Bears talk 2.0; Fields era begins for real for real

[Betta Bulleavit]

Common denominator of the terrible offense in recent seasons: Nagy

Agreed 100%. We need him gone so bad! Nobody has looked exceptional under him.

Hard to do anything with no Oline.

Nagy’s issues precede the issues with the offensive line. His excuses are done. He’s his behind Mitch for 3 seasons. I’ll be damned if he’s about to hide behind the Oline now. No more for this clown.

[Kurt Heimlich]

Welp my "excitement" for the Bears has switched from 'what can Fields do' to 'how long can this carnival continue before one of the dinosaurs at Halas Hall wake up to fire Pace and Nagy?'

[weneeda2guard]

Some of this is on the play calling

Nine sacks is not all on the o line that's also on a qb who is not seeing where the plays are developing and where the rusher is coming from. That's all on him being a rookie. Browns defense is good but our protection and fields being green out there made them look like the 85 bears smh

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

How can anyone defend Nagy after what we keep seeing week after week, year after year from this guy. It’s embarrassing how this team is ran.

[Stratmaster]

Why Nagy didn’t max protect in this game is amazing.

Can’t run his “system” that way I reckon.

Spread it out over and over against a top flight DLine with a rookie QB and a questionable Oline.

9 sacks, that's not on Fields. This stubbornness is going to be Nagy's undoing. He put Fields and the offensive line in a terrible position to succeed today.

9 sacks not all on fields, definitely. But it is somewhat on him. How many times do you think Dalton would have been sacked? I would guess probably three or four. The ball would have been gone much earlier. Like I said, there is plenty of blame to go around.

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[TheStig]

Agreed 100%. We need him gone so bad! Nobody has looked exceptional under him.

Hard to do anything with no Oline.

Nagy’s issues precede the issues with the offensive line. His excuses are done. He’s his behind Mitch for 3 seasons. I’ll be damned if he’s about to hide behind the Oline now. No more for this clown.

His issues? He made the playoffs 2 out of 3 years and has a winning record without a real QB the whole time. What were your expectations for these teams? I'd say he's met or exceed expectations that you could have with the talent. I'm not saying he's great but looking back, what more did you expect from this team?

[Stratmaster]

I think we have witnessed the worst performance by an O Line in modern history

I think the offensive line is indeed horrible. But I also think your comment is coming up with excuses for fields

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[Jcool0]

So Matt Nagy is an okay head coach, but a terrible play caller. Also doesn't seem like the team has quit on him yet. But would you fire him now? Or replace him after the season?

[fleet]

Spoiler:

Why Nagy didn’t max protect in this game is amazing.

Can’t run his “system” that way I reckon.

Spread it out over and over against a top flight DLine with a rookie QB and a questionable Oline.

9 sacks, that's not on Fields. This stubbornness is going to be Nagy's undoing. He put Fields and the offensive line in a terrible position to succeed today.

9 sex is not all on fields, definitely. But it is somewhat on him. How many times do you think Dalton would have been sacked? I would guess probably three or four. The ball would have been gone much earlier. Like I said, there is plenty of blame to go around.

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The calls did him no favors. Cut the field in half with boots and rolls, give him less to think about. And of course, chip and double the monster pass rusher for God sakes.

[Stratmaster]

Hard to do anything with no Oline.

Nagy’s issues precede the issues with the offensive line. His excuses are done. He’s his behind Mitch for 3 seasons. I’ll be damned if he’s about to hide behind the Oline now. No more for this clown.

His issues? He made the playoffs 2 out of 3 years and has a winning record without a real QB the whole time. What were your expectations for these teams? I'd say he's met or exceed expectations that you could have with the talent. I'm not saying he's great but looking back, what more did you expect from this team?

He is on his second highly-touted quarterback

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[chicagoballer]

How can anyone defend Nagy after what we keep seeing week after week, year after year from this guy. It’s embarrassing how this team is ran.

This is why Phillips needs to go. Coaches and Gm are held accountable by the president. If the Nagy and pace pitched a plan to improve every season and it clearly wasnt working, the president should fire them. Phillips is not the right leader and doesn’t know enough football to know if their plans and schemes are feasible.

They need to hire a football knowledgeable president or have a board of advisors that help make all football decisions and Phillips just handles the money side.

[Stratmaster]

Spoiler:

Spread it out over and over against a top flight DLine with a rookie QB and a questionable Oline.

9 sacks, that's not on Fields. This stubbornness is going to be Nagy's undoing. He put Fields and the offensive line in a terrible position to succeed today.

9 sex is not all on fields, definitely. But it is somewhat on him. How many times do you think Dalton would have been sacked? I would guess probably three or four. The ball would have been gone much earlier. Like I said, there is plenty of blame to go around.

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The calls did him no favors. Cut the field in half with boots and rolls, give him less to think about. And of course, chip and double the monster pass rusher for God sakes.

Agreed

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[GetBuLLish]

Take any skill in the world you want to learn that is a competitive skill. Do you think you will get better practicing 2 hours a week with no or minimal competition or 4 hours a week with and full competition. This isn't differential equations here, this is plain old common sense about how people learn things and it applies to literally anything you want to learn. I can't think of a single thing I learned way better by watching someone else do it than by practicing and doing it myself. The idea is simply absurd on the surface.

This is a simplistic way of thinking about things.

First of all, the decision on when to start Fields affects more than just Fields, it affects the whole team. If it is true that Dalton is noticeably better than FIelds right now, then starting Fields sends a message to the rest of the team that this season is basically meaningless for them. Now maybe in the grand scheme of things, it's still the right decision (especially considering the Bears aren't going to win anyway even with Dalton starting). But it's a factor the coach has to consider when he stands in front of his team every day and tries convincing them to fight for wins. Beyond that, again, if Dalton is the better player now, that likely means the other offensive players are going to play worse, which for soon-to-be free agents might mean they will make less money. Defensive players will likely play worse too since they'll be spending more time on the field, which increases their risk of injury, which could seriously impact their next contracts.

Long story short, the decision on Fields isn't limited to him only. It has fallout effects on the rest of the franchise.

Second, even if you just focus on Fields, the premise that he will automatically be better if he starts right away is just not true. You attempt to liken the situation to any other type of endeavor, but even that falls short. Let's take for example a lawyer coming right out of law school. Would it necessarily benefit him if his employer had him single handedly try a massive lawsuit in front of a jury, despite him clearly being ill-prepared and destined for embarrassing failure? No. Sure it might benefit him in the long run. But the experience could also scar him psychologically (especially if the trial loss is publicized and tarnishes his reputation). It might also teach him bad habits that he never shakes. It might even make him feel entitled to always having big cases since he was undeservedly gifted one right out of the gate and therefore causes him to put in less effort.

All these potential considerations apply to Gase's decision to start Fields. In addition, football carries the unique potential of injury. If Fields is truly not ready to play at a professional level, that likely means he isn't able to accurately and efficiently read defenses, in which case he would be more susceptible to getting hit, which would increase his risk of injury. This risk is further compounded if the coach knows his offensive line isn't good.

I mean, today's game basically proved all these potentials could come to fruition. What exactly did Fields learning getting sacked 8 times? What exactly did he learn completing 6 passes for 68 yards and rushing for 12? Maybe this will help him. But maybe it won't. And even if it were to help him, would it have been worth it if Fields got seriously injured?

It's just not nearly as simple as you make it seem. Today proved that.

[Stratmaster]

Go Bulls!

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[fleet]

I think we have witnessed the worst performance by an O Line in modern history

I think the offensive line is indeed horrible. But I also think your comment is coming up with excuses for fields

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Not sure how much any rookie is supposed to be good at in the first place, and especially getting thrown into that fire after running the scout team.

[Betta Bulleavit]

Hard to do anything with no Oline.

Nagy’s issues precede the issues with the offensive line. His excuses are done. He’s his behind Mitch for 3 seasons. I’ll be damned if he’s about to hide behind the Oline now. No more for this clown.

His issues? He made the playoffs 2 out of 3 years and has a winning record without a real QB the whole time. What were your expectations for these teams? I'd say he's met or exceed expectations that you could have with the talent. I'm not saying he's great but looking back, what more did you expect from this team?

He made the playoffs last year primarily due to defense and the expanded field. This offense has been a problem ever since he’s been here. And in the brief time that it wasn’t a problem, he wasn’t the one calling the plays. And then, inexplicably, he took it back. And what do we have again?? An offense that’s bad. He’s not the only problem. But as of now, he and Pace are the longest running ones.

[Stratmaster]

I think we have witnessed the worst performance by an O Line in modern history

I think the offensive line is indeed horrible. But I also think your comment is coming up with excuses for fields

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Not sure how much any rookie is supposed to be good at in the first place, and especially getting thrown into that fire after running the scout team.

Which is why he wasn't starting game 1. The scout team stuff is just...well... I agree to disagree

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[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

So Matt Nagy is an okay head coach, but a terrible play caller. Also doesn't seem like the team has quit on him yet. But would you fire him now? Or replace him after the season?

I dont think he is even ok, its not just the playcalling. Fire him, promote Lazor to interim and find the right guy for Fields and the team after this season. Joe Brady Possibly.

[GinWeary]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/game/_/gameId/301003019

Oh, sorry...wrong recap. I feel like this has been on repeat for over a decade now.

[fleet]

I think the offensive line is indeed horrible. But I also think your comment is coming up with excuses for fields

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Not sure how much any rookie is supposed to be good at in the first place, and especially getting thrown into that fire after running the scout team.

Which is why he wasn't starting game 1. The scout team stuff is just...well... I agree to disagree

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If Alex Smith was the alternative I would agree about game 1. But its Dalton. The Bears arent gonna score this year with anyone, may as well give the rookie his chance to work out the growth process ASAP. That is good for Wilson and Lawrence, it is good for Fields. That being said, if he is not in danger of death.