2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2

[Grodoboldo]

Nice article discussing some of the weaknesses for Nesmith and Poku. The others I found a little less enlightening but still interesting.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2908612-2020-nba-drafts-biggest-boom-or-bust-prospects

Man, I would love a second 1st rounder to get Nesmith. My dream draft involves trading some combination of Markkanen, Young and Sato for a pick to draft him.

He just seems so limited even if you believe in his shooting.

“He totaled 13 assists in 500 minutes while generating six total points on 16 pick-and-roll possessions. And though he was ridiculous shooting off the catch, Nesmith finished just 13-of-37 on dribble jumpers.”

I just really like his shooting. Imagine if Kyle Korver was a pretty good defender and could maybe end up guarding SGs, SFs and PFs.
I agree that being able to create something, anything, would go a long way to making him much better. But if he had that ability already, he'd be a top-5 pick in this draft, not a late lottery one.

[Pax for Prez]

Ringers new mock has Wiseman at # 4 to the Bulls.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2020/9/14/21435542/nba-mock-draft

If that is the case who probably gets moved Lari (contract), Carter (because of fit) or Gafford (lack of deal / value of Lari & Carter) ?

[Jvaughn]

Okay, so back to the actual draft section. Going to add a poll to see where people sit on the prospects.

[MrFortune3]

Ringers new mock has Wiseman at # 4 to the Bulls.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2020/9/14/21435542/nba-mock-draft

If that is the case who probably gets moved Lari (contract), Carter (because of fit) or Gafford (lack of deal / value of Lari & Carter) ?

I want Deni badly but man, the temptation of landing Wiseman is starting to grow on me.
Getting the guy who should be the #1 pick at #4 and building the team from the inside out(in terms of defense)is a interesting proposition.

[gobullschi]

Ringers new mock has Wiseman at # 4 to the Bulls.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2020/9/14/21435542/nba-mock-draft

If that is the case who probably gets moved Lari (contract), Carter (because of fit) or Gafford (lack of deal / value of Lari & Carter) ?

I want Deni badly but man, the temptation of landing Wiseman is starting to grow on me.
Getting the guy who should be the #1 pick at #4 and building the team from the inside out(in terms of defense)is a interesting proposition.

Just what this team needs. Another big man in an era built on guard and SF play.

[KCFITTED]

Ringers new mock has Wiseman at # 4 to the Bulls.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2020/9/14/21435542/nba-mock-draft

If that is the case who probably gets moved Lari (contract), Carter (because of fit) or Gafford (lack of deal / value of Lari & Carter) ?

Listening the Marc Eversley he sounded like he really likes Wendell and looks at him as a long term piece. I would think Lauri would be the odd man out in that situation. Like you said I would think Laui would fit better with Wiseman but it's not a bad problem for the Bulls to have.

Just get LaMelo and call it a day

[MrFortune3]

Ringers new mock has Wiseman at # 4 to the Bulls.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2020/9/14/21435542/nba-mock-draft

If that is the case who probably gets moved Lari (contract), Carter (because of fit) or Gafford (lack of deal / value of Lari & Carter) ?

I want Deni badly but man, the temptation of landing Wiseman is starting to grow on me.
Getting the guy who should be the #1 pick at #4 and building the team from the inside out(in terms of defense)is a interesting proposition.

Just what this team needs. Another big man in an era built on guard and SF play.

Calm down sir. Wiseman at worst would be a defense anchor who score a few easy baskets in the paint area.
If AK and co are really serious about development you're talking about a top 2 center in the NBA with a solid offensive game and likely to expand his range if he reaches his potential.

We also just saw in the Rockets vs Lakers series that you still need size in today's NBA.

[PlayerUp]

Ringers new mock has Wiseman at # 4 to the Bulls.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2020/9/14/21435542/nba-mock-draft

If that is the case who probably gets moved Lari (contract), Carter (because of fit) or Gafford (lack of deal / value of Lari & Carter) ?

Warriors would trade down in this case for sure. Teams will want to move up for LaMelo. I don't see the Hornets taking Deni over Wiseman.

I still think the draft order will go:

1. Edwards
2. LaMelo
3. Wiseman

In the end with the Warriors trading down.

[Ugly Duckling]

Ringers new mock has Wiseman at # 4 to the Bulls.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2020/9/14/21435542/nba-mock-draft

If that is the case who probably gets moved Lari (contract), Carter (because of fit) or Gafford (lack of deal / value of Lari & Carter) ?

Maybe Wendell? Gafford looks to be a good backup and we don't know his ceiling yet. He could be better. I actually wouldn't be mad at taking Wiseman tbh. I was low on him initially, but the Rockets series proves you need a big and I'm not sold on Wendell. He still has potential, but seems a little passive to me. Maybe Lauri can turn it around

[drosestruts]

I would be very upset with drafting Wisemen at 4, I just don't believe in drafting a big top-10 these days. Take that chance on a wing or a guard. It's not even about us already having a number of big men on the roster, it's just not where impact players come from these days.

[wolffy]

I want Deni badly but man, the temptation of landing Wiseman is starting to grow on me.
Getting the guy who should be the #1 pick at #4 and building the team from the inside out(in terms of defense)is a interesting proposition.

Just what this team needs. Another big man in an era built on guard and SF play.

Calm down sir. Wiseman at worst would be a defense anchor who score a few easy baskets in the paint area.
If AK and co are really serious about development you're talking about a top 2 center in the NBA with a solid offensive game and likely to expand his range if he reaches his potential.

We also just saw in the Rockets vs Lakers series that you still need size in today's NBA.

When you say " top two center" are you saying as in he could be a number or a number 2 center on a team, like they might say in hockey. Or are you saying in the NBA? I might be going crazy lol.

[Shill]

I guess I'll go with Deni on the 0.001% chance he turns into something resembling Doncic.

I think his shooting splits are a huge red flag, but there aren't many good options in this draft.

[Shill]

Calm down sir. Wiseman at worst would be a defense anchor who score a few easy baskets in the paint area.
If AK and co are really serious about development you're talking about a top 2 center in the NBA with a solid offensive game and likely to expand his range if he reaches his potential.

Is he a defensive anchor, though?

Does he have the defensive instincts and motor of a defensive anchor?

It takes more than size and athleticism. Karl-Anthony Towns has proven that.

[waffle]

I originally had Wiseman as our pick. He's a crazy specimen. But I do wonder about his motor and I do wonder about the state of the NBA for big men.

But I don't want Tobbin and am a bit leary of Dani.

[MrFortune3]

Just what this team needs. Another big man in an era built on guard and SF play.

Calm down sir. Wiseman at worst would be a defense anchor who score a few easy baskets in the paint area.
If AK and co are really serious about development you're talking about a top 2 center in the NBA with a solid offensive game and likely to expand his range if he reaches his potential.

We also just saw in the Rockets vs Lakers series that you still need size in today's NBA.

When you say " top two center" are you saying as in he could be a number or a number 2 center on a team, like they might say in hockey. Or are you saying in the NBA? I might be going crazy lol.

Top 2 in the NBA. I loved Ayton and thought the world of him coming out and I like Wiseman 4x as much.

[Rose2Boozer]

Wiseman. If he's still available at pick 4, you almost have to take him. I would hate to see Wiseman left on the board in favor of some low ceiling perimeter player who won't be able to create much in the NBA.

[MrFortune3]

Calm down sir. Wiseman at worst would be a defense anchor who score a few easy baskets in the paint area.
If AK and co are really serious about development you're talking about a top 2 center in the NBA with a solid offensive game and likely to expand his range if he reaches his potential.

Is he a defensive anchor, though?

Does he have the defensive instincts and motor of a defensive anchor?

It takes more than size and athleticism. Karl-Anthony Towns has proven that.

I don't have any concerns with Wiseman's motor and effort. People forget that KAT played in a platoon system at Kentucky and he had issues with foul trouble there.
My concern with Wiseman is will the team that selects him focus on growing his offensive game as a whole and not just asking him to shoot 3's to expand his range.

[MrFortune3]

Ringers new mock has Wiseman at # 4 to the Bulls.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2020/9/14/21435542/nba-mock-draft

If that is the case who probably gets moved Lari (contract), Carter (because of fit) or Gafford (lack of deal / value of Lari & Carter) ?

Warriors would trade down in this case for sure. Teams will want to move up for LaMelo. I don't see the Hornets taking Deni over Wiseman.

I still think the draft order will go:

1. Edwards
2. LaMelo
3. Wiseman

In the end with the Warriors trading down.

I simply cannot see a situation where Charlote passes on Wiseman. He fits them perfectly. They need a rim protecting big with offensive potential and size. They already have guards in Rozier and Graham. They need size to add to Bridges and Washington.

[cjbulls]

Ringers new mock has Wiseman at # 4 to the Bulls.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2020/9/14/21435542/nba-mock-draft

If that is the case who probably gets moved Lari (contract), Carter (because of fit) or Gafford (lack of deal / value of Lari & Carter) ?

Warriors would trade down in this case for sure. Teams will want to move up for LaMelo. I don't see the Hornets taking Deni over Wiseman.

I still think the draft order will go:

1. Edwards
2. LaMelo
3. Wiseman

In the end with the Warriors trading down.

I simply cannot see a situation where Charlote passes on Wiseman. He fits them perfectly. They need a rim protecting big with offensive potential and size. They already have guards in Rozier and Graham. They need size to add to Bridges and Washington.

The Ringer nailed the scenario, one where Ball or Edwards is still on the board. Charlotte has to be desperate for a star.

[gobullschi]

I want Deni badly but man, the temptation of landing Wiseman is starting to grow on me.
Getting the guy who should be the #1 pick at #4 and building the team from the inside out(in terms of defense)is a interesting proposition.

Just what this team needs. Another big man in an era built on guard and SF play.

Calm down sir. Wiseman at worst would be a defense anchor who score a few easy baskets in the paint area.
If AK and co are really serious about development you're talking about a top 2 center in the NBA with a solid offensive game and likely to expand his range if he reaches his potential.

We also just saw in the Rockets vs Lakers series that you still need size in today's NBA.

The NBA is about building a “big three”. A defensive anchor who can score a few easy buckets just aren’t valuable in today’s NBA. If Wiseman was a special passer like Jokic or had offensive ability like AD, I would consider drafting him. He didn’t show me anything in college besides dominating a bunch of undersized guys that have no NBA future. He didn’t dominate them off the dribble or with a jump shot either. It was just being taller and more athletic than them which never translates. Look at guys like Nerlens Noel, Willie Caulie-Stein, JaVale McGee, etc. Being tall and quick isn’t good enough.

What did he show you that made you so impressed? Was there a specific game?