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Re: 2019 Draft Thread Volume #6 - Post Lottery 

Post#341 » by dougthonus » Wed May 22, 2019 7:24 pm

PlayerUp wrote:Michael Porter for #7?

Yay or Nay?


Nay.

Denver has 100x more information than us on Porter right now. Any scenario they're willing to do this trade is a scenario we don't want to say yes to.

If we want to go off of Porter's HS rankings, we can just draft Cam Reddish at #7.
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Post#342 » by TheSuzerain » Wed May 22, 2019 7:29 pm

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You could probably get Edwards a lot later in the draft instead of reaching. He's feast or famine with not much else to his game.

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He was the 2nd leading scorer in high major (to Markus Howard) and Purdue had a top 5 offense in the country. How is that feast or famine?

The most valuable single skill an offensive player in the NBA can have at the moment is the off the dribble 3 because it breaks defenses. It's basically the entire reason people want Garland. Edwards can do it too.


Because...it's all Edwards does. He's awful at the rim < 50% and doesn't present much value elsewhere.

I would draft him, but #7 is a big reach even in a shaky draft like this.



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Near the top of the Big Ten in free throw attempts.

Being poor at the rim in college is not important for a PG prospect. You said this same line about Trae Young last year.

Edwards has the best single game tape of any prospect in the draft not named Zion.
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Post#343 » by TheSuzerain » Wed May 22, 2019 7:30 pm

HomoSapien wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:We should trade down and take Carsen Edwards. Or just take him at #7.

He seems like an obvious fit at PG. More athletic/explosive than White or Garland. Can shoot off the dribble 3's. Big wingspan and stocky build means he can be an adequate defender.


I think Edwards is being overlooked, but he's projecting as a second round pick right now. Taking him at 7, unless we're positive of his abilities could be a mistake that could put us back a few years.

Projecting by what authority?

The actual decision makers don’t release mocks.
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Post#344 » by Red Larrivee » Wed May 22, 2019 7:38 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:Near the top of the Big Ten in free throw attempts.

Being poor at the rim in college is not important for a PG prospect. You said this same line about Trae Young last year.

Edwards has the best single game tape of any prospect in the draft not named Zion.


Being poor at the rim limits one of the highest percentage shots on the floor. How many great point guards in the league are bad at it? Lillard's last year in college: 60% FG at the rim and 36% of his offense came there.

More power to you if you believe Edwards is going to become a great player exclusively taking off the dribble 3's and avoiding the paint. I'd draft him, but 7 is too high.

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Post#345 » by Am2626 » Wed May 22, 2019 7:44 pm

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PlayerUp wrote:Michael Porter for #7?

Yay or Nay?


Nay.

Denver has 100x more information than us on Porter right now. Any scenario they're willing to do this trade is a scenario we don't want to say yes to.

If we want to go off of Porter's HS rankings, we can just draft Cam Reddish at #7.


Yeah at this point Denver won’t trader Porter Jr unless his medicals are bad. Now a fully healthy Porter Jr would be interesting to see but Denver doesn’t give that up after waiting for him to heal up this year.
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Post#346 » by TheSuzerain » Wed May 22, 2019 7:44 pm

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TheSuzerain wrote:Near the top of the Big Ten in free throw attempts.

Being poor at the rim in college is not important for a PG prospect. You said this same line about Trae Young last year.

Edwards has the best single game tape of any prospect in the draft not named Zion.


Being poor at the rim limits one of the highest percentile shots on the floor. How many great point guards in the league are bad at it? Lillard's last year in college: 60% FG at the rim and 36% of his offense came there.

More power to you if you believe Edwards is going to become a great player exclusively taking off the dribble 3's and avoiding the paint. I'd draft him, but 7 is too high.

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Again, near the top of the B1G in getting to the line which is where paint scoring efficiency actually comes from. Avoiding the paint?

And again, 2pt FG% is not that important for a PG prospect. It’s not like teams won’t guard you at the rim. Plus that in between game with floaters and push shots is completely natural to develop after college. Hell of a lot more likely than Barrett or Culver ever becoming plus 3pt shooters.
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Post#347 » by RedBulls23 » Wed May 22, 2019 7:45 pm

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RedBulls23 wrote:Has Edwards been climbing the boards? I thought he was a 2nd round prospect and could he available at the 38th pick?

Zero percent chance he’s available at 38.

His stats are pretty much a doppelgänger for college Lillard. Less efficient but far superior level of competition.

Also has big hands. Standing reach only 2” off Coby White.

Just looking his draft positioning and I see him mocked as a late 1st to around the 38th pick.

Taking him at 7 would be hell of a reach. You can always trade back up in the 1st to get him.
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Post#348 » by JimmyJammer » Wed May 22, 2019 7:46 pm

Apparently, Nassir Little has been putting in the work on his jumpshot and is paying dividend.

Nassir Little has heard that the NBA pre-draft process is daunting, but he feels he’s ready for anything that’s thrown at him. In fact, unlike some potential lottery picks, Little wants to face off against as many prospects as possible over the next month and a half – especially the wings currently projected to go higher than him. The 6-foot-7 small forward is confident that he can hold his own against his peers and he wants an opportunity to prove it.

“I feel like in these workouts, I’ll be able to showcase things that I haven’t been able to show as much in the past. I think I’ll wake a lot of people up,” Little told HoopsHype. “I’m an extremely hard competitor, so I’d love the opportunity to go against a lot of guys.”

Ask NBA players about their pre-draft experience and most will say some version of, “I’m glad I never have to go through that again.” Even prospects who had a good experience admit that it’s exhausting. For nearly two months, players live out of a duffel bag as they fly from city to city.

During the team workouts, prospects are put through the wringer. Teams want to test each individual’s stamina and resolve, and they want to see how each person performs when they’re absolutely drained. Sometimes, players have several workouts in one week, so they’re still extremely tired from their last workout when the next one begins. Days run together. By the end, all they want is two things: plenty of sleep in their own bed and for NBA Commissioner Adam Silver to call their name.

That’s why NBA decision-makers are impressed when a player goes above and beyond during this process. For example, teams loved when Damian Lillard participated in the 2012 Draft Combine despite being projected as a Top-10 pick. Little understands that this is a chance to make a lasting impression.

“I’m a hard worker,” he said. “I just want to keep showing that, along with my desire to get better.”

Every day, Little wakes up at 6:45 a.m. and makes his way to his first training session. He does two workouts with his strength-and-conditioning coach Randy Hadley (one in the morning and one in the evening) that focus on his “conditioning,” “stretching,” “mobility,” and “strength.” He does two on-court workouts with his skills trainer Darryl Hardin (one in the morning and one in the evening) that focus on his “three-point shooting,” “ball-handling,” “shooting off-the-dribble” and more. He’s working on his craft around the clock.

The primary focus of Little’s workouts has been his shooting. This is the aspect of his game he wants to improve the most. During his lone collegiate season, he made just 0.4 threes per game while shooting 26.9 percent from beyond the arc.

After working on this every day for over a month, he seems more confident when he’s shooting. During a private workout that HoopsHype attended, he got hot and made 16 threes in a row at one point. If he can shoot like that in front of NBA teams, that will help his draft stock.

“I want to showcase my shooting ability; I feel like that’s an underrated part of my game,” Little said. “I’ve been working really hard on that and improving my consistency. I’m ready to display that.”

Little is attending the 2019 NBA Draft Combine from May 15-19. Then, he’ll have a chance to show off his hard work at his Pro Day in Las Vegas on May 27. After that, he’ll be traveling to hold private workouts with teams. Performing well in his team interviews and athletic testing may also help his draft stock. With a 7-foot-2 wingspan and 8-foot-9 standing reach, his measurements should also impress executives once they’re official.

Little described himself as “very self-motivated.” That label seems to fit, considering he became one of the top recruits in the country and still finished high school with a 4.2 GPA.

“Internally, I was always the kid who just felt like I needed to clean my room if it was getting messy; nobody had to tell me. I would tell myself that I needed to do my homework and get it done. Nobody had to force me to do it or anything like that,” he said. “That’s something that was just in me since I was a kid.”


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Post#349 » by Red Larrivee » Wed May 22, 2019 7:58 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:Again, near the top of the B1G in getting to the line which is where paint scoring efficiency actually comes from. Avoiding the paint?

And again, 2pt FG% is not that important for a PG prospect. It’s not like teams won’t guard you at the rim. Plus that in between game with floaters and push shots is completely natural to develop after college. Hell of a lot more likely than Barrett or Culver ever becoming plus 3pt shooters.


7 free throws Per 40 isn't some outstanding number for a player with a 37.3 Usage Rate. You can't discount percentage at the rim; it's a huge part of unlocking offensive upside. Damian Lillard would not be nearly as good if he was incapable of finishing in the paint or at the rim.

There is currently no chance that Edwards goes 7. You could easily just trade down and get him if you were really that enamored with him.

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Post#350 » by StunnerKO » Wed May 22, 2019 8:29 pm

lol no way is Edwards worth a top 10 pick
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Post#351 » by Simpleton » Wed May 22, 2019 8:43 pm

The problem with Edwards is that he's a good 2+ inches shorter than the guys with playstyles who you'd hope he projects to being similar to, namely Curry and Lillard. If we were picking in the 20's sure, but how many score-first PG's are there who can barely crack 6-0 in shoes?

The only guy who is anywhere near that small is Kemba Walker, who is still a solid inch taller than Edwards, and he was also a much more efficient collegiate player and better distributor. Edwards never even cracked 3 APG over three years in college, and it's a huge red flag that in that career game against UVA in the tournament where he was just completely going off he somehow managed a grand total of 0 assists. He was forcing UVA to extend their defense about 5 feet past the 3 point line and he still struggled to get his teammates involved.
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Post#352 » by StunnerKO » Wed May 22, 2019 8:54 pm

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Post#353 » by Simpleton » Wed May 22, 2019 9:08 pm

Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane. I really, really, really wanted to like Reddish this whole year but every single time I watched him I came away more unimpressed. He's soft and just talented enough to tantalize you with flashes while ultimately letting you down with his inconsistency.
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Post#354 » by HomoSapien » Wed May 22, 2019 9:12 pm

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TheSuzerain wrote:We should trade down and take Carsen Edwards. Or just take him at #7.

He seems like an obvious fit at PG. More athletic/explosive than White or Garland. Can shoot off the dribble 3's. Big wingspan and stocky build means he can be an adequate defender.


I think Edwards is being overlooked, but he's projecting as a second round pick right now. Taking him at 7, unless we're positive of his abilities could be a mistake that could put us back a few years.

Projecting by what authority?

The actual decision makers don’t release mocks.


I mean if you want to dismiss literally every draft projection out there that's up to you.

I could see an argument for taking Edwards in the 20s but at 7, that just seems like a fireable reach.
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Post#355 » by NewEra21 » Wed May 22, 2019 9:36 pm

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He absolutely needs to be on NBA strength & conditioning program as soon as possible. And if your willing to accept that his down year at Duke was just him not be able to find his role on the team, I think he's worth the risk at #7.
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Post#356 » by VolumePoster » Wed May 22, 2019 10:04 pm

It’s so funny. Watching that reddish video I absolutely had a flashback to watching a grainy video of Paul George so many years ago. Remember thinking: that dude is gonna be good.

Obviously more questions to be answered but he sure does ace the eye test.
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Post#358 » by NewEra21 » Wed May 22, 2019 10:21 pm

VolumePoster wrote:It’s so funny. Watching that reddish video I absolutely had a flashback to watching a grainy video of Paul George so many years ago. Remember thinking: that dude is gonna be good.

Obviously more questions to be answered but he sure does ace the eye test.

Yep. Wanted Paul for the Bulls back in 2010. Even before Duke, I saw Reddish in high school and PG instantly came to mind. Now thats the common comp that is given if Reddish reaches his full potential. Hes not the athlete the George is, but i think he can compensate by being a better play maker.
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Post#359 » by nomorezorro » Wed May 22, 2019 10:59 pm

it's insane that reddish looks the part of a future star so much that a 30 second cell phone video seriously has me questioning the validity of an entire season of trash play

i still don't want him but dude is basically a basketball siren. hard to resist
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Post#360 » by nomorezorro » Wed May 22, 2019 11:03 pm

honestly, thinking about it, i'd be shocked if workouts aren't enough to get someone ahead of us to bite on cam

he's like, genetically engineered to get a franchise like cleveland or phoenix to draft him only for him to turn out to be a bust. you're telling me they both have the willpower to pass on that guy??
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