Patrick Williams is having his worst year

[ShouldaPaidBG]

I'll never understand why he doesn't crash the boards. Before I thought it was Billy telling him not to, but all the other players do it. You don't even need an IQ to do that. I don't understand.

I also don't understand why he doesn't jump off 2 feet. He's so clearly a 2 footed jumper, he gets up twice as high. If he moved in the paint like Huerter does he'd get an extra 10 points a game.

The fact that he hasn't come remotely close to figuring these things out is really depressing.

[sco]

I'll never understand why he doesn't crash the boards. Before I thought it was Billy telling him not to, but all the other players do it. You don't even need an IQ to do that. I don't understand.

I also don't understand why he doesn't jump off 2 feet. He's so clearly a 2 footed jumper, he gets up twice as high. If he moved in the paint like Huerter does he'd get an extra 10 points a game.

The fact that he hasn't come remotely close to figuring these things out is really depressing.

why doesn't he dunk with 2 hands instead of flailing? the answer to these and many other questions is that "he lacks self-awareness".

[eierluke]

I'll never understand why he doesn't crash the boards. Before I thought it was Billy telling him not to, but all the other players do it. You don't even need an IQ to do that. I don't understand.

I also don't understand why he doesn't jump off 2 feet. He's so clearly a 2 footed jumper, he gets up twice as high. If he moved in the paint like Huerter does he'd get an extra 10 points a game.

The fact that he hasn't come remotely close to figuring these things out is really depressing.

He's Eddy Curry 2.0.
Some things you can't teach

[Jcool0]

I'll never understand why he doesn't crash the boards. Before I thought it was Billy telling him not to, but all the other players do it. You don't even need an IQ to do that. I don't understand.

I also don't understand why he doesn't jump off 2 feet. He's so clearly a 2 footed jumper, he gets up twice as high. If he moved in the paint like Huerter does he'd get an extra 10 points a game.

The fact that he hasn't come remotely close to figuring these things out is really depressing.

He's Eddy Curry 2.0.
Some things you can't teach

Eddy Curry had a 340 game stretch where he averaged 16/6 (including a 19.5/7 season). I think most Bulls fans would be ecstatic if Williams could get to that.

[sco]

I'll never understand why he doesn't crash the boards. Before I thought it was Billy telling him not to, but all the other players do it. You don't even need an IQ to do that. I don't understand.

I also don't understand why he doesn't jump off 2 feet. He's so clearly a 2 footed jumper, he gets up twice as high. If he moved in the paint like Huerter does he'd get an extra 10 points a game.

The fact that he hasn't come remotely close to figuring these things out is really depressing.

He's Eddy Curry 2.0.
Some things you can't teach

Eddy Curry had a 340 game stretch where he averaged 16/6 (including a 19.5/7 season). I think most Bulls fans would be ecstatic if Williams could get to that.

I think the point is that he thinks Pat doesn't love basketball and gained weight due to a lack of work. But those numbers would be great.

It is undeniable that Pat has gained weight and is slower on defense and on offense, he is a bad ball handler and an efficient scorer in the paint. My optimistic view is that Pat's weight gain and poor season stemmed from his foot issue. I know it's easy to forget but that was a real lingering problem with a lot of us wondering how much of this season he'd miss. And foot problems are really tough for the offseason to get any real work in. If he can stay healthy through the offseason, I think we'll see a better version of Pat next season, because I think he actually has a good work ethic. He's no star, but I think he can become a guy who is a useful role player...maybe even a guy who can get to the value of his contract and be tradeable after next season.

[Ice Man]

Eddy Curry had a 340 game stretch where he averaged 16/6 (including a 19.5/7 season). I think most Bulls fans would be ecstatic if Williams could get to that.

Eddy was the better, more talented prospect. Bigger, stronger, more post skills. Although I will grant, there's not much room for his player type in today's game.

[WindyCityBorn]

Eddy Curry had a 340 game stretch where he averaged 16/6 (including a 19.5/7 season). I think most Bulls fans would be ecstatic if Williams could get to that.

Eddy was the better, more talented prospect. Bigger, stronger, more post skills. Although I will grant, there's not much room for his player type in today's game.

That’s like saying there would be room for Shaq today. He absolutely be abusing all these softer centers including Jokic.

[MGB8]

He's Eddy Curry 2.0.
Some things you can't teach

Eddy Curry had a 340 game stretch where he averaged 16/6 (including a 19.5/7 season). I think most Bulls fans would be ecstatic if Williams could get to that.

I think the point is that he thinks Pat doesn't love basketball and gained weight due to a lack of work. But those numbers would be great.

It is undeniable that Pat has gained weight and is slower on defense and on offense, he is a bad ball handler and an efficient scorer in the paint. My optimistic view is that Pat's weight gain and poor season stemmed from his foot issue. I know it's easy to forget but that was a real lingering problem with a lot of us wondering how much of this season he'd miss. And foot problems are really tough for the offseason to get any real work in. If he can stay healthy through the offseason, I think we'll see a better version of Pat next season, because I think he actually has a good work ethic. He's no star, but I think he can become a guy who is a useful role player...maybe even a guy who can get to the value of his contract and be tradeable after next season.

I hope you are right, but man given the long experience, it is hard to be hopeful. The one thing is that, by all reports, Pat is a nice and mature kid and a hard worker. But, then again, Eddy Curry was reportedly a nice kid (though reports on his maturity were not so great).

Anyway… given that I believe in Giddey and also think that Phillips is a passable 3/4 reserve (and 3/4s may be the position in the NBA with the most talent right now), I think floating Pat to Orlando for Isaac would make sense for both teams. Isaac will average 14.75M, and his last year seems either partially or completely not guaranteed. He would bring a more pure 4 (and maybe h can bulk into a 4/5) that the Bulls don’t really have. Orlando desperately needs more good 3 pt shooting, so would make sense for them to have him in mix with de Silva backing up Banchero and Franz.

[Mr. Tibbs]

My hard hitting analysis. He runs like a duck and shoots like one of those basketball shooting robots minus the accuracy. Everything I liked about his game early in his career, the things that made me hopeful for what he could become, are basically gone now.

On the bright side, for as big a letdown as he is, Matas is 10x more exciting than Pat ever was.

[WindyCityBorn]

My hard hitting analysis. He runs like a duck and shoots like one of those basketball shooting robots minus the accuracy. Everything I liked about his game early in his career, the things that made me hopeful for what he could become, are basically gone now.

On the bright side, for as big a letdown as he is, Matas is 10x more exciting than Pat ever was.

Pat seems like one of those guys that just gotta blessed to be tall and athletic so basketball was the obvious choice. I think he’d be something else if it paid as well.

Maybe he could slim now and play the 3 since Matas is locked into the 4?

[Ice Man]

That’s like saying there would be room for Shaq today. He absolutely be abusing all these softer centers including Jokic.

The argument that Shaq would be even better in today's game is often made, but it isn't logical. If it was easier to score inside today than in the past, then we'd see a lot of poor man's versions of Shaq in the NBA. I mean, that would only make sense -- if there is a defensive weakness because today's centers are soft, then big bruisers would be drafted to take advantage of that weakness. But that doesn't happen. Those guys don't succeed. Deandre Ayton was drafted with that thought in mind; he can't get the job done. Nobody can.

Even Embiid, who is as big, strong, and physical as anybody ever to play in the NBA, changed his game as his career advanced, spending more time on the perimeter. If Shaq played today, he would too. Of course he would be great. He's Shaq! But better than he was, in the modern game? I think not.

[WindyCityBorn]

That’s like saying there would be room for Shaq today. He absolutely be abusing all these softer centers including Jokic.

The argument that Shaq would be even better in today's game is often made, but it isn't logical. If it was easier to score inside today than in the past, then we'd see a lot of poor man's versions of Shaq in the NBA. I mean, that would only make sense -- if there is a defensive weakness because today's centers are soft, then big bruisers would be drafted to take advantage of that weakness. But that doesn't happen. Those guys don't succeed. Deandre Ayton was drafted with that thought in mind; he can't get the job done. Nobody can.

Even Embiid, who is as big, strong, and physical as anybody ever to play in the NBA, changed his game as his career advanced, spending more time on the perimeter. If Shaq played today, he would too. Of course he would be great. He's Shaq! But better than he was, in the modern game? I think not.

There has only ever been one Shaq. Prime Shaq would dominate today’s NBA just like PF version of him in Giannis dominated.

Embiid couldn’t hold Shaq’s jock as an athlete.

[Shill]

That’s like saying there would be room for Shaq today. He absolutely be abusing all these softer centers including Jokic.

The argument that Shaq would be even better in today's game is often made, but it isn't logical. If it was easier to score inside today than in the past, then we'd see a lot of poor man's versions of Shaq in the NBA. I mean, that would only make sense -- if there is a defensive weakness because today's centers are soft, then big bruisers would be drafted to take advantage of that weakness. But that doesn't happen. Those guys don't succeed. Deandre Ayton was drafted with that thought in mind; he can't get the job done. Nobody can.

Even Embiid, who is as big, strong, and physical as anybody ever to play in the NBA, changed his game as his career advanced, spending more time on the perimeter. If Shaq played today, he would too. Of course he would be great. He's Shaq! But better than he was, in the modern game? I think not.

But a poor man's version of Shaq would not have his efficiency and dominance.

How many guys are 7'1" 300+ lbs with agility, fluidity, and touch?

[WindyCityBorn]

That’s like saying there would be room for Shaq today. He absolutely be abusing all these softer centers including Jokic.

The argument that Shaq would be even better in today's game is often made, but it isn't logical. If it was easier to score inside today than in the past, then we'd see a lot of poor man's versions of Shaq in the NBA. I mean, that would only make sense -- if there is a defensive weakness because today's centers are soft, then big bruisers would be drafted to take advantage of that weakness. But that doesn't happen. Those guys don't succeed. Deandre Ayton was drafted with that thought in mind; he can't get the job done. Nobody can.

Even Embiid, who is as big, strong, and physical as anybody ever to play in the NBA, changed his game as his career advanced, spending more time on the perimeter. If Shaq played today, he would too. Of course he would be great. He's Shaq! But better than he was, in the modern game? I think not.

But a poor man's version of Shaq would not have his efficiency and dominance.

How many guys are 7'1" 300+ lbs with agility, fluidity, and touch?

Exactly. I’m talking about the Shaq. Not just big centers.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

The argument that Shaq would be even better in today's game is often made, but it isn't logical. If it was easier to score inside today than in the past, then we'd see a lot of poor man's versions of Shaq in the NBA. I mean, that would only make sense -- if there is a defensive weakness because today's centers are soft, then big bruisers would be drafted to take advantage of that weakness. But that doesn't happen. Those guys don't succeed. Deandre Ayton was drafted with that thought in mind; he can't get the job done. Nobody can.

Even Embiid, who is as big, strong, and physical as anybody ever to play in the NBA, changed his game as his career advanced, spending more time on the perimeter. If Shaq played today, he would too. Of course he would be great. He's Shaq! But better than he was, in the modern game? I think not.

But a poor man's version of Shaq would not have his efficiency and dominance.

How many guys are 7'1" 300+ lbs with agility, fluidity, and touch?

Exactly. I’m talking about the Shaq. Not just big centers.

Orlando Shaq would average 50 in todays game and win 10 championships

[Ice Man]

Ah come on, go for 100 points per game. Don't waffle on your predictions.

[DASMACKDOWN]

The issue with Pat, is we have set the bar so low for him and he still is failing to reach it. We basically said, ok he doesn't have to be a big scorer. Just play tough defense, hit the 3 efficiently, and be somewhat consistent. Even if its 10/4. We probably wouldn't be satisfied but its at least something.

This current month is his worst month in his career. Avg only 7pts 3.2 rebs 42%fg 29% 3ptrs

[GoBlue72391]

The issue with Pat, is we have set the bar so low for him and he still is failing to reach it. We basically said, ok he doesn't have to be a big scorer. Just play tough defense, hit the 3 efficiently, and be somewhat consistent. Even if its 10/4. We probably wouldn't be satisfied but its at least something.

This current month is his worst month in his career. Avg only 7pts 3.2 rebs 42%fg 29% 3ptrs

Pat getting back to that underwhelming yet passable 10/4 level of play with solid defense and efficient low-volume 3-point shooting seems damn near impossible at this point.

I'm probably overreacting and he might eventually get back to that, but he just looks more and more cooked as the weeks go by and it's hard to see it happening.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

He needs to drop weight and come off the bench. He's so frustrating there’s no dog in him

[panthermark]

The issue with Pat, is we have set the bar so low for him and he still is failing to reach it. We basically said, ok he doesn't have to be a big scorer. Just play tough defense, hit the 3 efficiently, and be somewhat consistent. Even if its 10/4. We probably wouldn't be satisfied but its at least something.

This current month is his worst month in his career. Avg only 7pts 3.2 rebs 42%fg 29% 3ptrs

The bar is so low you can barely see it anymore. It is basically smushed down in a muddy field, covered in overgrown weeds and goose poop.