Butler calls out Hoiberg / Update pg 33: KC releases negative report on Jimmy

[Stratmaster]

Without knowing the specifics of what Jimmy was talking about, these scenarios do us no good.

Whatever was written on the white board, Jimmy says wasn't being done during the game, and Hoiberg let it go. Whatever it was, it's not a stretch that this has happened often with Hoiberg. You don't go ballistic in the media over a one time occurance

Jimmy has become an entirely different public persona in the last year, and it isn't an improvement. Jimmy is the 2nd worst offender at not doing what his head coach wants him to,

Then I guess Hoiberg has his work cut out for him. Will he peep?

yet thinks he can call out his coach for not addressing the worst offender. Trade him now.

For what? I hope its somebody who is the second best at his position

As far as the specifics, that is part of the problem. everyone gets to make their own assumptions. If you're such a big shot you think you can run your mouth and throw coaches and teammates under the bus, call them by their name.

Well, it is an untidy affair yes. I just don't think there was a ton to lose the way this team plays, and if anything, the team might just spark.

It's the 3rd time Butler has done this. Some spark. I guess if you whine after every loss then whenever the team wins you can claim you provided a spark with your leadership. What a joke.

Interestingly, there isn't a single other player commenting. Taj Gibson when asked about Butler's previous comments went further than anyone else by simply saying "I don't know about all that". That was Taj Gibson, the guy who has been playing with the "other" Jimmy Butler for years basically saying "he's full of ****".

You should be able to get strong value back for Butler.

[musiqsoulchild]

Well, Fleet:
Jimmy just told Doug, Bobby, Snell and Niko that it's OK to challenge your coach through the media.

I highly doubt that's the right approach even from a veteran standpoint.

[Indomitable]

Honestly, I'm sick of his mouth and I'd start shopping him. Dude is stupid. It's just a low IQ move to start calling out your coach 20 games into his career.

Agree. At first I thought Butler was being a good vocal leader with all the talking in post games, but criticizing your coach publicly is a huge no no for almost every player in every sport. Lebron and Kobe could do that in their prime. Did not expect Butler to create drama like this. Maybe Butler sees this as a Lebron/Blatt situation from last year. But Jimmy is no Lebron.

He has lost all perspective if he believes that

[fleet]

Jimmy has become an entirely different public persona in the last year, and it isn't an improvement. Jimmy is the 2nd worst offender at not doing what his head coach wants him to,

Then I guess Hoiberg has his work cut out for him. Will he peep?

yet thinks he can call out his coach for not addressing the worst offender. Trade him now.

For what? I hope its somebody who is the second best at his position

As far as the specifics, that is part of the problem. everyone gets to make their own assumptions. If you're such a big shot you think you can run your mouth and throw coaches and teammates under the bus, call them by their name.

Well, it is an untidy affair yes. I just don't think there was a ton to lose the way this team plays, and if anything, the team might just spark.

It's the 3rd time Butler has done this. Some spark. I guess if you whine after every loss then whenever the team wins you can claim you provided a spark with your leadership. What a joke.

Interestingly, there isn't a single other player commenting. Taj Gibson when asked about Butler's previous comments went further than anyone else by simply saying "I don't know about all that". That was Taj Gibson, the guy who has been playing with the "other" Jimmy Butler for years basically saying "he's full of ****".

You should be able to get strong value back for Butler.

If anything, Jimmy has sparked you to appreciate Taj Gibson. Life is better already

[musiqsoulchild]

Well, Fleet:
Jimmy just told Doug, Bobby, Snell and Niko that it's OK to challenge your coach through the media.

I highly doubt that's the right approach even from a veteran standpoint.

[Defensive ID]

Butler helps the Bulls when he rebounds and puts pressure on the Ball. Rose should look to rebound more too, it increases the Bulls chances of winning.

[Rerisen]

If anyone would do it, I would package Rose and Butler together and trade them tomorrow. They have both become detriments to the team in opposite ways.

I trade either one for the right player, not Cousins though.

His attitude is plenty bad itself, and this team has nowhere near the cohesion, or coach I might add, to control or fix him.

[Chi]

If the Bulls win the next 5 no one will mention another word about Jimmy saying this...

[Defensive ID]

Team rebounding!

[TheStig]

Well, Fleet:
Jimmy just told Doug, Bobby, Snell and Niko that it's OK to challenge your coach through the media.

I highly doubt that's the right approach even from a veteran standpoint.

If all those guys become allstars and team leaders. Sure, feel free to call out Hoiberg.

[JeremyB0001]

The difference in his PER, points per minute and TS% is mostly just his free throws. People bit on his pump fake, drive and flail routine a lot. Now, they figured his gimmick out. He isn't a good shooter and now that teams figured out he isn't the stretch 4 they thought he was at first, the rest is being exposed.

Also, after hearing for a year from the other Bulls and the commentators and the fans to quit pump faking and just shoot when open, that is now what he is doing. And it's making him a worse player. Although Niko has this reputation of being a guy who is off on his own world, doing his own thing, I think it is the opposite ... he has listened too much to others and has gotten away from what he does best.

Yeah, I don't agree that the problem is that the opposition figured out the pump fake and that Niko is not an elite shooter. If that were the case, you would see defenders sagging off of him and staying home while Niko attempted pump fakes. That's not what we're seeing. We're seeing defenders guarding Niko very closely at the line and Niko almost never using the pump fake. It's not hard to figure out why when you had fans and media inexplicably trashing perhaps the most effective part of his game. Think about how often Stacey King would complain, "Niko need to just shoot when he's open." Also, you saw fans lose their minds and criticism from the media on Twitter the few times this season that Niko had ugly plays because he tried to draw contact and didn't get the call. It's not hard to imagine the coaching staff telling him the same things. Now he's doing what everyone wants, quickly hoisting the three whenever he's open, and it's taken away the drives and contact-drawing moves that were the most effective part of his game. He can get them back quickly. Someone just needs to play him film from last season and pump up his confidence about that part of his game.

[fleet]

Well, Fleet:
Jimmy just told Doug, Bobby, Snell and Niko that it's OK to challenge your coach through the media.

I highly doubt that's the right approach even from a veteran standpoint.

undenied. But again, I have more of an issue with the issue of Jimmy's angst. A coach has to earn respect. So far, I'm not sure Hoiberg can command the room.

[RebuildaBulls]

Butler should not have called Hoiberg out to the media.

Got to say I was beginning to dislike Butler before he got his contract because his ego was getting big, now his ego is coming up and not in the right way.

[Rerisen]

The agenda is strong with you.

Rose made a joke about Obama playing SG at a freaking political fundraiser for Obama. Incredible how you can twist that around.

You think he picked SG out of the blue?

I don't have a side in this. It's juvenile the Rose / Butler split on this board.

Neither one is a great leader from what I've seen.

I'm thinking he picked SG because Obama is not 7 feet tall.

I mean, not a single person took his comment as throwing Bogans under the boss. It's somewhat shocking that you even remembered that. I had to google it.

Jokes are usually funny because people know they have a basis in truth. That one was 'funny' because everyone knew KeBo stunk. The joke would not have been funny if Jimmy was our SG.

[RebuildaBulls]

Well, Fleet:
Jimmy just told Doug, Bobby, Snell and Niko that it's OK to challenge your coach through the media.

I highly doubt that's the right approach even from a veteran standpoint.

If all those guys become allstars and team leaders. Sure, feel free to call out Hoiberg.

Sorry but it's never right to call them out to the media, and being only an all star without rings or even an MVP at the least means jack. He needs to play within the team and Hoiberg needs to get these guys playing his sets

[Stratmaster]

If anyone would do it, I would package Rose and Butler together and trade them tomorrow. They have both become detriments to the team in opposite ways.

I trade either one for the right player, not Cousins though.

His attitude is plenty bad itself, and this team has nowhere near the cohesion, or coach I might add, to control or fix him.

Agreed. But I want to trade them together so they are stuck with each other. Serve them both right.

[Stratmaster]

Well, Fleet:
Jimmy just told Doug, Bobby, Snell and Niko that it's OK to challenge your coach through the media.

I highly doubt that's the right approach even from a veteran standpoint.

undenied. But again, I have more of an issue with the issue of Jimmy's angst. A coach has to earn respect. So far, I'm not sure Hoiberg can command the room

Top players know they can make or break a new coach. Jimmy just purposely tried to break his.

[Rerisen]

If anyone would do it, I would package Rose and Butler together and trade them tomorrow. They have both become detriments to the team in opposite ways.

I trade either one for the right player, not Cousins though.

His attitude is plenty bad itself, and this team has nowhere near the cohesion, or coach I might add, to control or fix him.

Agreed. But I want to trade them together so they are stuck with each other. Serve them both right.

Of course we both know that is pie in the sky as a solution though. So when are we going to actually start looking up the chain for why such things are occurring in the first place?

I don't think they are occurring because Jimmy Butler after 5 years of busting his a***, was this hidden cancer that suddenly starts to show. This team has issues.

Any team that got a coach fired for 'quitting on him' should have been shaken up itself, not appeased by bringing them all back and reinforcing their bad habits, which is what looks like has happened.

[RebuildaBulls]

This roster is due for a breakup

[RebuildaBulls]

But I'll say this, if Bulls Start winning more games at a higher clip then he did something right, if they start losing or playing the same then roster changes must be made because this team is now dysfunctional