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BeatDaCavs420 wrote:burlydee wrote:BeatDaCavs420 wrote:I already know how this ends...Nobody wants these guys for what Ak is asking for.
Bc his asks are ridiculous. He doesn't have any vision. The assumption is guys like thos gets jobs because they are very smart about team building. With AK, that is clearly not the case.
Because his vision is still stuck on that run this team had when Ball was healthy..He can't shake it lol
It's not confusing. The Bulls are looking for moves that improve the team. Not tear it down. The moves aren't there, so they aren't making them.burlydee wrote:ch434355 wrote:I seriously can't believe we're debating on keeping this things together over a mild hot streak
It's not even a hot streak. Bulls are 5-5 over there last 10. Everyone is confused by this franchise.
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Guru wrote:burlydee wrote:Guru wrote:Why would you take 2 late firsts for Caruso? He impacts games at a very high level and a late first is just a lotto pick.
Because the Bulls aren't going to be competitive during the life of his contract and then they'll have to overpay to keep him.
He is the perfect compliment to White, he forces everyone on the team to play hard, he is one of the best defenders in the league.
What would you consider an overpay and why would the Bulls have to do that?
Ridiculous comparison. It's been accepted in sports that it is better to start slow and finish strong since the invention of sports.jnrjr79 wrote:Stratmaster wrote:But you get to pretend the last 32 games (a majority of the season) didn't happen?jnrjr79 wrote:
The Bulls are 24-27. They have not won 60% of their games. We don't just get to pretend the beginning of the season didn't occur. Even with the recent improved play, the Bulls are basically bum-slaying. They have a good record against bad teams and a bad record against good teams. There is zero reason to believe this team, as currently constructed, is going anywhere in the playoffs. I'm enjoying the Coby White experience as much as anyone else, but pretending this team is actually good is pretty silly.
I'm not saying it should change your mind. But if you are debating it, you should probably explain why the last 32 games means less than the first 19 games.
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No, I'm literally doing the exact opposite of that. I'm considering the recent stretch of play and the beginning of the season, because that's the actual reality of this season, not some cherry-picked subset of it.
Let's use this analogy. I go to Vegas for a week. Over the first two days, I lose $10,000. Over the rest of the trip, I win $9,000. When I get home, do I get to tell my wife that she should be happy because, despite the fact I lost a thousand bucks, I played really well during the final five days of my trip?
Stratmaster wrote:It's not confusing. The Bulls are looking for moves that improve the team. Not tear it down. The moves aren't there, so they aren't making them.burlydee wrote:ch434355 wrote:I seriously can't believe we're debating on keeping this things together over a mild hot streak
It's not even a hot streak. Bulls are 5-5 over there last 10. Everyone is confused by this franchise.
DDR should have been gone a year ago. Vuc probably as well, although they likely couldn't improve the team by trading him.
They have been trying to trade Lavine for a year. I personally think that was the wrong guy, but they put him out there because they thought they could improve the team. He plays a position of depth for them and could have possibly gotten them an actual PF and a pick. Didn't happen.
AKME screwed the pooch a long time ago. But making the team worse now for the sake of saying "we did something" is just plain stupid.
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Stratmaster wrote:Ridiculous comparison. It's been accepted in sports that it is better to start slow and finish strong since the invention of sports.jnrjr79 wrote:Stratmaster wrote:But you get to pretend the last 32 games (a majority of the season) didn't happen?
I'm not saying it should change your mind. But if you are debating it, you should probably explain why the last 32 games means less than the first 19 games.
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No, I'm literally doing the exact opposite of that. I'm considering the recent stretch of play and the beginning of the season, because that's the actual reality of this season, not some cherry-picked subset of it.
Let's use this analogy. I go to Vegas for a week. Over the first two days, I lose $10,000. Over the rest of the trip, I win $9,000. When I get home, do I get to tell my wife that she should be happy because, despite the fact I lost a thousand bucks, I played really well during the final five days of my trip?
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Guru wrote:BeatDaCavs420 wrote:burlydee wrote:
Bc his asks are ridiculous. He doesn't have any vision. The assumption is guys like thos gets jobs because they are very smart about team building. With AK, that is clearly not the case.
Because his vision is still stuck on that run this team had when Ball was healthy..He can't shake it lol
He was willing to trade Lavine.
burlydee wrote:Guru wrote:Why would you take 2 late firsts for Caruso? He impacts games at a very high level and a late first is just a lotto pick.
Because the Bulls aren't going to be competitive during the life of his contract and then they'll have to overpay to keep him.
Red8911 wrote:Guru wrote:burlydee wrote:
Because the Bulls aren't going to be competitive during the life of his contract and then they'll have to overpay to keep him.
He is the perfect compliment to White, he forces everyone on the team to play hard, he is one of the best defenders in the league.
What would you consider an overpay and why would the Bulls have to do that?
Don’t even bother these guys think any first round picks are = gold.
MikeDC wrote:burlydee wrote:Guru wrote:Why would you take 2 late firsts for Caruso? He impacts games at a very high level and a late first is just a lotto pick.
Because the Bulls aren't going to be competitive during the life of his contract and then they'll have to overpay to keep him.
Yep. Caruso doesn't impact games at a high-enough level that he's going to change our fortunes much. Will we be a little worse in the short-run? Yeah. But not a lot.
Why? We're a lot better placed to lose Caruso than pretty much anyone else. If he's gone, what happens? We have more Ayo, more Pat, and more Craig. All solid options.
The return we get from trading Caruso is the highest of anyone we could likely trade. And the downside, in terms of actual impact on the court, is actually pretty low, because we've got more credible options to soak up those minutes.
[list=][*]Lose Caruso, and we can fill in with Ayo, Pat, Craig, etc. Not as good, but still good enough to win games.
[*]Lose Drummond, and we fill in with ??? Nobody else on the team can do that. Maybe we can go out and get a guy for cheapish though.
[*]Lose DeRozan, and and we fill in with ??? Again... we have nobody else who actually does what he does at anything close to the same level. Guys like that aren't available. Doesn't mean we shouldn't consider trading him (we should) but the point I'm making is that Caruso is much more expendable.[/list]
MikeDC wrote:burlydee wrote:Guru wrote:Why would you take 2 late firsts for Caruso? He impacts games at a very high level and a late first is just a lotto pick.
Because the Bulls aren't going to be competitive during the life of his contract and then they'll have to overpay to keep him.
Yep. Caruso doesn't impact games at a high-enough level that he's going to change our fortunes much. Will we be a little worse in the short-run? Yeah. But not a lot.
jump wrote:Half of you guys are arguing that a team can't improve during the course of the season. Do you realize that? It's an absurd assertion.
Stratmaster wrote:He isn't wrong. The Bulls have been a very good team and a fun team to watch for the last two months (a majority of the season). Ask anyone. Everyone says so.ScrantonBulls wrote:Ccwatercraft wrote:
I'll be honest, I would probably post a lot more but after reading 7 pages of reading what sounds like a bunch of old ladies on nextdoor complaining about hobby lobby running low on quilting material I just shake my head & close the browser.
Y'all suck the fun out of the fan experience, fun suckers.
It's not the inept organization that botched the team's present and future that is ruining the fan experience? It's the people calling them out on it? Well played, AK.
So yeah... if they are now good and fun, then all the petulant entitled whining is kind of fun sucking. Isn't it?
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I'm confused. What strawman argument do you think i am making?burlydee wrote:Stratmaster wrote:It's not confusing. The Bulls are looking for moves that improve the team. Not tear it down. The moves aren't there, so they aren't making them.burlydee wrote:
It's not even a hot streak. Bulls are 5-5 over there last 10. Everyone is confused by this franchise.
DDR should have been gone a year ago. Vuc probably as well, although they likely couldn't improve the team by trading him.
They have been trying to trade Lavine for a year. I personally think that was the wrong guy, but they put him out there because they thought they could improve the team. He plays a position of depth for them and could have possibly gotten them an actual PF and a pick. Didn't happen.
AKME screwed the pooch a long time ago. But making the team worse now for the sake of saying "we did something" is just plain stupid.
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The moves will never be there. There is no way to make the current version of the team competitive with their assets. That is why sports media is confused. The Bulls goals make no sense given the team and their assets.
Nobody is arguing for making the team worse to just do something. People want the team to recoup assets to start building for the future. You can disagree, but don't create a strawman to argue with. The current Bulls have no future. Let's plan for what's next.