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Is Zach LaVine a Winner?

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Re: Is Zach LaVine a Winner? 

Post#341 » by NecessaryEvil » Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:34 am

SHO'NUFF wrote:I'm OK with Zach not making it. Hopefully this will make him work harder on his weaknesses.


Im not. The game is in chicago and other players made it from losing teams.

This is a bad look
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Re: Is Zach LaVine a Winner? 

Post#342 » by madvillian » Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:36 am

NecessaryEvil wrote:
SHO'NUFF wrote:I'm OK with Zach not making it. Hopefully this will make him work harder on his weaknesses.


Im not. The game is in chicago and other players made it from losing teams.

This is a bad look


Please. Nobody outside Bulls fans, and not even perhaps a majority, really care about this. Zach is having a nice year, but the Bulls are irrelevant and Lavine isn't good enough to overcome that. Oh well.
dumbell78 wrote:Random comment....Mikal Bridges stroke is dripping right now in summer league. Carry on.


I'll go ahead and make a sig bet that Mikal is better by RPM this year than Zach.
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Re: Is Zach LaVine a Winner? 

Post#343 » by NecessaryEvil » Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:41 am

madvillian wrote:
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SHO'NUFF wrote:I'm OK with Zach not making it. Hopefully this will make him work harder on his weaknesses.


Im not. The game is in chicago and other players made it from losing teams.

This is a bad look


Please. Nobody outside Bulls fans, and not even perhaps a majority, really care about this. Zach is having a nice year, but the Bulls are irrelevant and Lavine isn't good enough to overcome that. Oh well.


Ingram made it. How relevent are the pelicans besides having the #1 pick.

Lillard. .. Losing team also

Be quiet
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Post#344 » by BloodyQ » Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:53 am

I don't blame Zach for not making it.

I blame Boylen.
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Post#345 » by CBS7 » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:04 am

Zach didn't really deserve it. He deserved it more than Beal, but probably not as much as Simmons/Lowry.
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Re: Is Zach LaVine a Winner? 

Post#346 » by madvillian » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:06 am

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madvillian wrote:
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Im not. The game is in chicago and other players made it from losing teams.

This is a bad look


Please. Nobody outside Bulls fans, and not even perhaps a majority, really care about this. Zach is having a nice year, but the Bulls are irrelevant and Lavine isn't good enough to overcome that. Oh well.


Ingram made it. How relevent are the pelicans besides having the #1 pick.

Lillard. .. Losing team also

Be quiet


Dame has a 26 PER and a WS/48 of .222. Where be Zach? 19.5 and .104.

Zach isn't a real superstar. Dame is. Get over it man, this isn't even a big snub.
dumbell78 wrote:Random comment....Mikal Bridges stroke is dripping right now in summer league. Carry on.


I'll go ahead and make a sig bet that Mikal is better by RPM this year than Zach.
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Re: Is Zach LaVine a Winner? 

Post#347 » by Jcool0 » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:07 am

CBS7 wrote:Zach didn't really deserve it. He deserved it more than Beal, but probably not as much as Simmons/Lowry.


You think Kyle Lowry deserves it? You aren't serious are you?
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Post#348 » by CBS7 » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:08 am

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CBS7 wrote:Zach didn't really deserve it. He deserved it more than Beal, but probably not as much as Simmons/Lowry.


You think Kyle Lowry deserves it? You aren't serious are you?


20/7/5 on good efficiency, top 2 team in the East, they are doing much better than expected, why not?

I mean, he chokes in the playoffs all the time, but the all star game is mostly a regular season accolade.

Edit: plus he's already been an all star, it seems to be easier to make the ASG if you've made it before.
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Post#349 » by CBS7 » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:11 am

I like Zach, a lot. If we had a decent coach and decent health, he probably would have made it. But we don't, and voters do take into account team success, especially so for potential first time allstars.
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Post#350 » by CBS7 » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:12 am

Booker didn't make it either, they are similar players, but Booker is slightly better across the board, including in the wins column. Although he is in the West.
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Re: Is Zach LaVine a Winner? 

Post#351 » by Jcool0 » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:16 am

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CBS7 wrote:Zach didn't really deserve it. He deserved it more than Beal, but probably not as much as Simmons/Lowry.


You think Kyle Lowry deserves it? You aren't serious are you?


20/7/5 on good efficiency, top 2 team in the East, they are doing much better than expected, why not?

I mean, he chokes in the playoffs all the time, but the all star game is mostly a regular season accolade.

Edit: plus he's already been an all star, it seems to be easier to make the ASG if you've made it before.


Good efficiency? He is shooting 41% Which is his lowest since 2012. He has a 17.5 PER (44th in the NBA), a negative defensive +/- & his on-off is a -4.4. HIs assists, rebounds and steals are all down from last year.
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Re: Is Zach LaVine a Winner? 

Post#352 » by Jimako10 » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:19 am

Payt10 wrote:Kyle Lowry is not an All Star. Middleton gets the Luol Deng All Star recognition by playing on a championship caliber team, even though nobody really looks at him like a true All Star. I get he's putting up good numbers, but he's got the easiest job in the league during the regular season while his team is just dominating everybody. Lavine and Beal have to carry their teams every night offensively just to have a chance at winning a game, and they're doing it while maintaining their efficiency. I think that's more impressive.

Just my two cents.


I mean, KM is a big part of the reason MIL is dominating everyone. He's just not a 2nd fiddle for the top team in the league, he's the 2nd fiddle of a historically great top team in the league, on top of putting up the best numbers of his career (by a significant margin). I think it's a pretty easy decision to put KM in there. I can agree with Lowry though, and Beal is definitely the best individual player of the bunch, but your team winning has to part of the equation (unless you're Trae Young apparently).
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Re: Is Zach LaVine a Winner? 

Post#353 » by CBS7 » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:20 am

Jcool0 wrote:
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You think Kyle Lowry deserves it? You aren't serious are you?


20/7/5 on good efficiency, top 2 team in the East, they are doing much better than expected, why not?

I mean, he chokes in the playoffs all the time, but the all star game is mostly a regular season accolade.

Edit: plus he's already been an all star, it seems to be easier to make the ASG if you've made it before.


Good efficiency? He is shooting 41% Which is his lowest since 2012. He has a 17.5 PER (44th in the NBA), a negative defensive +/- & his on-off is a -4.4. HIs assists, rebounds and steals are all down from last year.


This is a pretty big instance of cherry picking stats. His TS% is .582 (higher than Zach). His PER is up from last season. His BPM, VORP, WS, RPM etc are all higher than Zach's. And he's on a good team.

Again, I really like Zach, but Lowry has a fair case. I have Zach next in line after those guys (ahead of Beal)
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Re: Is Zach LaVine a Winner? 

Post#354 » by Jcool0 » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:27 am

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20/7/5 on good efficiency, top 2 team in the East, they are doing much better than expected, why not?

I mean, he chokes in the playoffs all the time, but the all star game is mostly a regular season accolade.

Edit: plus he's already been an all star, it seems to be easier to make the ASG if you've made it before.


Good efficiency? He is shooting 41% Which is his lowest since 2012. He has a 17.5 PER (44th in the NBA), a negative defensive +/- & his on-off is a -4.4. HIs assists, rebounds and steals are all down from last year.


This is a pretty big instance of cherry picking stats. His TS% is .582 (higher than Zach). His PER is up from last season. His BPM, VORP, WS, RPM etc are all higher than Zach's. And he's on a good team.

Again, I really like Zach, but Lowry has a fair case. I have Zach next in line after those guys (ahead of Beal)


Lowry has no case. He might be one of the worst All-Star selections ever. Just because he is on a winning team is no reason to put him on the team. If Zach has those numbers you would no be going to bat for him.
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Re: Is Zach LaVine a Winner? 

Post#355 » by PaKii94 » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:27 am

I'm happy that they didn't over value scoring for the selections (Zach/booker/Beal). All the players on the list deserved to make it
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Re: Is Zach LaVine a Winner? 

Post#356 » by Red Larrivee » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:28 am

I think they got the East right. LaVine's had a very good year, but you can't prioritize him over players putting up good numbers on good teams.

I hope Zach reconsiders and does the dunk contest though. I'm sure he doesn't want to just be known as a dunker, but this is really the only chance a Bulls player has to showcase themselves on a national stage this season. Take advantage and do what you're one of the best in the league at. I don't see the downside in doing it.
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Post#357 » by CBS7 » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:29 am

Jcool0 wrote:
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Good efficiency? He is shooting 41% Which is his lowest since 2012. He has a 17.5 PER (44th in the NBA), a negative defensive +/- & his on-off is a -4.4. HIs assists, rebounds and steals are all down from last year.


This is a pretty big instance of cherry picking stats. His TS% is .582 (higher than Zach). His PER is up from last season. His BPM, VORP, WS, RPM etc are all higher than Zach's. And he's on a good team.

Again, I really like Zach, but Lowry has a fair case. I have Zach next in line after those guys (ahead of Beal)


Lowry has no case. He might be one of the worst All-Star selections ever. Just because he is on a winning team is no reason to put him on the team. If Zach has those numbers you would no be going to bat for him.


You already have your mind made up, so there is no point arguing.
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Re: Is Zach LaVine a Winner? 

Post#358 » by Jcool0 » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:31 am

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This is a pretty big instance of cherry picking stats. His TS% is .582 (higher than Zach). His PER is up from last season. His BPM, VORP, WS, RPM etc are all higher than Zach's. And he's on a good team.

Again, I really like Zach, but Lowry has a fair case. I have Zach next in line after those guys (ahead of Beal)


Lowry has no case. He might be one of the worst All-Star selections ever. Just because he is on a winning team is no reason to put him on the team. If Zach has those numbers you would no be going to bat for him.


You already have your mind made up, so there is no point arguing.


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Re: Is Zach LaVine a Winner? 

Post#359 » by PaKii94 » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:33 am

Jcool0 wrote:
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Lowry has no case. He might be one of the worst All-Star selections ever. Just because he is on a winning team is no reason to put him on the team. If Zach has those numbers you would no be going to bat for him.


You already have your mind made up, so there is no point arguing.


Thanks for taking the L you earned it.


The person who took an L is Lavine. Maybe you should redirect your misdirected energy towards him
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Re: Is Zach LaVine a Winner? 

Post#360 » by Jcool0 » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:35 am

PaKii94 wrote:
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You already have your mind made up, so there is no point arguing.


Thanks for taking the L you earned it.


The person who took an L is Lavine. Maybe you should redirect your misdirected energy towards him


We were talking about Lowry not Lavine.

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