LaVine traded to the Kings as part of 3 team deal (Huerter, Tre Jones to Bulls)

[SfBull]

I have to tip my hat to the Spurs, just a fantastic and consistent franchise. They acquired Fox by giving up NONE of their core pieces.

And before that they made a clever tanking trade and season ending up with the 1st pick overall getting a generational player .

[FriedRise]

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[nitetrain8603]

The biggest problem I have with this deal isn't the return. I expected the return for Zach to be bad. For whatever reason, the league didn't want to pay up for him.

The bigger problem is the timing. If we were going to get virtually nothing back for him in order to tank for a pick, we did it 2 years too late. The timing is my gripe. Even this year we've already won too many games to maximize our lottery odds. We keep doing this. We keep dipping our toes in the water versus diving in completely. Commitment issues plague this org.

I think even the end of Dec or beginning of January should've been the absolute latest. Bulls aren't getting Cooper Flag, their best hope is Ace Bailey or Dylan Harper due to GM negligence.

[molepharmer]

Surely I'm not the only one who when they first heard that Fox and Lavine were traded and Sac received three 1st round picks, that one of those 3 picks came from AKME. So my first thought was a sigh of relief when I heard the details.

[Jeffster81]

Bad, bad trade for the Bulls.

How is getting out of a bad contract for a non-impact player a "bad, bad trade"?

People expectations on the Lavine trade were too high. Yes, it's a blah trade but the Bulls no longer have that contact. That makes the Bulls a non loser in this trade.

I don't think having his contract was as big of a problem as not having his talent will be. And we really only got out of one player-option year anyway.

His talent was not adding anything to this organization. So I doubt the Bulls miss his talent.

[Guru]

Kevin Huerter......I know he is having a down year (maybe that's due to DDR)

But Jiminy xmas on these highlights

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Will fit in nicely with Giddey
I can hear Stacey King yelling "Red Velvet"

2018 1st rounder

[AhUtopian]

Zach Harper actually us a B grade , I guess it's bcz too much Zachs in this trade for Zach talking bad .

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[The Box Office]

By the way, the Kings messed up BAD. They should have kept Haliburton when they had him. Instead they chose to keep D'Aaron Fox and trade Haliburton to Indiana.

Now, D'Aaron Fox is gone, too.

[nitetrain8603]

Kevin Huerter......I know he is having a down year (maybe that's due to DDR)

But Jiminy xmas on these highlights

Watch on YouTube

Will fit in nicely with Giddey
I can hear Stacey King yelling "Red Velvet"

2018 1st rounder

Huerter and Buddy Hield are two guys who should be purely catch and shoot, but tend to dribble anyway which drops their percentages significantly. This deep in their careers, I doubt they change that up, regardless of who is tossing them the ball.

[SfBull]

Okay, I’m not exactly understanding what all the fuss is about. What exactly were we supposed to be getting for LaVine?

From my vantage point, we broke up Zach’s salary into shorter, smaller and more moveable contracts and got control of our pick back. Were we supposed to be achieving more than that in trading LaVine?

Bingo.

People are judging the trade based on AK’s past mistakes.

This trade moves us in the right direction.

Right direction?
We're going to lose a lot more games but we won't be worse than perennial losers like Wizards,Jazz and Hornets so we'll likely end with something around 5-7 th pick getting another Patrick Williams kind of player at best.

[League Circles]

How is getting out of a bad contract for a non-impact player a "bad, bad trade"?

People expectations on the Lavine trade were too high. Yes, it's a blah trade but the Bulls no longer have that contact. That makes the Bulls a non loser in this trade.

I don't think having his contract was as big of a problem as not having his talent will be. And we really only got out of one player-option year anyway.

His talent was not adding anything to this organization. So I doubt the Bulls miss his talent.

Very hard to make that argument. He was playing very well this year IMO.

[Jcool0]

The biggest problem I have with this deal isn't the return. I expected the return for Zach to be bad. For whatever reason, the league didn't want to pay up for him.

The bigger problem is the timing. If we were going to get virtually nothing back for him in order to tank for a pick, we did it 2 years too late. The timing is my gripe. Even this year we've already won too many games to maximize our lottery odds. We keep doing this. We keep dipping our toes in the water versus diving in completely. Commitment issues plague this org.

I think even the end of Dec or beginning of January should've been the absolute latest. Bulls aren't getting Cooper Flag, their best hope is Ace Bailey or Dylan Harper due to GM negligence.

FWIW the Raptors are 16-33 but 8-2 in last 10 games. Brooklyn is also 16-33 and has a 2 games winning streak. Toronto has the easiest remaining schedule and Brooklyn has the 7th. Philly at 19-29 has the 3rd easiest schedule. Bulls have the 10th hardest schedule remaining. Realistically we could get to 7th (currently Philly) which would give us a 7.5% chance of #1. But they do have a chance at #5 which would be 10% odds (the worst 3 teams have 14% odds).

[nitetrain8603]

I don't think having his contract was as big of a problem as not having his talent will be. And we really only got out of one player-option year anyway.

His talent was not adding anything to this organization. So I doubt the Bulls miss his talent.

Very hard to make that argument. He was playing very well this year IMO.

I would argue it was his best year since being a Bull and best season in his entire career.

[Guru]

This is where we are right now

1 Giddey 6'8 216 21 1 Ball 6'6 190 26 1 Jones 6'1 185 25 1 Carter 6'1 200 27 2
2 White 6'5 195 23 2 Huerter 6'7 198 26 2 Duarte 6'5 190 1
3 Dosunmo 6'5 200 23 2 Terry 6'7 195 21 2 THT 6'4 234 24
4 Buzelis 6'10 209 19 5 Williams 6'7 215 21 5 Phillips 6'8 198 20 3 Craig 6'5 221 32 1
5 Vucevic 6'10 260 32 2 Smith 6'9 215 24 3 Collins 6'11 200 27 2

By the end of the week we could easily be at

1 Giddey 6'8 216 21 1 THT 6'4 234 24
2 Dosunmo 6'5 200 23 2 Huerter 6'7 198 26 2
3 Williams 6'7 215 21 5 Terry 6'7 195 21 2
4 Buzelis 6'10 209 19 5 Phillips 6'8 198 20 3
5 Smith 6'9 215 24 3 Collins 6'11 200 27 2


Plus whomever we add

[Betta Bulleavit]

Okay, I’m not exactly understanding what all the fuss is about. What exactly were we supposed to be getting for LaVine?

From my vantage point, we broke up Zach’s salary into shorter, smaller and more moveable contracts and got control of our pick back. Were we supposed to be achieving more than that in trading LaVine?

Bingo.

People are judging the trade based on AK’s past mistakes.

This trade moves us in the right direction.

Right direction?
We're going to lose a lot more games but we won't be worse than perennial losers like Wizards,Jazz and Hornets so we'll likely end with something around 5-7 th pick getting another Patrick Williams kind of player at best.

We also got a massive contract off the books. Additionally, losing more games gets us more ping pong balls and a chance to maybe win the lottery. Sure, that probably won’t happen. But this deal ensures that no matter what happens now, we control our pick.

[Betta Bulleavit]

His talent was not adding anything to this organization. So I doubt the Bulls miss his talent.

Very hard to make that argument. He was playing very well this year IMO.

I would argue it was his best year since being a Bull and best season in his entire career.

Zach is having a great season. But it doesn’t matter because:

1. He wasn’t going to be part of the future either way and
2. His contract was making it virtually impossible to move him for value.

The bottom line is that a Zach trade was always going to look something like this. The sooner folks come to that realization, the sooner people will see why this makes sense.

[waffle]

I will say that the bodies we got back will be useful in future trades, maybe VERY soon. Not great by any means.

I am warming up to the trade, don't like it? But don't hate it as much as I did last night

[boozapalooza]

I've been checked out on this team for years now, and at this point I'm just happy this particular saga is over. I'll take any course correction there is; this decade is already lost.

Thanks for the memories Zach. Sorry this organization wasted your prime on garbage. But they also never should've given you that albatross of a contract just to get far less in value in return.

Exactly. For years we’ve been screaming, PICK A LANE AK. This is step 1 to doing that. The return isn’t as important as us just pushing the button and deciding to full on rebuild, while adding cap room flexibility.

Also, sounds like GS and MIL were the only other two suitors, and they weren’t offering anything better.

[BigUps]

The biggest problem I have with this deal isn't the return. I expected the return for Zach to be bad. For whatever reason, the league didn't want to pay up for him.

The bigger problem is the timing. If we were going to get virtually nothing back for him in order to tank for a pick, we did it 2 years too late. The timing is my gripe. Even this year we've already won too many games to maximize our lottery odds. We keep doing this. We keep dipping our toes in the water versus diving in completely. Commitment issues plague this org.

I think even the end of Dec or beginning of January should've been the absolute latest. Bulls aren't getting Cooper Flag, their best hope is Ace Bailey or Dylan Harper due to GM negligence.

FWIW the Raptors are 16-33 but 8-2 in last 10 games. Brooklyn is also 16-33 and has a 2 games winning streak. Toronto has the easiest remaining schedule and Brooklyn has the 7th. Philly at 19-29 has the 3rd easiest schedule. Bulls have the 10th hardest schedule remaining. Realistically we could get to 7th (currently Philly) which would give us a 7.5% chance of #1. But they do have a chance at #5 which would be 10% odds (the worst 3 teams have 14% odds).

If you're tanking, you really want to finish in the bottom 3. That's the right way to do it. I'd even say bottom 4 is fine, but every percentage point matters in a tank year.

We've played 50 games. Have 32 to go. We have to make up 9 losses in 32 games right now to be one of the worst 4 teams. Its a tough ask. No doubt. I just don't see it happening.

[SfBull]

Cool. We got Bulls West now. I will be watching some Kings games now.

I'm not sure what the Kings are doing. That roster isn't anything better than what the Bulls have put out in recent years. Sabonis is better than Vuc but really not by too much.

Keegan is like another version of Patrick Williams & Monk is just another scorer. They don't have any worthwhile defensive players like Caruso or Lonzo.

Sabonis and Keegan are just better than Vuc and especially Pat.