Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng

LobosJordan · Post #341 » by **LobosJordan** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:36 am

Mapelgleaf wrote:The plot thickens...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/bulls/2013/11/25/derrick-rose-knee-injury-chicago-future-luol-deng-free-agency/3706267/

But doesn't Deng's agent deny the Bulls want him? And are just saying these things for PR reasons?

Mech Engineer · Post #342 » by **Mech Engineer** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:49 am

We are under-estimating the market for Deng. The market is still developing because there will be teams with better records because of the Bulls losing Rose. The Heat and the Pacers will take it easy as well and teams which are not in the picture now will feel like deep playoff teams. Plus, the Nets/Knicks look decrepit.

There are a lot of teams which look like can get 4-6 seeds and the Bulls have to look at them for trades.

bad knees · Post #343 » by **bad knees** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:49 am

Bulls don't have to do a lot to tank. In fact, just trading the assets that are expiring this year or next will do it. I am talking about Deng, Dunleavy and Hinrich. Dunleavy and Hinrich are easy trades - both could help a contender who is looking for a championship. Trade them and get what you can - a late first possibly if you move them together.

Deng should go asap to someone like Cleveland that is looking to change a losing culture. I love the Bynum and a 1st trade that someone proposed. There is no reason to keep Deng, even if the plan is to resign him in the summer. He is not going to get a five year contract or the Bird max, so trading him is a no-brainer now, regardless of whether the Bulls plan to resign him.

If you take Deng, Dunleavy and Hinrich away from this team, they will be horrible. Look who is left: Teague, MJ, Snell, Butler and whatever dreck comes back in the trades.

That team is a sure tank. And you keep your assets that might be pieces of a championship team - Rose, Butler, Noah, Taj and Snell. The Bulls best hope continues to be to build a championship team around Rose. You gotta wait and see what you have with him. Realize that next year is not going to be the year. Aim for the year after that.

Mapelgleaf · Post #344 » by **Mapelgleaf** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:24 pm

Here's the thing - I'm not saying I'm for keeping or not keeping Deng, but depending on what he asks for next year coupled w a few other moves, couldn't we KEEP him and still be under the cap? (with a core of like
Rose, Noah, Butler, and him on a 3-4 year deal)? Add maybe a decent pick this year (mid 1st in a deep draft) and we could be back in contention as early as next year in theory?

Perhaps if the USA article is on to something and that is the Bulls Plan? You don't alienate the players this way and you're taking the highest probable route to becoming a contender again (gambling on injuries of course).

With guys like Taj and Boozer, maybe we should be BUYERS in this race-to-the-bottom market. And before people chime in about JR not paying the repeater tax let's see how the year plays out. People said it was gospel he would not go into luxury tax and look where we are. Maybe JR is finally itching for one last trophy?? If a Kevin Love type is available at the right price I have a feeling we'd be OK.

Again just a side thought on this whole Deng thing after reading that article. It Seems more realistic and we'd keep a championship caliber coach too (which isn't easy to replace.)

MGB8 · Post #345 » by **MGB8** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:38 pm

No, the Bulls can't realistically keep Deng and be under the cap - there's this season to think about (and the repeater tax).

For next season, with Boozer still on the books, but Deng and Kirk off, the Bulls are already at over 64 million. That means that even with an amnesty of Boozer's 16 million next offseason, there would effectively have to be Deng + no substantial replacements for both Boozer and Kirk to stay under, unless Deng took a DEEP discount - which he has signaled he won't do.

And even that would leave the Bulls with a non-contending team.

Chi town · Post #346 » by **Chi town** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:52 pm

bad knees wrote:Bulls don't have to do a lot to tank. In fact, just trading the assets that are expiring this year or next will do it. I am talking about Deng, Dunleavy and Hinrich. Dunleavy and Hinrich are easy trades - both could help a contender who is looking for a championship. Trade them and get what you can - a late first possibly if you move them together.

Deng should go asap to someone like Cleveland that is looking to change a losing culture. I love the Bynum and a 1st trade that someone proposed. There is no reason to keep Deng, even if the plan is to resign him in the summer. He is not going to get a five year contract or the Bird max, so trading him is a no-brainer now, regardless of whether the Bulls plan to resign him.

If you take Deng, Dunleavy and Hinrich away from this team, they will be horrible. Look who is left: Teague, MJ, Snell, Butler and whatever dreck comes back in the trades.

That team is a sure tank. And you keep your assets that might be pieces of a championship team - Rose, Butler, Noah, Taj and Snell. The Bulls best hope continues to be to build a championship team around Rose. You gotta wait and see what you have with him. Realize that next year is not going to be the year. Aim for the year after that.

I agree and in a Deng trade I'd love to see a PG come back. Clearly Kirk can't do it on this team and Teague may be the worst PG in league history. Either way we have to have a really good backup PG next season that can play with or behind Rose so we are prepared if he struggles or fights through nagging injuries and misses time.

MGB8 · Post #347 » by **MGB8** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:53 pm

I've been looking at what the Bulls could trade Deng for.

As has been mentioned, a Deng for Tyreke trade works, straight up, after December 15. I would do that, frankly, since 11 million per year is not a bad deal for Tyreke, and while he's having a terrible season playing out of position in New Orleans, he'd fill a need in Chicago and could eventually start with Derrick as a very nice tandem, with Jimmy sliding to SF, which IMO is a more natural fit for him.

From Sacramento, I Thornton Patterson tandem would be nice for Deng and would work - and they may do it given the addition of Derrick Williams and McElmore pushing Thornton to reserve status. It doesn't provide star power like Evans, but both players are competent and Patterson would allow the Bulls to move Boozer this season, if there was a decent offer out there.

Houston could get involved, and could send Jeremy Lin and Terrance Jones (another way to facilitate a Boozer move). Obviously they'd have to send cash with Lin so that the Bulls aren't paying him MAX money next season. I could see Houston using Deng at both the 3 and 4 (a lot at the 4, given their playing style).

Washington doesn't have much to offer - Ariza (expiring) and Porter, maybe? Would they do that to upgrade at SF and be more competative?

Pnjguy · Post #348 » by **Pnjguy** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:12 pm

I think people are being a bit delusional to think we'll get any first rounder for Deng. The most we can probably hope for is a couple of 2nd rounders, or a protected future 1st rounder, which I would have no hesitation to do. I would play Teague, Snell, and Murphy as much as possible for the remainder of the year.

xpmar9x · Post #349 » by **xpmar9x** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:13 pm

If the Utah games is any true showing of how our season is about to end, then we'll be in the lottery. I think it was just a bad game as we do have talent. We still need to deal Deng however, he's the most likely to get traded.

Cleveland, Minny, and Dallas all make sense for me.

TankJob · Post #350 » by **TankJob** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:19 pm

Pnjguy wrote:I think people are being a bit delusional to think we'll get any first rounder for Deng. The most we can probably hope for is a couple of 2nd rounders, or a protected future 1st rounder, which I would have no hesitation to do. I would play Teague, Snell, and Murphy as much as possible for the remainder of the year.

Lakers and Nets(their 2015 pick) would have no problems with giving us a first round pick for Deng. They would do it yesterday.

Pnjguy · Post #351 » by **Pnjguy** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:22 pm

TankJob wrote:
Pnjguy wrote:I think people are being a bit delusional to think we'll get any first rounder for Deng. The most we can probably hope for is a couple of 2nd rounders, or a protected future 1st rounder, which I would have no hesitation to do. I would play Teague, Snell, and Murphy as much as possible for the remainder of the year.

Lakers and Nets(their 2015 pick) would have no problems with giving us a first round pick for Deng. They would do it yesterday.

Why would the Lakers give us a first round pick this year if they can just sign Deng outright in the summer? We're not getting a first unless is protected and for the future.

TankJob · Post #352 » by **TankJob** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:24 pm

Pnjguy wrote:
TankJob wrote:
Pnjguy wrote:I think people are being a bit delusional to think we'll get any first rounder for Deng. The most we can probably hope for is a couple of 2nd rounders, or a protected future 1st rounder, which I would have no hesitation to do. I would play Teague, Snell, and Murphy as much as possible for the remainder of the year.

Lakers and Nets(their 2015 pick) would have no problems with giving us a first round pick for Deng. They would do it yesterday.

Why would the Lakers give us a first round pick this year if they can just sign Deng outright in the summer? We're not getting a first unless is protected and for the future.

Because they are the Lakers and always want to compete?

Post #353 » by **DJhitek** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:26 pm

Deng will make himself a lot of money this offseason based off of his performance and might shoot his trade value up signifcantly near the deadline. He played very well last night.

Pnjguy · Post #354 » by **Pnjguy** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:26 pm

TankJob wrote:
Pnjguy wrote:
TankJob wrote:
Lakers and Nets(their 2015 pick) would have no problems with giving us a first round pick for Deng. They would do it yesterday.

Why would the Lakers give us a first round pick this year if they can just sign Deng outright in the summer? We're not getting a first unless is protected and for the future.

Because they are the Lakers and always want to compete?

no.

Proven_Winner · Post #355 » by **Proven_Winner** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:28 pm

Pnjguy wrote:I think people are being a bit delusional to think we'll get any first rounder for Deng. The most we can probably hope for is a couple of 2nd rounders, or a protected future 1st rounder, which I would have no hesitation to do. I would play Teague, Snell, and Murphy as much as possible for the remainder of the year.

Or maybe your being a bit delusional to think we should just bend over and let other teams rape us for a 2x all star. OKC got a 1st round pick for a player that at the time was not even better than Deng so why should we just settle for less. If we trade Deng you should be getting a 1st rounder this year along with a young guy or an unwanted contract.

TankJob · Post #356 » by **TankJob** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:30 pm

You have no idea what are you talking about.

The Lakers traded first round picks for Ramon Sessions and Jordan Hill not so long ago, and you don't think they would shell out one for Deng whom they want since forever. Clueless.

BullsFTW · Post #357 » by **BullsFTW** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:30 pm

DJhitek wrote:Deng will make himself a lot of money this offseason based off of his performance and might shoot his trade value up signifcantly near the deadline. He played very well last night.

Which will increase the possibility of a team offering the Bulls a Late Lottery to Mid 1st Round Pick for Deng.

Pnjguy · Post #358 » by **Pnjguy** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:32 pm

Proven_Winner wrote:
Pnjguy wrote:I think people are being a bit delusional to think we'll get any first rounder for Deng. The most we can probably hope for is a couple of 2nd rounders, or a protected future 1st rounder, which I would have no hesitation to do. I would play Teague, Snell, and Murphy as much as possible for the remainder of the year.

Or maybe your being a bit delusional to think we should just bend over and let other teams rape us for a 2x all star. OKC got a 1st round pick for a player that at the time was not even better than Deng so why should we just settle for less. If we trade Deng you should be getting a 1st rounder this year along with a young guy or an unwanted contract.

We're not getting a 2014 first rounder for Deng, I don't know how else to tell you.

Pnjguy · Post #359 » by **Pnjguy** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:34 pm

TankJob wrote:You have no idea what are you talking about.

The Lakers traded first round picks for Ramon Sessions and Jordan Hill not so long ago, and you don't think they would shell out one for Deng whom they want since forever. Clueless.

This is a new CBA, trading first rounders for players are a thing of the past. Clueless. The only way we are getting a first rounder for Deng is if we take on salary beyond this year which is obviously something the Bulls are not going to do.

Ralphb07 · Post #360 » by **Ralphb07** » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:36 pm

kulaz3000 wrote:
Googjob wrote:
Ralphb07 wrote:Washington, Cleveland NYK and BK all could if we get rid of Deng, especially if Deng goes to Cleveland or Washington.

Brooklyn is 3-10 and on the verge of imploding. New York is 3-9 and missing their best defensive player for another couple months. Cleveland will likely be 4-11 after tonight and look abysmal offensively. You're assuming all 3 of those teams have a massive turnaround which I find unlikely. And even if that all happens, the Bulls still fall into the 8th seed and miss the lottery.

There is absolutely no reason to trade him to NYK or Brooklyn because we aren't going of value for them, those two teams don't have picks to give up for years.

Best beat would be to call teams like the Cavs, Wizards and Kings who have been bottom feeders for years and who could likely be convinced to skip one year out of the lottery, or for our sake the 'possibility' of being a playoff team but not.

Just to make this clear my comment was on teams who could surpass the Bulls playoff wise. I did not say trade Deng to NY or BK