2weekswithpay wrote:You brought up Fox, I only mentioned him because he was your example. The role players we currently have Okoro, Jones, Noa, etc, aren't great complements next to Giannis. You can pick other all-star guards, but you won't find many better fits than Holiday.
All-Star Matas doesn't exist, and his skill set is theoretical. You can't make assumptions about his shooting or his fit, which is why I didn't mention it. Holiday and Middleton were close to perfect fits next to Giannis. It's unlikely that Fox, Giannis, and Matas core is a contender. An awkward fit while getting an older past prime version of Giannis.
Kyrie won a title playing next to Lebron. He had already proven he could play next to an elite offensive player. Any concerns about Luka and Kyrie would be their defense, and the same could be said for Garland and Mitchell. Fox isn't a good fit on offense and isn't a good defender.
Butler wanted to go to the Suns, but more importantly, he wanted to get paid. The 2nd apron and Bradley Beal's contract made it impossible for the Suns to make a compelling offer. If the Suns were able to make a decent offer, Butler would be playing for them. The Rockets weren't interested in Jimmy Butler.
We definitely do not intend to change [our roster]. I would be shocked if something changes this season. We like where we are at, we want to continue developing our guys. Will I listen to other teams [on trade offers]? Of course I will, that’s my job. But there’s no part of me, no part of our decision making process that indicates we are looking to do something big now.
Fox managed to force his way to the Spurs last season. Giannis will have 1 year + a player option on his contract after this season. He'll have more control of his next team than most.
Okay. Let me start over. It was stated Giannis would not come to a team that's not a contender. I stated we would probably have to get a star before or during the trade. I can make assumptions about Matas being an All-Star level player, because this scenario doesn't even exist if he's mid. So, I'll be very clear, none of this is an option if Matas does not look ALL Star level by the deadline AND he's a good shooter. I thought that was implied with him being All Star level, but I'll be specific. Your opinion that Holiday, Middleton, Giannis is a more guaranteed contender than Fox, Matas, Giannis is pure supposition, based on no facts. It doesn't factor in the rest of the team either. I love Holiday, I think Matas could reach a higher level than Middleton, not guaranteed.
We could argue back and forth about who that star could be, it could literally be most players in the NBA. Then talk about fit with Giannis, like the 13 other players on the team don't matter. Adding 36 yr old No shooting Jimmy Butler to 37 year old Steph curry, 35 year old no shooting Draymond Green, and 23 year old no shooting Kuminga, perfect fit for Butler? Fox is just an example to show with star, Giannis and Matas, we likely have three stars and still have some cap room for a fourth good player. If Matas is star level. If.
All these equivocations are just that, Kyrie is a bad looking fit with Luka, Garland is a bad looking fit with Mitchell. Two guards that are minus defenders in the first case, two guards who are small in the second. Lebron is a bad fit with Luka. You want to focus on fit over talent, because Fox is arguably as talented as Holiday and Middleton, those combinations are bad fits. You're not coming up with a reason Kyrie and Luka are a good fit, or Mitchell and Garland are an ideal championship backcourt. How about Bradley Beal/Devin Booker? Did the Suns pay a lot to put that backcourt together?
Pretty sure Jimmy wanted the Rockets, but the Heat wanted Amen Thompson. His preferred list had 3 teams on it, AFAIK. Suns weren't even on his first list. Warriors, Mavericks, Rockets.
Let me repeat it is a long shot.
What extra control over the Bucks does Giannis have to influence their trade? Bucks trade him to any team in the league, how are they affected by his contract length, unless they're trading him to a team he's saying publicly he won't re-sign in two years? Still won't affect the Bucks, might reduce the offers. Might. Is Giannis going to say, "I won't exercise my option in two years with the Bulls, no matter how good the team is by then!" ?
And fine, swap Fox with Holiday, even better. We get Holiday, is Giannis more likely to want to come? Likely cost much less to get Holiday than Fox anyway. Maybe we get to keep and re-sign Coby, trot out Holiday, Coby, Matas, Giannis, center. Wouldn't need Holiday to score much. I'd take Holiday right now if we could do it for expirings and maybe the Portland pick, not including Coby.
Williams, Jones, Noa on the bench.
