake or delusion?

what do you call it when someone thinks someone else called them crazy when it never happened? simple mistake or delusion?

because you did both of those things

“Id be more concerned about them protesting in a chaotic urban environment. a highway can't be burned down or looted. and you can see a car coming a hell of a lot better than a bullet“


Look at what you’re implying. A highway can’t be burned down or looted. So you would encourage a highway rather than somewhere else that YOU deem more dangerous. Well I say a highway is just as dangerous. Don’t tell me you’re not encouraging it...then come out and say it’s wrong to do instead of coming up ways around it. It’s really not that hard. Either you encourage it or you don’t. Pick one.

You post a whole history of what the highway was meant to do. Why? What was the point of that?

”encountering unexpected INDIVIDUALS on the highway is not remotely the same thing as seeing a mass of protesters. you see that coming. it's not a complicated concept”

“they're not just running into the highway without warning, dude. these things rarely result in people being hit by autos”

Why even quote me initially? I told another poster they can encourage it or even tell a loved one it’s okay. Then you chime in saying no one is encouraging it.

Then say you agree & no one is encouraging it and move on.

Like I said. Do you!

[League Circles]

I just went to the BLM website for the first time, wanting to give my respect to check out their platform and maybe find a petition I could agree with and sign. Was very disappointed to find that the demands and petition just amounted to a demand to defund the police. I genuinely think that's a terrible idea. The exact opposite of what I think should be done to solve the problem. I think we need big money for body cams, squad car cams, full independent backup of all the video, better training, better pay to attract better recruits, more cops, more money spent on internal affairs watching cops, etc etc. I couldn't sign the petition, cause I thought it would sabotage the goal. Anyone know of a better org that strives for the same general outcome of decreased police brutality?

[dice]

Do black lives matter more when they're ended by a white cop? That's what the revealed preferences of the outrage suggest.

false. once AGAIN, find video of a black man being killed by a black cop without reason. find a video of a white man being killed by ANYBODY without reason

If you die at the ends of a cop, you're a martyr and worth taking the streets for. If not, meh just a statistic forgotten tomorrow.

there are countless people killed. on a daily basis. only a small fraction are by cops. why the HELL would anybody take to the streets because of a random neighborhood shooting involving civilians unless it was due to insufficient policing or something?

what you're basically suggesting is that shootings should never be protested and if they are we should assume that there's an irrational agenda involved. which is beyond preposterous

And let not get into the lives of non-blacks murdered by police, or blacks killed by black cops. They receive nowhere near the attention of of the few blacks killed by white cops.

find the video or stop bringing it up. because there's a huge difference between someone being killed by a cop with cause as opposed to without cause. and black people sure do seem to be killed without cause with far more regularity

black lives matter. They matter when white cop ended them. To me that's kind of sad.

are you just trolling? seriously, why do you continue with this ignorant garbage?

anybody who cares about a black person being killed for no reason by a white cop also cares about a black person being killed for any reason whatsoever. the difference is that only deaths caused by the government are protested. whether that be police shootings or war protests. because there's otherwise nobody to protest TO. THERE'S NO POINT IN PROTESTING THE ACTIONS OF A CIVILIAN WHO IS APPREHENDED! whereas cops who kill people inappropriately are often let off the hook. how do you not understand the difference? literally everybody i have ever encountered in my life except you recognizes these extraordinarily basic concepts

[chitownsalesmen]

I just went to the BLM website for the first time, wanting to give my respect to check out their platform and maybe find a petition I could agree with and sign. Was very disappointed to find that the demands and petition just amounted to a demand to defund the police. I genuinely think that's a terrible idea. The exact opposite of what I think should be done to solve the problem. I think we need big money for body cams, squad car cams, full independent backup of all the video, better training, better pay to attract better recruits, more cops, more money spent on internal affairs watching cops, etc etc. I couldn't sign the petition, cause I thought it would sabotage the goal. Anyone know of a better org that strives for the same general outcome of decreased police brutality?

LEAP would be a good start that I could recommend.

[dice]

Don’t call me delusional when that’s clearly you.

Protesting on a highway man please. Do you.

do i what?

what do you call it when someone suggests that others are encouraging something that they didn't encourage? simple mistake or delusion?

what do you call it when someone thinks someone else called them crazy when it never happened? simple mistake or delusion?

because you did both of those things

“Id be more concerned about them protesting in a chaotic urban environment. a highway can't be burned down or looted. and you can see a car coming a hell of a lot better than a bullet“


Look at what you’re implying. A highway can’t be burned down or looted. So you would encourage a highway rather than somewhere else that YOU deem more dangerous. Well I say a highway is just as dangerous.

then you're wrong. factually. because people don't seem to get killed in these highway protests. and certainly not by being hit by automobiles

if your grown kid who no longer lived with you said that they were going to protest but hadn't decided between the one at the police station downtown or the one on the highway, if you failed to suggest to them that the one on the highway would be safer, you don't care about your kid's safety

Don’t tell me you’re not encouraging it...then come out and say it’s wrong to do instead of coming up ways around it. It’s really not that hard. Either you encourage it or you don’t. Pick one.

how do you not understand the difference between understanding something and encouraging it? i UNDERSTAND why people are protesting on the highway. i would never ENCOURAGE IT

get it? i sure hope so. because it really shouldn't be this tough to process

Like I said. Do you!

nobody knows what you mean by that in the context of this conversation, fella

[dice]

[Dresden]

By the way, WaPo started tracking police killings in 2015. What they found is that black people are killed by police about 2.5 more times than white people are, per capita. Hispanics are also killed about twice as often, per capita.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/

[SHO'NUFF]

By the way, WaPo started tracking police killings in 2015. What they found is that black people are killed by police about 2.5 more times than white people are, per capita. Hispanics are also killed about twice as often, per capita.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/

Unfortunately that’s probably because of high crime rate areas. More crime means more police shootings. Obviously not all those shootings are unjustified.

Also, what percentage of races are police killed by? I think it’s important to look at both sides. Which race is considered the most threat per capita, etc? Even if someone doesn’t want to hear it ... it’s just as important, no matter how you look at it. Police think about that too.

Coming up with a solution for inner cities is a complicated situation. It falls on local and state leadership...(which won’t do ****) but what they can do now is hold these police officers more accountable and stop them from being politically protected like they’ve been for many years for the killing unarmed people (blacks, Hispanics, white, etc). Especially people in inner cities! Don’t **** assume they’re a threat just because of where they live.

Maybe with more justice people will see more hope & that causes a chain reaction for something good.

Will it stop gang violence? Prob not. Baby steps.

[Dominator83]

I just went to the BLM website for the first time, wanting to give my respect to check out their platform and maybe find a petition I could agree with and sign. Was very disappointed to find that the demands and petition just amounted to a demand to defund the police. I genuinely think that's a terrible idea. The exact opposite of what I think should be done to solve the problem. I think we need big money for body cams, squad car cams, full independent backup of all the video, better training, better pay to attract better recruits, more cops, more money spent on internal affairs watching cops, etc etc. I couldn't sign the petition, cause I thought it would sabotage the goal. Anyone know of a better org that strives for the same general outcome of decreased police brutality?

I would say give them their wish. Pull the police out of their neighborhoods and see how that works out for them. Who knows, maybe it will. Supposedly crime rates fell during the NYC police strike. I don't think the cops would be heart broken either. Does anybody really think they WANT to have to work in those crime infested areas where even the good apples don't appreciate them and don't want them around? I'm sure the vast majority of cops, especially the non dirty ones, would much rather spend all day writing petty speeding tickets and the occasional domestic dispute calls.

[logical_art]

I'm tired of LeBron and his virtue signaling. He cares about social issues except when it will cost him (China vs HK). Why doesn't America love us? First, America doesn't love any one group of people. They love individuals though. Like you, and other black athletes who have made fortunes and won the hearts of millions. A few bad cops doesn't change that.

[SHO'NUFF]

16 dead, at least 30 injured in second straight weekend of violence in Chicago

https://apple.news/As0xzBUmLS9eRkjmJY_MZ_A

Officials in Chicago said Monday that the city registered 16 deaths and at least 30 injured in shootings across the region over the weekend.

No Justice...No Peace.

[SHO'NUFF]

I'm tired of LeBron and his virtue signaling. He cares about social issues except when it will cost him (China vs HK). Why doesn't America love us? First, America doesn't love any one group of people. They love individuals though. Like you, and other black athletes who have made fortunes and won the hearts of millions. A few bad cops doesn't change that.

Don’t even get me started on Lebron....I think it’s best I let this one go lol.

[Dominator83]

I'm tired of LeBron and his virtue signaling. He cares about social issues except when it will cost him (China vs HK). Why doesn't America love us? First, America doesn't love any one group of people. They love individuals though. Like you, and other black athletes who have made fortunes and won the hearts of millions. A few bad cops doesn't change that.

Yea Lebron is pretty...... Let's just say one-sided AF. When it comes to black issues, he says he's not gonna shut up and dribble. Which is fine I don't blame him for that. But when it comes to the subject of slavery in China, he tells Daryl Morey to shut up and GM. When being the social justice warrior that he is, should have echoed what Morey said

[chitownsalesmen]

I'm tired of LeBron and his virtue signaling. He cares about social issues except when it will cost him (China vs HK). Why doesn't America love us? First, America doesn't love any one group of people. They love individuals though. Like you, and other black athletes who have made fortunes and won the hearts of millions. A few bad cops doesn't change that.

Yea Lebron is pretty...... Let's just say one-sided AF. When it comes to black issues, he says he's not gonna shut up and dribble. Which is fine I don't blame him for that. But when it comes to the subject of slavery in China, he tells Daryl Morey to shut up and GM. When being the social justice warrior that he is, should have echoed what Morey said

Yeah straight up I defend LeBron basketball wise and even I was disgusted by his about face on China, so gross.

[Dominator83]

Posted this elsewhere:

Well part of the problem I imagine too is, I'm guessing that the talent pool for cops being hired isn't very deep. I mean, how desirable is it really, to be a police officer this day and age? It's dangerous AF and nobody appreciates you. Also, young people in general are less productive than our generation (I'm late 30s). Even at one of my jobs, which is a pretty idiot proof, 9 out of 10 young guys we try to bring in suck and/or just don't give effort. Me and the other old timers(I know I'm only 36 but been at that job 20 years, so yes I'm an old timer) always joke but not joke about how what is this place gonna do when us Veterans are gone? It's really not even funny it's effing sad.

And as we just saw over the weekend from both blacks and whites destroying their own backyards, this is our youth of America. Don't think very many are going to be productive people in the workforce. So yea, I'm gonna go with the talent pool for good strong police officers isn't gonna be getting better any time soon.

[TheSuzerain]

I'm tired of LeBron and his virtue signaling. He cares about social issues except when it will cost him (China vs HK). Why doesn't America love us? First, America doesn't love any one group of people. They love individuals though. Like you, and other black athletes who have made fortunes and won the hearts of millions. A few bad cops doesn't change that.

LeBron cares about black issues. This is very simple.

[GetBuLLish]

the audacity of him saying this when the nation is engulfed in protests and riots because a cop indiscriminately killed a black man. not the first video we have of this kind of thing either. yet he won't produce a video of a white person being indiscriminately killed by a cop. him calling others ignorant is rich

the vast majority of police shootings involve civilians attempting to attack somebody. these tend to be the situations where white people are killed by police. and white people are more likely to be armed when killed

it is almost exclusively white men who commit mass shootings, yet they are often apprehended alive. does anybody think that would be the case with black men, who have been videotaped being killed by white cops for anything from walking in the street to being suspected of having counterfeit money? does anybody really think that a group of black men with huge firearms would be tolerated at a civic building?

The amount of unadulterated ignorance in one post here is staggering.

I know Dice won't listen. But if someone's interested, let me know I can point out how damn near everything in this post is absolutely false.

[SHO'NUFF]

I'm tired of LeBron and his virtue signaling. He cares about social issues except when it will cost him (China vs HK). Why doesn't America love us? First, America doesn't love any one group of people. They love individuals though. Like you, and other black athletes who have made fortunes and won the hearts of millions. A few bad cops doesn't change that.

LeBron cares about black issues. This is very simple.

Which he has every right. He’s looking out for his people. But if he’s going to do that then he needs to stay quiet when others have issues with other social injustices like Hong Kong. If anyone should understand it’s Lebron, right? But no. It doesn’t fit his agenda.

[chitownsalesmen]

I'm tired of LeBron and his virtue signaling. He cares about social issues except when it will cost him (China vs HK). Why doesn't America love us? First, America doesn't love any one group of people. They love individuals though. Like you, and other black athletes who have made fortunes and won the hearts of millions. A few bad cops doesn't change that.

LeBron cares about black issues. This is very simple.

Which he has every right. He’s looking out for his people. But if he’s going to do that then he needs to stay quiet when others have issues with other social injustices like Hong Kong. If anyone should understand it’s Lebron, right? But no. It doesn’t fit his agenda.

Oof. I don't think LeBron would like being told to "stay quiet".

LeBron's agenda includes making money which speaking out against Hong Kong goes directly against.