Lets talk Zach Lavine

[weneeda2guard]

Nobody wants to give Lavine for free. But realitty is, he is free agent after 21/22 season. There is two question are you willing to pay him 190/5 years, 35% of your salary and even if you are (my offer to Lavine is 100/4 max max, reality 90/4), and is he willing to stay or to sign somewhere as second or third option for 20 mil per season. Our strategy was correct but our execution wasnt. Even with 7 pick we could draft Mitchell,Adebayo,Herro or Shai Gilgeus,Collins,Reddish. Boylen screw us a 1,5 year. White,Lauri,Carter all can be solid if put in right situation to sucseed. Mirotic and Sean Kildraftpick robbed us Doncic or Young (although i am sure GarPax would choose Bagley). 2021 have 3 or 4 hall of fame level talents. Either we need to resign Lavine but in that case we need to found real number one (never did that through fa in history of Bulls), with him acknoweleged that he is second fidlle or trade him to be able to exceute perfect tank for Suggs,Green,Cade with turnover tank commander White. Free agents in 21 are John Collins,Lonzo Ball,Allen,DeRozan. If you have Lavine and one of these guys as two max players you are done as Nba franchise for 10 years. That would be utterly disaster move.

You have lavine for this year and next you try and build something with a guy who can drop 45, 7 and 7 instead of once again selling the draft hope drug because the truth is most of these contending teams have guys on their books making max and a lot of them are not good as lavine. If he earns the max give it to him. If not he has the value that by the trade deadline in 2022 we can still flip him for a asset.

Your next point is exactly why you dont go this route. You can blame who you want for someone "screwing" us out of draft position and certain players but the truth is, that's also the evidence of how unsure this route is. Bulls were playing Sean kildraftpick not lebron James yet he shines a bit and we lose out. In theory or on nba2k you can just press buttons and get some losing but in real life you can't just tell players stop playing hard. This is their nba careers its not on them to be worried about the bulls draft position its on them to perform well so they can keep a nba job. So years before its Sean kildraftpick, morotic etc this time around we can trade lavine and then lauri and Denzel valentine start going crazy because its contract year for them. That is the gamble tanking brings. It is no surety in it but it continues to get sold as if it is.

Not to mention how many years we hear about "best draft in years" "deep draft" and it turns out not being so? Bunch of guys we swear will be franchise changing just so years down the line its 1 or 2 all stars in the draft and the rest role players. We can't keep selling this dream its not a proven course. And alot of the reasons you posted above on how we "got screwed " or still only pieces of evidence how unsure tanking is.

You are seriously overrating value of Lavine. He had greenest light and freedom in last 4 years, to be pg,sg to shoot whenever wants and that lead us to excatly zero 30 win seasons and zero playoffs. He is scoring a lot but he is receiving almost excatly the same amount of points or even more at the other end. Morant,Sabonis,Shai led their teams to the playoffs scoring below 20 ppg because their play impacts winning. Tobias Harris led average Clippers team to playoffs in west. Beal with Wall and same running mate Zach have now, OPJ were in ecf few years ago. Oladipo with Young and Bogdanovic were in playoffs and played game 7 vs Lebron and Cavs. Younger players like Tatum,Brown and Smart played 3 ecf in a row. Siakam and Anonuby as same age or younger and cheaper contribute on championship team. Lavine constantly blew up at the end, still is not good defender,rebounder and at best is average facilitator.His vision got better but no where near to elite pg or pointfirwards types. Lavine as third guy for 80/4 sure. Lavine as franchise guy 1-7 pick every single year.

Your post is very disingenuous. You know as any bulls fan knows that lavine came into a situation where tanking and losing (your plan) was the agenda. This franchise was not about winning so then how can you compare what lavine was in a losing on purpose situation vs teams who were trying to win? Not to mention the horrible coaching that was here. So now if lavine leads the bulls to the playoffs this year with a solid coach and some roster improvements what does that say about your post here? If AK and eversly upgrade the roster some through trade its not hard to see this bulls team is prime to get into the playoffs.

This not about 1 player hoping they will be carrying the franchise. Its understanding you have 1 great piece now its time to add some guys. Things are always changing in the league. Kawhi could very well become available for example. He will come and join lavine. He not coming to join lauri and another 7th pick. You post as if guys with lavine ability are just laying all over the place. They are not.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

I have progressed -- or regressed, as Zach critics would have it -- from being firmly opposed to matching Sacramento's offer, to viewing Zach as the essential piece of the team. I don't want him traded unless the trade brings an All Star in his prime, or a #1 draft pick. Since neither is likely to occur, I don't want him traded. And I do want him re-signed in summer 2022.

What if it's at the max, or close to it?

I don't know what he's worth right now, but am curious what other people believe.

[mtron32]

It was this same dumb thinking that put us in this situation in the 1st place. Fans continuing to sell tanking and rebuilding as their get out of jail free card whenever the team is not a contender. The hope of landing the best in the draft resonates with them better then the strenuous process of actually building a contender through other means besides being horrible forever until you land a franchise caliber talent destined for future rings which only comes around once every maybe 15 years.

And although franchises have shown us over and over again there is another way to build a contender besides this old archaic tank it til you make it path some still come amongst fans selling this narrow path to success.

This ideology was the leading force behind sending off a legit all star talent in jimmy butler. The concept of just get bad led to us taking a pretty mediocre package back for Jimmy although we might have gotten a jewel with lavine, but other teams have gotten a lot of picks and we actually had to give up our pick to move up and get prospects.

Now the same redundant ideas are floating around here. Once again draft is being sold as the saving grace. We continue to believe top draft picks are destined to us. They are not. In the same sense, perpetual bad luck and lower picks that sit us right outside the spots we need to draft the best players can be there just as well and the past few years of drafting is evidence of this.

Here is an idea. How about we take the guy who dropped 45, 7 and 7 on good efficiency against some of the best defenders in the league, and build a team with him, you know add some other ball handlers , some rebounders, some depth maybe another all star or 2, I mean who knows maybe that can work. I mean it worked for I dont know half the dam league including the nba Champs for the past 5 years or so.

We got lavine coby and Patrick Williams here with a ton of cap space next season. Rather go that route then sending lavine off for some mediocre package on the basis that some fans just don't believe in him. The teams willing to give up a couple of picks will be good teams like the nets who picks just turn into late picks that mean nothing with short nba lives. We also can't keep loading our roster up with 7th pick level players who ultimately more times than not just become role players. Just like with the jimmy butler situation some of us just believe that the next all star talent is right around the corner. You could get rid of lavine and it taken you another 5 years before you land another guy half as good. Just like we shipped off jimmy and years later still haven't gotten a player as good as him. But we don't want to learn from the past. Because of that drug called hope we want to just repeat the same cycle over and over again while watching the rest of the league move on from the tanking model and build organically.

Pass that collection plate around Pastor.

[mtron32]

It was this same dumb thinking that put us in this situation in the 1st place. Fans continuing to sell tanking and rebuilding as their get out of jail free card whenever the team is not a contender. The hope of landing the best in the draft resonates with them better then the strenuous process of actually building a contender through other means besides being horrible forever until you land a franchise caliber talent destined for future rings which only comes around once every maybe 15 years.

And although franchises have shown us over and over again there is another way to build a contender besides this old archaic tank it til you make it path some still come amongst fans selling this narrow path to success.

This ideology was the leading force behind sending off a legit all star talent in jimmy butler. The concept of just get bad led to us taking a pretty mediocre package back for Jimmy although we might have gotten a jewel with lavine, but other teams have gotten a lot of picks and we actually had to give up our pick to move up and get prospects.

Now the same redundant ideas are floating around here. Once again draft is being sold as the saving grace. We continue to believe top draft picks are destined to us. They are not. In the same sense, perpetual bad luck and lower picks that sit us right outside the spots we need to draft the best players can be there just as well and the past few years of drafting is evidence of this.

Here is an idea. How about we take the guy who dropped 45, 7 and 7 on good efficiency against some of the best defenders in the league, and build a team with him, you know add some other ball handlers , some rebounders, some depth maybe another all star or 2, I mean who knows maybe that can work. I mean it worked for I dont know half the dam league including the nba Champs for the past 5 years or so.

We got lavine coby and Patrick Williams here with a ton of cap space next season. Rather go that route then sending lavine off for some mediocre package on the basis that some fans just don't believe in him. The teams willing to give up a couple of picks will be good teams like the nets who picks just turn into late picks that mean nothing with short nba lives. We also can't keep loading our roster up with 7th pick level players who ultimately more times than not just become role players. Just like with the jimmy butler situation some of us just believe that the next all star talent is right around the corner. You could get rid of lavine and it taken you another 5 years before you land another guy half as good. Just like we shipped off jimmy and years later still haven't gotten a player as good as him. But we don't want to learn from the past. Because of that drug called hope we want to just repeat the same cycle over and over again while watching the rest of the league move on from the tanking model and build organically.

I agree with this analysis.
The way I see it, Zach is the only bit of relative certainty we have on this roster - his trajectory is clearly defined, he's still young, and we can work with his strength (scoring, shooting, and improving playmaking) and around his flaws (defensive instincts, effort, and lapses in decisions on both ends). The rest of the roster is full of unknowns: is Porter healthy enough and will he revert to his ways once he gets a new paycheck (probably)? is Coby a PG? Can Williams develop elite offensive skills? Can Lauri become a reliable triple threat? Who is WCJ as an NBA player and can he at least be a dominant interior defender? At this point I can't be convinced of a path for any of these kids to become consistently elite at certain skills like Zach is at scoring.
Does it make sense to trade Zach for another set of unknowns that we would conveniently call "upside"? I think the answer is no - there's a high risk of being bad for a lot longer if we do. Right now AKME can be opportunistic and look to use our assets to find another player with confirmed elite skills that would complement Zach (especially on defense) while keeping a good amount of upside and flexibility

I fully believe WCJ needs to drop at least 15 pounds, maybe even 20. That'd give him much more quickness on his feet so he can really do damage.

[netduri2]

LaVine is tremendous in recent games but I don't think his tough shots continue to fall and those shot attempts can kill not only the opponents' defense but also his own teammates' offensive flow.

He has improved but is still a below-average defender. He lost his man in crunch time several times this season though he showed some nice defensive moments.

When he's on the floor our offensive rating is 112.6 and when he's off the floor it's 111.6 so the difference is very little.

On the other end when he's on the floor our defensive rating is 120.4 which is really terrible. When he's off the floor it dramatically drops to 107.1

offensive rating : on 112.6 off 111.6
defensive rating : on 120.4 off 107.1

OFC It's not all on Zach being a bad defender but it is certain at least he's a part of the problem. And it is notable that offensive rating difference between on-off is quite small despite of his great offensive performance.

I know we've played only 11 games of the season so let's see what's going to happen this season. But I'm still reluctant to give him 190mil / 5 year type big contract when his contract is expired.

[d boy gentleman]

Nobody wants to give Lavine for free. But realitty is, he is free agent after 21/22 season. There is two question are you willing to pay him 190/5 years, 35% of your salary and even if you are (my offer to Lavine is 100/4 max max, reality 90/4), and is he willing to stay or to sign somewhere as second or third option for 20 mil per season. Our strategy was correct but our execution wasnt. Even with 7 pick we could draft Mitchell,Adebayo,Herro or Shai Gilgeus,Collins,Reddish. Boylen screw us a 1,5 year. White,Lauri,Carter all can be solid if put in right situation to sucseed. Mirotic and Sean Kildraftpick robbed us Doncic or Young (although i am sure GarPax would choose Bagley). 2021 have 3 or 4 hall of fame level talents. Either we need to resign Lavine but in that case we need to found real number one (never did that through fa in history of Bulls), with him acknoweleged that he is second fidlle or trade him to be able to exceute perfect tank for Suggs,Green,Cade with turnover tank commander White. Free agents in 21 are John Collins,Lonzo Ball,Allen,DeRozan. If you have Lavine and one of these guys as two max players you are done as Nba franchise for 10 years. That would be utterly disaster move.

You have lavine for this year and next you try and build something with a guy who can drop 45, 7 and 7 instead of once again selling the draft hope drug because the truth is most of these contending teams have guys on their books making max and a lot of them are not good as lavine. If he earns the max give it to him. If not he has the value that by the trade deadline in 2022 we can still flip him for a asset.

Your next point is exactly why you dont go this route. You can blame who you want for someone "screwing" us out of draft position and certain players but the truth is, that's also the evidence of how unsure this route is. Bulls were playing Sean kildraftpick not lebron James yet he shines a bit and we lose out. In theory or on nba2k you can just press buttons and get some losing but in real life you can't just tell players stop playing hard. This is their nba careers its not on them to be worried about the bulls draft position its on them to perform well so they can keep a nba job. So years before its Sean kildraftpick, morotic etc this time around we can trade lavine and then lauri and Denzel valentine start going crazy because its contract year for them. That is the gamble tanking brings. It is no surety in it but it continues to get sold as if it is.

Not to mention how many years we hear about "best draft in years" "deep draft" and it turns out not being so? Bunch of guys we swear will be franchise changing just so years down the line its 1 or 2 all stars in the draft and the rest role players. We can't keep selling this dream its not a proven course. And alot of the reasons you posted above on how we "got screwed " or still only pieces of evidence how unsure tanking is.

Not to mention the lottery odds being changed that have made tanking nulll and void that pro tankers seem to have forgotten about.

[Brothaman33]

It was this same dumb thinking that put us in this situation in the 1st place. Fans continuing to sell tanking and rebuilding as their get out of jail free card whenever the team is not a contender. The hope of landing the best in the draft resonates with them better then the strenuous process of actually building a contender through other means besides being horrible forever until you land a franchise caliber talent destined for future rings which only comes around once every maybe 15 years.

And although franchises have shown us over and over again there is another way to build a contender besides this old archaic tank it til you make it path some still come amongst fans selling this narrow path to success.

This ideology was the leading force behind sending off a legit all star talent in jimmy butler. The concept of just get bad led to us taking a pretty mediocre package back for Jimmy although we might have gotten a jewel with lavine, but other teams have gotten a lot of picks and we actually had to give up our pick to move up and get prospects.

Now the same redundant ideas are floating around here. Once again draft is being sold as the saving grace. We continue to believe top draft picks are destined to us. They are not. In the same sense, perpetual bad luck and lower picks that sit us right outside the spots we need to draft the best players can be there just as well and the past few years of drafting is evidence of this.

Here is an idea. How about we take the guy who dropped 45, 7 and 7 on good efficiency against some of the best defenders in the league, and build a team with him, you know add some other ball handlers , some rebounders, some depth maybe another all star or 2, I mean who knows maybe that can work. I mean it worked for I dont know half the dam league including the nba Champs for the past 5 years or so.

We got lavine coby and Patrick Williams here with a ton of cap space next season. Rather go that route then sending lavine off for some mediocre package on the basis that some fans just don't believe in him. The teams willing to give up a couple of picks will be good teams like the nets who picks just turn into late picks that mean nothing with short nba lives. We also can't keep loading our roster up with 7th pick level players who ultimately more times than not just become role players. Just like with the jimmy butler situation some of us just believe that the next all star talent is right around the corner. You could get rid of lavine and it taken you another 5 years before you land another guy half as good. Just like we shipped off jimmy and years later still haven't gotten a player as good as him. But we don't want to learn from the past. Because of that drug called hope we want to just repeat the same cycle over and over again while watching the rest of the league move on from the tanking model and build organically.

I could not agree with this post more. This is spot on.

[RagingBull316]

It was this same dumb thinking that put us in this situation in the 1st place. Fans continuing to sell tanking and rebuilding as their get out of jail free card whenever the team is not a contender. The hope of landing the best in the draft resonates with them better then the strenuous process of actually building a contender through other means besides being horrible forever until you land a franchise caliber talent destined for future rings which only comes around once every maybe 15 years.

And although franchises have shown us over and over again there is another way to build a contender besides this old archaic tank it til you make it path some still come amongst fans selling this narrow path to success.

This ideology was the leading force behind sending off a legit all star talent in jimmy butler. The concept of just get bad led to us taking a pretty mediocre package back for Jimmy although we might have gotten a jewel with lavine, but other teams have gotten a lot of picks and we actually had to give up our pick to move up and get prospects.

Now the same redundant ideas are floating around here. Once again draft is being sold as the saving grace. We continue to believe top draft picks are destined to us. They are not. In the same sense, perpetual bad luck and lower picks that sit us right outside the spots we need to draft the best players can be there just as well and the past few years of drafting is evidence of this.

Here is an idea. How about we take the guy who dropped 45, 7 and 7 on good efficiency against some of the best defenders in the league, and build a team with him, you know add some other ball handlers , some rebounders, some depth maybe another all star or 2, I mean who knows maybe that can work. I mean it worked for I dont know half the dam league including the nba Champs for the past 5 years or so.

We got lavine coby and Patrick Williams here with a ton of cap space next season. Rather go that route then sending lavine off for some mediocre package on the basis that some fans just don't believe in him. The teams willing to give up a couple of picks will be good teams like the nets who picks just turn into late picks that mean nothing with short nba lives. We also can't keep loading our roster up with 7th pick level players who ultimately more times than not just become role players. Just like with the jimmy butler situation some of us just believe that the next all star talent is right around the corner. You could get rid of lavine and it taken you another 5 years before you land another guy half as good. Just like we shipped off jimmy and years later still haven't gotten a player as good as him. But we don't want to learn from the past. Because of that drug called hope we want to just repeat the same cycle over and over again while watching the rest of the league move on from the tanking model and build organically.

I think the biggest reason so many Bulls fans think this way, is because this is what GAR/PAX and the media sold them on for the past 5 years. They had to justify trading Jimmy away in his prime rather then building around him, so they made it seem like this was the only way they would have the "flexibility" to become a contender again.

As many argued at the time, and we are arguing again. If you trade your best player, and you get lucky and draft a replacement as good as him. You end up back in the same spot only you wasted 5-6 years.

[DroseReturnChi]

Your next point is exactly why you dont go this route. You can blame who you want for someone "screwing" us out of draft position and certain players but the truth is, that's also the evidence of how unsure this route is. Bulls were playing Sean kildraftpick not lebron James yet he shines a bit and we lose out. In theory or on nba2k you can just press buttons and get some losing but in real life you can't just tell players stop playing hard. This is their nba careers its not on them to be worried about the bulls draft position its on them to perform well so they can keep a nba job. So years before its Sean kildraftpick, morotic etc this time around we can trade lavine and then lauri and Denzel valentine start going crazy because its contract year for them. That is the gamble tanking brings. It is no surety in it but it continues to get sold as if it is.

Not to mention how many years we hear about "best draft in years" "deep draft" and it turns out not being so? Bunch of guys we swear will be franchise changing just so years down the line its 1 or 2 all stars in the draft and the rest role players. We can't keep selling this dream its not a proven course. And alot of the reasons you posted above on how we "got screwed " or still only pieces of evidence how unsure tanking is.

Lavine is the killadraftpick bc he is good enough not to land you Doncic which cost the franchise decade back. Even Young as a consolation prize would have been good at 4. I really think your the one on drugs not me when you keep making false promise Lavine is a 45ppg guy and will be a lifetime Bull. IMO, Lavine hates chicago more than anyone in the team and he is ucla guy he likes hot weather his next destination will be LA or florida.
Like I said, guys like Lavine are littered just pick one up in FA like Hornets did after you get 2 superstars. I want 19 yr olds in their rookie contracts making mvps not some washed up 30 yr olds making max at the end of their career which is why I hated Butler.
I mean casual fans want their guy to grab the bag but when your a business owner, 200mil is a lot of investment to make you just dont hand off like your playing 2k.

[DroseReturnChi]

Not to mention the lottery odds being changed that have made tanking nulll and void that pro tankers seem to have forgotten about.

I think your brainwashed by the anti tankers rhetoric. Go check tankathon and tell me how a top 10 pick has same value as the top 5 pick? In fact, the new lottery odds encourage more tanking bc you dont need worst record like hardcore Hinkie genius. If im the gm, i get rid of Lavine/Porter/Young and order my players to go for 20 wins good enough for 40% top 4 and 10% top pick.
This season im really enjoying the moral victories its better to bumslay by 3rd quarter and put scrubs to get a juicy L.
Tanking guarantees greatness bc it guarantees an all star value every yr. Dont like the prospect well trade for all stars.

[Dez]

Not to mention the lottery odds being changed that have made tanking nulll and void that pro tankers seem to have forgotten about.

I think your brainwashed by the anti tankers rhetoric. Go check tankathon and tell me how a top 10 pick has same value as the top 5 pick? In fact, the new lottery odds encourage more tanking bc you dont need worst record like hardcore Hinkie genius. If im the gm, i get rid of Lavine/Porter/Young and order my players to go for 20 wins good enough for 40% top 4 and 10% top pick.
This season im really enjoying the moral victories its better to bumslay by 3rd quarter and put scrubs to get a juicy L.
Tanking guarantees greatness bc it guarantees an all star value every yr. Dont like the prospect well trade for all stars.

This is one of the most bizarre and inaccurate takes I have ever seen.

[troza]

Right now it makes no sense. Wait for closer to the deadline. Take a chance. He will have more games to prove his value, contenders will see the need to get him ASAP and then you will be able to ask a lot from him.

That's the only way you can trade him while not looking desperate to trade him, giving you more power to demand from the other teams... either another young player or picks.

[Onibuh]

Right now it makes no sense. Wait for closer to the deadline. Take a chance. He will have more games to prove his value, contenders will see the need to get him ASAP and then you will be able to ask a lot from him.

That's the only way you can trade him while not looking desperate to trade him, giving you more power to demand from the other teams... either another young player or picks.

What do you expect a contending team to give up? 2 FRP that will end up #25 or even later? Added with a younger player like Valentine once was or Hutchison is? That's doing nothing for the team and trading him for a guy like Kuzma does nothing for the Bulls going forward.

The plan always was to add assets, add talent and then - that's the stage the Bulls are at - evaluate what you got and improve with it. Improved coaching, now it's about seeing who you can keep going forward (White, Lavine, Williams for sure). Those are the guys that will put you into the position to improve via trade/FAs. Bulls aren't old, getting rid of everything and enter a full tank. Next step is to make the POs, this will open up the interest for sure with GarPax/Boylen gone.

[rtblues]

Too many people here have been reading too much Joe Cowley

[MisterRoy]

For the guys/gals who want to trade Zach and get a kings ransom for him, I am interested to know which teams you think are trade partners? Which assets will they be giving up?


Sent from somewhere you've never been.

[qianlong]

I'm coming around on Lavine. I still think he is not a franchise player or a first option on a championship level team and the max deals is significant. In addition next year draft seems to be quite good at the top even if without generational talent.

That said he is a crafty scorer and there is a bigger chance to attract good players while having some known names and a playoff team, even if a first round exit. I can hardly see an all star in his prime wanting to go to a rebuilding team. I would try to extend him for something below the max 5/160-170

I'm open to trading Lavine but for a great deal. I would try to move around some of the other four main guys: Porter, Lauri, White, WCJ, and some of the veteran role players: Thad and Sato in order to get a different look/gamble/pick.
The main four are all underwhelming but each of them may attract some teams, they have some value left. They are not bad, but the three picks all look like role players and none of them as a potential all star. We need to get a second good piece to help Zach.

I'm not so confident in Williams ad an all star, but he is on the rookie scale and he is already competent, rare for a rookie, and young. He seems to be in the Otto Porter mold and that is a valuable piece. He already surprised me by being able to handle the SF positions so I hope for additional unexpected improvements.

[troza]

Right now it makes no sense. Wait for closer to the deadline. Take a chance. He will have more games to prove his value, contenders will see the need to get him ASAP and then you will be able to ask a lot from him.

That's the only way you can trade him while not looking desperate to trade him, giving you more power to demand from the other teams... either another young player or picks.

What do you expect a contending team to give up? 2 FRP that will end up #25 or even later? Added with a younger player like Valentine once was or Hutchison is? That's doing nothing for the team and trading him for a guy like Kuzma does nothing for the Bulls going forward.

The plan always was to add assets, add talent and then - that's the stage the Bulls are at - evaluate what you got and improve with it. Improved coaching, now it's about seeing who you can keep going forward (White, Lavine, Williams for sure). Those are the guys that will put you into the position to improve via trade/FAs. Bulls aren't old, getting rid of everything and enter a full tank. Next step is to make the POs, this will open up the interest for sure with GarPax/Boylen gone.

I didn't mention but there is no way to know now if he is someone to trade or to be part of the future. At least for me, so I haven't voted.

I just wanted to state that trading now makes no sense. So... for now I couldn't tell if he was part of the future or if we should trade him. I just know that right now it makes no sense trading him for nothing.

About the long term strategy, I agree... he is not hold, he is a guy that seems to work super hard on his game so... for now, I'm inclined to say that we should keep him. The thing is the possible big contract he will ask. Will he ask for a super big contract? Will the Bulls want to give that? Will the Bulls risk loosing him for nothing?

So far that's what it is. We might have more questions later as we do not know if a good offer might be available.

For me, right now it makes sense to keep him.

[VolumePoster]

It’s impossible to answer this question without knowing the particulars of the trade. I have strong doubts we can match the value of Zach, so I would favor keeping him. That said, his value is high right now, as it should be. IF a trade is to take place, the time is fast approaching.

[Fastbrk4brkfast]

Too many people here have been reading too much Joe Cowley

I wouldn't be surprised if one or several of us are Joe Cowley.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/platform/amp/bulls/2021/1/11/22224978/trade-zach-lavine-or-ride-road-mediocrity-bulls-must-decide

Yesterday's Sun-Times article about trading Zach brought me back to this topic. Zach's only 25. He's top-5 at his position (probably top-6 when Klay returns) and has a lot of good basketball left ahead of him in his career. The Bulls should take advantage of his services for another contract. What I'm looking for isn't a championship at all costs but consistent, sustained excellence. Trading Zach makes this team substantially worse and I don't think we can handle that now. That's the road to mediocrity imo. In a couple years the younger players around Zach will have grown to the point where the team can absorb his loss but right now he's a necessity.

GarPax hemmed themselves into a position where the only trade asset they had was Jimmy. I'd like to think AKME can do better with Zach. We don't have to roll with Zach all the way to retirement but I think holding onto him for 2 more years will produce a consistently competitive team AND make him an even more impactful trade piece down the line.

[troza]

Too many people here have been reading too much Joe Cowley

I wouldn't be surprised if one or several of us are Joe Cowley.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/platform/amp/bulls/2021/1/11/22224978/trade-zach-lavine-or-ride-road-mediocrity-bulls-must-decide

Yesterday's Sun-Times article about trading Zach brought me back to this topic. Zach's only 25. He's top-5 at his position (probably top-6 when Klay returns) and has a lot of good basketball left ahead of him in his career. The Bulls should take advantage of his services for another contract. What I'm looking for isn't a championship at all costs but consistent, sustained excellence. Trading Zach makes this team substantially worse and I don't think we can handle that now. That's the road to mediocrity imo. In a couple years the younger players around Zach will have grown to the point where the team can absorb his loss but right now he's a necessity.

GarPax hemmed themselves into a position where the only trade asset they had was Jimmy. I'd like to think AKME can do better with Zach. We don't have to roll with Zach all the way to retirement but I think holding onto him for 2 more years will produce a consistently competitive team AND make him an even more impactful trade piece down the line.

I will add one more thing... if he works as hard as it seems, it is good to have in while developing other players. We need players like that to make everyone go the extra mile to improve, even if that player isn't the best in the world but gives the example.