Josh Giddey Thread 2.0

[Red8911]

Find it odd that no bulls insider has reported anything about these Bulls and Giddey negotiations since FA started.

Are they close are they not ? Will it take a few min to agree or another month ? Who knows.

[othawhitemeat]

Im all about not going overboard on contract, but what the heck is going on. I hope we dont go too low either. AKME does not have a clue.

Bulls are pretty boring in general during offseason or in general w no real plan.

[KissedByaRose1]

He posted an hour glass on his insta like a huge dweeb a few hours ago. He might even understand the RFA rules worse than Arturas, which is really saying something.

Hey Josh, if you want a better offer go out and get it. You can talk to whoever you want/sign anywhere to get the money you think you deserve and we'd be forced to pay you the same or let you go.

is AKME finally negotiating intelligently? Hard to imagine but maybeeeeeee. He's worth 4 years 80 million, i'd pay him 4 for 100 at most. Any higher and i just have him sign the QO and trade him for a 1st at deadline. We're tanking this seasons and Sam Presti didnt want this guy on a contender, if he walks, he walks.

[Dez]

He posted an hour glass on his insta like a huge dweeb a few hours ago. He might even understand the RFA rules worse than Arturas, which is really saying something.

Hey Josh, if you want a better offer go out and get it. You can talk to whoever you want/sign anywhere to get the money you think you deserve and we'd be forced to pay you the same or let you go.

is AKME finally negotiating intelligently? Hard to imagine but maybeeeeeee. He's worth 4 years 80 million, i'd pay him 4 for 100 at most. Any higher and i just have him sign the QO and trade him for a 1st at deadline. We're tanking this seasons and Sam Presti didnt want this guy on a contender, if he walks, he walks.

What is this incoherent rambling? All because he posted an hourglass? Christ almighty.

He asked Presti to trade him because he wanted more responsibility and he was behind an MVP.

Also nobody is trading a 1st for a guy on QO about to become an UFA.

He's worth more than 4/80 that's ridiculous.

[kulaz3000]

He posted an hour glass on his insta like a huge dweeb a few hours ago. He might even understand the RFA rules worse than Arturas, which is really saying something.

Hey Josh, if you want a better offer go out and get it. You can talk to whoever you want/sign anywhere to get the money you think you deserve and we'd be forced to pay you the same or let you go.

is AKME finally negotiating intelligently? Hard to imagine but maybeeeeeee. He's worth 4 years 80 million, i'd pay him 4 for 100 at most. Any higher and i just have him sign the QO and trade him for a 1st at deadline. We're tanking this seasons and Sam Presti didnt want this guy on a contender, if he walks, he walks.

This post is alarming, and hilarious at the same time.

[KissedByaRose1]

He posted an hour glass on his insta like a huge dweeb a few hours ago. He might even understand the RFA rules worse than Arturas, which is really saying something.

Hey Josh, if you want a better offer go out and get it. You can talk to whoever you want/sign anywhere to get the money you think you deserve and we'd be forced to pay you the same or let you go.

is AKME finally negotiating intelligently? Hard to imagine but maybeeeeeee. He's worth 4 years 80 million, i'd pay him 4 for 100 at most. Any higher and i just have him sign the QO and trade him for a 1st at deadline. We're tanking this seasons and Sam Presti didnt want this guy on a contender, if he walks, he walks.

This post is alarming, and hilarious at the same time.

I think you summed up our last 8 years quite well.

[KissedByaRose1]

He posted an hour glass on his insta like a huge dweeb a few hours ago. He might even understand the RFA rules worse than Arturas, which is really saying something.

Hey Josh, if you want a better offer go out and get it. You can talk to whoever you want/sign anywhere to get the money you think you deserve and we'd be forced to pay you the same or let you go.

is AKME finally negotiating intelligently? Hard to imagine but maybeeeeeee. He's worth 4 years 80 million, i'd pay him 4 for 100 at most. Any higher and i just have him sign the QO and trade him for a 1st at deadline. We're tanking this seasons and Sam Presti didnt want this guy on a contender, if he walks, he walks.

What is this incoherent rambling? All because he posted an hourglass? Christ almighty.

He asked Presti to trade him because he wanted more responsibility and he was behind an MVP.

Also nobody is trading a 1st for a guy on QO about to become an UFA.

He's worth more than 4/80 that's ridiculous.

He’s one of the worst defensive players in the league to play big minutes and is an inconsistent 3 point shooter. I like a lot about his offensive skillset but the player he is currently isn’t a guy who you can have success with deep in the playoffs. Him whining on social media about us needing to hurry up and pay him is comical. Worth noting no one else has offered him 4 years for 120 million or any kind of big deal forcing us to match.

Sure that would tie up a teams cap space for a few days but most of the big names in FA are already gone. No one wants him really bad because of the flaws I mentioned above. Hope we play some real hardball here and stick to 4 years 80 million.

[madvillian]

He's flawed, he's improving, we need to resign him, there's no rush, he doesn't have a ton of options, we have all the leverage. All those are true statements. For once we're in a decent position with a RFA.

[_txchilibowl_]

Im all about not going overboard on contract, but what the heck is going on. I hope we dont go too low either. AKME does not have a clue.

Bulls are pretty boring in general during offseason or in general w no real plan.

Sooo....not too high, but not too low? Neither of which have happened yet. But don't let that stop you from taking another dump on AKME for no apparent reason.

Be honest... It doesn't matter what happens with Giddey you're going to hate on it regardless. Feels like the majority of the board just wants to bitch and moan while not having any clue about what they're bitching and moaning about. It's exhausting.

[GoBlue72391]

I like Giddey, but I don't like the idea of building a team around guys who have been A) unplayable in the playoffs or at best B) easily neutralized in the playoffs.

Giddey, Coby, Pat, and Vuc all fit that label. What do 3 of those 4 guys have in common? They're piss poor defenders.

[KissedByaRose1]

He's flawed, he's improving, we need to resign him, there's no rush, he doesn't have a ton of options, we have all the leverage. All those are true statements. For once we're in a decent position with a RFA.

I like the idea of having a true point guard/playmaker with Giddey's vision as part of the youth movement we're building. Him running with Matas and Noa is exactly what we need for their offensive development, and we'd be a team without any real ball stoppers. Winning 25 games with this group would be five times more fun than the last three seasons with our previous core.

That said, he's a flawed player—and with every owner in the league panicking over the new CBA, we're in a perfect position to land a value contract for a 22-year-old. It would be great if AKME could capitalize on that, especially considering how we mishandled P-Will's extension last summer (which might be the worst contract in the NBA right now, aside from Bradley Beal's).

[Indomitable]

He posted an hour glass on his insta like a huge dweeb a few hours ago. He might even understand the RFA rules worse than Arturas, which is really saying something.

Hey Josh, if you want a better offer go out and get it. You can talk to whoever you want/sign anywhere to get the money you think you deserve and we'd be forced to pay you the same or let you go.

is AKME finally negotiating intelligently? Hard to imagine but maybeeeeeee. He's worth 4 years 80 million, i'd pay him 4 for 100 at most. Any higher and i just have him sign the QO and trade him for a 1st at deadline. We're tanking this seasons and Sam Presti didnt want this guy on a contender, if he walks, he walks.

What is this incoherent rambling? All because he posted an hourglass? Christ almighty.

He asked Presti to trade him because he wanted more responsibility and he was behind an MVP.

Also nobody is trading a 1st for a guy on QO about to become an UFA.

He's worth more than 4/80 that's ridiculous.

Everybody get out and enjoy the summer. People are getting worked up over nothing.

[Pipp33]

The narrative around Giddey's defense has got out of hand by some.

He is absolutely an adequate defender. Will he get blown by at times..yes. And watch an NBA game and see how many times that happens to the majority of the league. He puts in effort, rebounds very well and reads the game , so finds himself in the right spots to recover most of the time.

His last season in OKC has been used by far too many to show what player they think Giddey is......OKC used him completely differently that season because SGA was turning into MVP SGA and Jalen Williams had taken another step in his progression and became OKC's secondary playmaker.

Both these guys are ALL NBA players, so Giddey was put into a role that does not suit his game at all, and what did hew do, he sucked it up and did what was best for the team, with extremely difficult personal stuff going on in the background as well , at 20/21 yrs old. No team disruption, was a great teammate throughout the season and when the time came, asked to be moved because he knew he needed a fresh opportunity to play his game.

He took a little while to settle in Chicago, but the rotations were all over the place in the first half of the season, especially when Lavine was playing. Once his role was more defined, post Lavine trade, he flourished. His defense was fine, and his shooting has improved every season. There's so many players shooting it at a worse % than Giddey, but there's this constant narrative that he can't shoot. I don't see him ever being a lights out scorer/shooter, but he's more than enough for the role he's playing.

He's worth the 30mil/yr valuation IMO

[GoBlue72391]

He posted an hour glass on his insta like a huge dweeb a few hours ago. He might even understand the RFA rules worse than Arturas, which is really saying something.

Hey Josh, if you want a better offer go out and get it. You can talk to whoever you want/sign anywhere to get the money you think you deserve and we'd be forced to pay you the same or let you go.

is AKME finally negotiating intelligently? Hard to imagine but maybeeeeeee. He's worth 4 years 80 million, i'd pay him 4 for 100 at most. Any higher and i just have him sign the QO and trade him for a 1st at deadline. We're tanking this seasons and Sam Presti didnt want this guy on a contender, if he walks, he walks.

What is this incoherent rambling? All because he posted an hourglass? Christ almighty.

He asked Presti to trade him because he wanted more responsibility and he was behind an MVP.

Also nobody is trading a 1st for a guy on QO about to become an UFA.

He's worth more than 4/80 that's ridiculous.

He’s one of the worst defensive players in the league to play big minutes and is an inconsistent 3 point shooter. I like a lot about his offensive skillset but the player he is currently isn’t a guy who you can have success with deep in the playoffs. Him whining on social media about us needing to hurry up and pay him is comical. Worth noting no one else has offered him 4 years for 120 million or any kind of big deal forcing us to match.

Sure that would tie up a teams cap space for a few days but most of the big names in FA are already gone. No one wants him really bad because of the flaws I mentioned above. Hope we play some real hardball here and stick to 4 years 80 million.

Posting an hourglass...how do you know that's him saying "Hurry up and pay me!"?

Maybe it means it's only a matter of time before the deal is announced? Or maybe it has nothing to do with the Bulls at all?

You seem to possess a clairvoyance that is unparalleled around these parts, so please tell us what this all means.

[nomorezorro]

giddey's defense, much like almost every aspect of his play, varied so wildly over the course of the last season that i don't know how anyone could say with certainty how they expect him to perform going forward.

sometimes he looked brutal, sometimes he looked like he was trying hard but was still pretty bad, sometimes he looked downright solid. there was the lakers game where he was shutting down luka and had 8 steals somehow. who knows what you get over the course of the next contract

[GoBlue72391]

I've just learned to accept that no one knows what they're talking about when discussing a player's defense, and numbers are even worse for that end of the court. I see such a huge variance in opinions on our players' defense that it means almost nothing.

Ask 10 people their opinion on Coby's defense for example and you'll get 10 different answers ranging from "One of the worst in the league" to "He's improved so much on that end over the years."

And Coby's just an example. The same could be said about Giddey, Vuc, Pat, etc.

[Dez]

He posted an hour glass on his insta like a huge dweeb a few hours ago. He might even understand the RFA rules worse than Arturas, which is really saying something.

Hey Josh, if you want a better offer go out and get it. You can talk to whoever you want/sign anywhere to get the money you think you deserve and we'd be forced to pay you the same or let you go.

is AKME finally negotiating intelligently? Hard to imagine but maybeeeeeee. He's worth 4 years 80 million, i'd pay him 4 for 100 at most. Any higher and i just have him sign the QO and trade him for a 1st at deadline. We're tanking this seasons and Sam Presti didnt want this guy on a contender, if he walks, he walks.

What is this incoherent rambling? All because he posted an hourglass? Christ almighty.

He asked Presti to trade him because he wanted more responsibility and he was behind an MVP.

Also nobody is trading a 1st for a guy on QO about to become an UFA.

He's worth more than 4/80 that's ridiculous.

He’s one of the worst defensive players in the league to play big minutes and is an inconsistent 3 point shooter. I like a lot about his offensive skillset but the player he is currently isn’t a guy who you can have success with deep in the playoffs. Him whining on social media about us needing to hurry up and pay him is comical. Worth noting no one else has offered him 4 years for 120 million or any kind of big deal forcing us to match.

Sure that would tie up a teams cap space for a few days but most of the big names in FA are already gone. No one wants him really bad because of the flaws I mentioned above. Hope we play some real hardball here and stick to 4 years 80 million.

He improved significantly as a shooter and defender over the course of the season, does he still need improvement? Absolutely, but he's not one of the worst defenders in the league, he's not even the worst defender in our backcourt.

Where did he whine? You're making these assumptions from an instagram post of an hourglass.

Worth noting that nobody has offered him a 4/120? It's also worth noting that the league has a salary cap and if you don't have space in your salary cap then you can't offer that contract.

4/80 is ridiculous unders and would make the Bulls look horrible to future FAs.

4/100 would be perfect for Chicago.

[meekrab]

Find it odd that no bulls insider has reported anything about these Bulls and Giddey negotiations since FA started.

Are they close are they not ? Will it take a few min to agree or another month ? Who knows.

Chuck Swirksy tweeted (and has since deleted) on Monday night that 1) Bulls employees are forbidden from talking about free agency and 2) he was "very happy".

I should've taken a screenshot but I did post in the T&T board when it happened.

[KissedByaRose1]

What is this incoherent rambling? All because he posted an hourglass? Christ almighty.

He asked Presti to trade him because he wanted more responsibility and he was behind an MVP.

Also nobody is trading a 1st for a guy on QO about to become an UFA.

He's worth more than 4/80 that's ridiculous.

He’s one of the worst defensive players in the league to play big minutes and is an inconsistent 3 point shooter. I like a lot about his offensive skillset but the player he is currently isn’t a guy who you can have success with deep in the playoffs. Him whining on social media about us needing to hurry up and pay him is comical. Worth noting no one else has offered him 4 years for 120 million or any kind of big deal forcing us to match.

Sure that would tie up a teams cap space for a few days but most of the big names in FA are already gone. No one wants him really bad because of the flaws I mentioned above. Hope we play some real hardball here and stick to 4 years 80 million.

He improved significantly as a shooter and defender over the course of the season, does he still need improvement? Absolutely, but he's not one of the worst defenders in the league, he's not even the worst defender in our backcourt.

Where did he whine? You're making these assumptions from an instagram post of an hourglass.

Worth noting that nobody has offered him a 4/120? It's also worth noting that the league has a salary cap and if you don't have space in your salary cap then you can't offer that contract.

4/80 is ridiculous unders and would make the Bulls look horrible to future FAs.

4/100 would be perfect for Chicago.

I'm OK with 4 and 100! 30 a year i say hell no.

IDK what improvement on D you're talking about. I saw a guy who missed rotations all the time and seemingly doesn't have the attention span to stay with his man for 35 minutes a game. I understand physically he's never going to make an all defense team but he is constantly out of position and has real trouble even focusing for the full 24 second shot clock while on D which is inexcusable in my book. He's a guy every single night who's going to be attacked in P/R so that's going to at least have to improve to below average before we can consider him a guy we could survive multiple rounds with in the playoffs.

A rim protecting C would help this a ton which is why i really hope we trade Vooch.

[jnrjr79]

He’s one of the worst defensive players in the league to play big minutes and is an inconsistent 3 point shooter. I like a lot about his offensive skillset but the player he is currently isn’t a guy who you can have success with deep in the playoffs. Him whining on social media about us needing to hurry up and pay him is comical. Worth noting no one else has offered him 4 years for 120 million or any kind of big deal forcing us to match.

Sure that would tie up a teams cap space for a few days but most of the big names in FA are already gone. No one wants him really bad because of the flaws I mentioned above. Hope we play some real hardball here and stick to 4 years 80 million.

He improved significantly as a shooter and defender over the course of the season, does he still need improvement? Absolutely, but he's not one of the worst defenders in the league, he's not even the worst defender in our backcourt.

Where did he whine? You're making these assumptions from an instagram post of an hourglass.

Worth noting that nobody has offered him a 4/120? It's also worth noting that the league has a salary cap and if you don't have space in your salary cap then you can't offer that contract.

4/80 is ridiculous unders and would make the Bulls look horrible to future FAs.

4/100 would be perfect for Chicago.

I'm OK with 4 and 100! 30 a year i say hell no.

IDK what improvement on D you're talking about. I saw a guy who missed rotations all the time and seemingly doesn't have the attention span to stay with his man for 35 minutes a game. I understand physically he's never going to make an all defense team but he is constantly out of position and has real trouble even focusing for the full 24 second shot clock while on D which is inexcusable in my book. He's a guy every single night who's going to be attacked in P/R so that's going to at least have to improve to below average before we can consider him a guy we could survive multiple rounds with in the playoffs.

A rim protecting C would help this a ton which is why i really hope we trade Vooch.

Not sure what to say here other than Giddey very obviously improved defensively over the course of the season. He didn’t become a plus defender or anything, but his increased activity and efficacy was pretty obvious.