NBA games postponed today p14 Players decide to resume Playoffs

[cjbulls]

The whole point of BLM is to get other groups not affected by the issue to take interest and make changes. It’s tough to ask others to support your plight while undermining another’s similar plight, and even tougher when the only reason you aren’t supporting that other plight is because it would hurt your millionaire bottom line.

Quite literally, in the past six months, I have not heard a single person care about this issue, nor do I know a single person who takes any meaningful steps towards fixing it. The only time it is ever referenced is when people are attacking the BLM movement. I have not heard it come up in any other context whatsoever.

It is my opinion that it is a completely irrelevant issue to virtually everyone in this country, something that if pushed in our faces we say "that is awful" and then proceed to do nothing to help afterwards or care about. I could be wrong about that of course, but that's my experience. Beyond that, those complaining about people not supporting China are universally also taking no steps to support China either but just are yelling at others for being hypocrites.

As far as I can tell the China comparison only exists for people whom are against the BLM movement in order to undermine the BLM movement as I have not heard it referenced in any other way at all since the riots were a big news item for a week or so.

You have not seen a single reference to BLM in the last six months? Surely you must mean something different.

Yes China is only brought up to knock the players supports of BLM. But it’s a valid criticism and it hurts their position.

Today’s stand down is another example. They care until it impacts their bottom line. Hard to take their concern as seriously. Everyone else needs to act, not them.

[JohnnyTapwater]

Now what does that mean? They have to break the NBA? How should the NBA be changed?

Do you understand whats going on objectively?

I do, just trying to figure out why you think platitudes are helpful at all. Explain yourself if you think there is some value there.

Assuming that you understand what I said:
You don't think it was clever way to illustrate that you get a billionaires attention, by effecting how much money they make?

Do I have to explain the value in understanding that, If a group wants any sort of change, target their wallets?
If a group does not feel heard. Don't you think it's a good idea to effect their pockets?

I believe that is a valuable idea. A valuable action. Something that can really get the ball rolling. Because I would like some sort of change in this world.

Continuing to postpone games seems effective if it were to be carried out further.

Do you want change in this world? I do.

If you want change. How would you go about it? How would you go about being heard?

[CBS7]

I understand you aren't arguing with me but I gotta say again, its different because "muslim" or "Islam" is not a concrete organization unlike PDs. And when a Muslim commits an undeniably evil and vile act, Muslims everywhere speak out against it. If they were part of a Muslim organization (at least a Western one), it is unlikely that that organization would scramble to defend the person. If they did, that organization could correctly be considered evil on some level.

It's pretty easy to just replace the Muslim religion with Islamic Priest that is encouraging terrorism. Does that make all Islamic priests bad?

Well, you're comparing the theoretical actions of one individual with the actual actions of entire organizations. And still, I'd argue that if more than a few Islamic scholars were advocating terrorism, the ones that didn't counter them would be bad.

I don't fully agree with ACAB but I kinda understand it. If you're a member of a PD that is actively trying to cover up/justify/make excuses for an unjust practices by police officers, and you don't actively speak out against it, that makes you compliant. Even if you are a genuinely good-natured and outwardly kind officer. Staying silent is obviously not as bad as killing people, but its pretty bad. I understand its hard to do. Its their livelihood and brotherhood. They would likely be ousted by their peers if they called attention to it and spoke out against it. But that only furthers the point that some PDs are rotten to the core, and they don't allow the truly good cops to even be good cops.

[wonderboy2]

Women, probably not. Men, very possible.

There are sh*tty cops out there. You can find countless incidents of white guys getting shot by the cops in eerily similar circumstances to the high-profile cases that get publicized.

I'm sorry, but this is bull. If it was white people in general, the cops are NOT reacting that way. Period. The cognitive dissonance is real.

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13% of the population commits 50% of the country's murders and robberies. A behavior based on statistical analysis.

It's possible that underreported and unsolved murders and robberies by other demographics could skew the data if these instances are in a large volume. It's also possible that lawyers are more likely to reach plea agreements than go to trial for a certain demographic, which could also skew the data if these instances are in a large volume. However, this is the data we have. Is this systemic racism or statistical racism?

Is there a culture issue that glorifies criminality and thug behavior over staying straight and pursuing higher education? Do some communities of a certain demographic throw huge parties for those who just got out of prison but not do the same for those who just received a college or postgraduate degree?

Man while some of that is true. It’s a very small percentage of black people that glorify thug behavior and prison life. Most black people in these neighborhoods just want to work and provide for their family but just don’t have the education and resources to get ahead. So they have to live in these poverty areas with gangs and thugs. You will find that most would work if they could find jobs but can’t. Now there are some bad apples in these neighborhoods and they are the ones causing trouble. Then you have the young Teens or young adults that want to work but jobs won’t hire them because they are young and black and they get frustrated and start dealing drugs. It’s a messed up situation. But to say that a certain demographic glorifies thug life is just more proof that people are clueless about the black communities and get there information from media and TV.

[cjbulls]

Do you understand whats going on objectively?

I do, just trying to figure out why you think platitudes are helpful at all. Explain yourself if you think there is some value there.

Assuming that you understand what I said:
You don't think it was clever way to illustrate that you get a billionaires attention, by effecting how much money they make?

Do I have to explain the value in understanding that, If a group wants any sort of change, target their wallets?
If a group does not feel heard. Don't you think it's a good idea to effect their pockets?

I believe that is a valuable idea. A valuable action. Something that can really get the ball rolling. Because I would like some sort of change in this world.

Continuing to postpone games seems effective if it were to be carried out further.

Do you want change in this world? I do.

If you want change. How would you go about it? How would you go about being heard?

I don’t go about it by postponing Wednesday’s games til Friday. They wanted to take a stand, and I applaud them for it, if they make an actual stand.

[HomoSapien]

Just remove the ability of police to collectively bargain. That's by far the best possible outcome to actually fixing the root cause of the policing issue.

I can get on board with that. I don't really see a need for collective bargaining by any public employees, only due to the democratic process that gets them hired in the first place (indirectly), and the lack of profit motive for their employers.

I think step #1 is full time body cams and mics though.

Take a wild guess at what is preventing step #1.

The police union.

And this gets at why the whole "90% of cops are good!" take is useless. If there are that many good cops, then why are the unions how they are?

The reality of it is that cops are mostly like any other population. 10-15% bad, 10-15% good, and 70-80% that just goes with the flow (hint: the flow within law enforcement usually involves fear-mongering).

Agreed. I can't agree with the 90% of cops are good argument when police brutality has become so rampent. We rarely hear a meaningful denouncement from police forces. Remember the 75-year-old activist who was pushed down by Buffalo police? They all walked passed him rather than treating him and his bleeding skull. Was that "good" police conduct? What happened when several of the cops were suspended for the incident? 57 resigned in solidarity saying they were just following orders. You know who else claimed they were just following orders?

What about on Swann Street? 70 protestors were tear gassed inside of man's house DURING an airborne pandemic.

In Missouri, Black drivers are 91% more likely to be pulled over. It's so bad over there that the NAACP had to issue a travel advisory. In Kansas City (which is 75% white), Black drivers were pulled over nearly 300% more often. In 2006, the FBI released a redacted report that said white supremacists had infiltrated law enforcement. To my knowledge, that report was never fully released to the public.

In 2020, after all we've seen over and over again, I can't get behind the bad apple argument. And I think it's worth reminding people that the full phrase is one bad apple spoils the barrel.

[dougthonus]

I can get on board with that. I don't really see a need for collective bargaining by any public employees, only due to the democratic process that gets them hired in the first place (indirectly), and the lack of profit motive for their employers.

I think step #1 is full time body cams and mics though.

Take a wild guess at what is preventing step #1.

The police union.

And this gets at why the whole "90% of cops are good!" take is useless. If there are that many good cops, then why are the unions how they are?

The reality of it is that cops are mostly like any other population. 10-15% bad, 10-15% good, and 70-80% that just goes with the flow (hint: the flow within law enforcement usually involves fear-mongering).

I stopped arguing in this thread, but I did want to say, I think this is a really good point, and it does shift my perspective some, so thank you.

[wonderboy2]

Man reading this board is a real eye opener. It’s shocking how little people are aware of what goes on in these communities. But I shouldn’t be because I think this board is mainly European based, so all people have to rely on is the media and inaccurate statistics. I’m reading these comments and I see only a few people that actually have some insight on what happens in these communities. Some people think that the police act the same way they do in their communities than they do in African American communities. There have been instances where the police would arrest a person drive them to a hot area where there is a lot of violence and leave them in that area for that person to survive for themselves.

[League Circles]

FWIW, people aren't good or bad. Actions are. Peace.

[Phu317]

I am a basketball fan. I support black lives matter (not the organization). I also support blue lives matter. I believe in fairness and justice. Although I am a minority, I view myself as an American. I don’t view myself as anything else. I would like to know how long these players will protest to...please cancel this season and continue to protest. They will protest as far as it doesn’t affect their pockets. Look at the Hong Kong situation. These guys are nothing but talk.

[TheStig]

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Holy$hit! That is crazy. I can't believe he is charge of running the police department in any city, let alone such a diverse one like Kenosha. Those statements are just very wrong on every level.

He is not alone. At least 40-50 percent of the country think like this.

In 2020.

I think there is a big difference between some rural dude or suburbanite who doesn't deal with minorities being racist than the guy in a highly divirsified county that is running the police. It's like being threatened by a paper bag or a bazooka. One is a threat and the other is destructive beyond any other normal means.

[FecesOfDeath]

Do you understand whats going on objectively?

I do, just trying to figure out why you think platitudes are helpful at all. Explain yourself if you think there is some value there.

Assuming that you understand what I said:
You don't think it was clever way to illustrate that you get a billionaires attention, by effecting how much money they make?

Do I have to explain the value in understanding that, If a group wants any sort of change, target their wallets?
If a group does not feel heard. Don't you think it's a good idea to effect their pockets?

I believe that is a valuable idea. A valuable action. Something that can really get the ball rolling. Because I would like some sort of change in this world.

Continuing to postpone games seems effective if it were to be carried out further.

Do you want change in this world? I do.

If you want change. How would you go about it? How would you go about being heard?

Most of these billionaire owners built their wealth from something other than basketball or sports in general. The teams they own are essentially pet projects.

Would they get annoyed if the balance sheet of their teams are in the red? Probably.

Would they be sweating bullets worrying about their children's Ivy League college funds because of a cancelled NBA season? Very likely not.

[CBS7]

I am a basketball fan. I support black lives matter (not the organization). I also support blue lives matter. I believe in fairness and justice. Although I am a minority, I view myself as an American. I don’t view myself as anything else. I would like to know how long these players will protest to...please cancel this season and continue to protest. They will protest as far as it doesn’t affect their pockets. Look at the Hong Kong situation. These guys are nothing but talk.

HK/China always gets brought up but it isn't really fair to NBA players. I wish they would speak out against all injustice but it isn't their responsibility. It is understandable why some young black men in America want to speak out against injustice towards.... young black men in America, but choose not to dabble in foreign affairs which some of them probably have no connection to or understanding of. Especially when some of them have directly experienced that injustice themselves.

Sure, some of it may be money/greed. But they also just relate to some issues more.

[R3AL1TY]

I've never seen people not showing up to work cause laws or even people to change for issues not related to their jobs.

You have seen people not showing up for work create change though. People very rarely take that level of personal risk if they aren't trying to benefit themselves, but we have all seen work stoppages impact society.

Not for unrelated issues like police brutality. If it's related to the job itself like wanting better working conditions or better pay, this is where I see boycotts/strikes against a job work. As a matter of fact, the players are already changing their stance on not playing already.

To me, putting pressure on local mayors to improve policies for the police would get things done.

These boycotts have done exactly this.

Where? The only area I see some pressure for change are local protests and riots like down here in Atlanta for the Rayshard Brooks incident where the mayor placed administrative orders for police reform. https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/06/15/877626399/in-wake-of-rayshard-brooks-killing-atlanta-mayor-orders-police-department-reform

[Magilla_Gorilla]

I'm sorry, but this is bull. If it was white people in general, the cops are NOT reacting that way. Period. The cognitive dissonance is real.

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13% of the population commits 50% of the country's murders and robberies. A behavior based on statistical analysis.

It's possible that underreported and unsolved murders and robberies by other demographics could skew the data if these instances are in a large volume. It's also possible that lawyers are more likely to reach plea agreements than go to trial for a certain demographic, which could also skew the data if these instances are in a large volume. However, this is the data we have. Is this systemic racism or statistical racism?

Is there a culture issue that glorifies criminality and thug behavior over staying straight and pursuing higher education? Do some communities of a certain demographic throw huge parties for those who just got out of prison but not do the same for those who just received a college or postgraduate degree?

I didn't realize Brian Urlacher had an account here.

[JohnnyTapwater]

I do, just trying to figure out why you think platitudes are helpful at all. Explain yourself if you think there is some value there.

Assuming that you understand what I said:
You don't think it was clever way to illustrate that you get a billionaires attention, by effecting how much money they make?

Do I have to explain the value in understanding that, If a group wants any sort of change, target their wallets?
If a group does not feel heard. Don't you think it's a good idea to effect their pockets?

I believe that is a valuable idea. A valuable action. Something that can really get the ball rolling. Because I would like some sort of change in this world.

Continuing to postpone games seems effective if it were to be carried out further.

Do you want change in this world? I do.

If you want change. How would you go about it? How would you go about being heard?

Most of these billionaire owners built their wealth from something other than basketball or sports in general. The teams they own are essentially pet projects.

Would they get annoyed if the balance sheet of their teams are in the red? Probably.

Would they be sweating bullets worrying about their children's Ivy League college funds because of a cancelled NBA season? Very likely not.

I'm a firm believer that the upper echelon care much more about money than they do race...

To me, the greed for more money would outweigh the stubbornness that's keeping them from making the right calls behind the scenes in earnest.

[FecesOfDeath]

I'm sorry, but this is bull. If it was white people in general, the cops are NOT reacting that way. Period. The cognitive dissonance is real.

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13% of the population commits 50% of the country's murders and robberies. A behavior based on statistical analysis.

It's possible that underreported and unsolved murders and robberies by other demographics could skew the data if these instances are in a large volume. It's also possible that lawyers are more likely to reach plea agreements than go to trial for a certain demographic, which could also skew the data if these instances are in a large volume. However, this is the data we have. Is this systemic racism or statistical racism?

Is there a culture issue that glorifies criminality and thug behavior over staying straight and pursuing higher education? Do some communities of a certain demographic throw huge parties for those who just got out of prison but not do the same for those who just received a college or postgraduate degree?

Man while some of that is true. It’s a very small percentage of black people that glorify thug behavior and prison life. Most black people in these neighborhoods just want to work and provide for their family but just don’t have the education and resources to get ahead. So they have to live in these poverty areas with gangs and thugs. You will find that most would work if they could find jobs but can’t. Now there are some bad apples in these neighborhoods and they are the ones causing trouble. Then you have the young Teens or young adults that want to work but jobs won’t hire them because they are young and black and they get frustrated and start dealing drugs. It’s a messed up situation. But to say that a certain demographic glorifies thug life is just more proof that people are clueless about the black communities and get there information from media and TV.

Yep. It's a sad truth for the honest folks living in those communities. And it's those honest folks who do know how to comply with authority. And it will be those honest folks who've been blindly voting Democrat since 1968 who will decide when it's time for a change.

[musiqsoulchild]

Holy$hit! That is crazy. I can't believe he is charge of running the police department in any city, let alone such a diverse one like Kenosha. Those statements are just very wrong on every level.

He is not alone. At least 40-50 percent of the country think like this.

In 2020.

I think there is a big difference between some rural dude or suburbanite who doesn't deal with minorities being racist than the guy in a highly divirsified county that is running the police. It's like being threatened by a paper bag or a bazooka. One is a threat and the other is destructive beyond any other normal means.

Our representatives represent us.

From the President onwards.

The more we want to define the racism in this country as being a smallish problem of a few skinheads and neo nazi's...the more powerful racists get.

[jc23]

Man reading this board is a real eye opener. It’s shocking how little people are aware of what goes on in these communities. But I shouldn’t be because I think this board is mainly European based, so all people have to rely on is the media and inaccurate statistics. I’m reading these comments and I see only a few people that actually have some insight on what happens in these communities. Some people think that the police act the same way they do in their communities than they do in African American communities. There have been instances where the police would arrest a person drive them to a hot area where there is a lot of violence and leave them in that area for that person to survive for themselves.

BLM has gotten more support then most movements in recent memory. Your never going to get everyone on board for anything, some people wont wear a mask even though their own health is at risk.

[FecesOfDeath]

Man reading this board is a real eye opener. It’s shocking how little people are aware of what goes on in these communities. But I shouldn’t be because I think this board is mainly European based, so all people have to rely on is the media and inaccurate statistics. I’m reading these comments and I see only a few people that actually have some insight on what happens in these communities. Some people think that the police act the same way they do in their communities than they do in African American communities. There have been instances where the police would arrest a person drive them to a hot area where there is a lot of violence and leave them in that area for that person to survive for themselves.

BLM has gotten more support then most movements in recent memory. Your never going to get everyone on board for anything, some people wont wear a mask even though their own health is at risk.

Not gonna lie, but the Tea Party movement had far more support, and most of their supporters had real working jobs they had to go back to in between rallies.