Woj: HOU still wants Asik for Lee, CHI determined to add SG

[VinnyChase]

if asik is so great why cant he get on the floor for more than 10 minutes? and this is even with noah hurt for two months?

the kid is RAW. he's big, yes, but good? no.

unskilled big guys are a dime a dozen.

He's a rookie and already improved a lot just this season.

C. Lee...what you see is what you get.

6'4-6'5 guards grow on trees...7 footers do not

[Red Larrivee]

The Salmons to Chicago deal was the day before I'm pretty sure. I remember David Aldridge reporting it on NBA.com. And the Salmons/Warrick deal was a few days before the deadline. I remember Salmons stayed in his New York hotel before a Bulls/Knicks game so it couldn't have been before a 2:00 PM deadline.

Basketball-Reference:

February 18, 2009: Traded by the Sacramento Kings with Brad Miller to the Chicago Bulls for Drew Gooden, Andres Nocioni, Michael Ruffin and Cedric Simmons.

February 18th was a Wednesday, the day before the deadline. So you're right.

February 18, 2010: Traded by the Chicago Bulls with a 2010 1st round draft pick (Larry Sanders), a 2011 2nd round draft pick and a 2012 2nd round draft pick to the Milwaukee Bucks for Joe Alexander, Hakim Warrick and a 2010 1st round draft pick (Kevin Seraphin).

February 18th was the Thursday deadline for last season. This was also the same day Tyrus was dealt to the Bobcats.

[Rade Butcher]

improved from not seeing the court to playing behind a 38 year old 6'9 center?

that's the kind of improvement i covet.

[IllinoisReppa20]

if asik is so great why cant he get on the floor for more than 10 minutes? and this is even with noah hurt for two months?

the kid is RAW. he's big, yes, but good? no.

unskilled big guys are a dime a dozen.

He's a rookie and already improved a lot just this season.

C. Lee...what you see is what you get.

6'4-6'5 guards grow on trees...7 footers do not

I know these posters are nuts , if asik works on his post game, he is just as valuable to the bulls as Amare is to the knicks , its not like it takes two quarters for asik to gather after grabbing a board... if you think asik is zero offense potential, you are NUTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.. bogans is fine , we will just wait and draft the next Mike with our Bobcats pick, and try not to trade away top 5 pick potential in asik away!!

[Sir Buckets]

if asik is so great why cant he get on the floor for more than 10 minutes? and this is even with noah hurt for two months?

the kid is RAW. he's big, yes, but good? no.

unskilled big guys are a dime a dozen.

Yep. But Asik isn't just an unskilled big guy, he's an unskilled big guy that has actually shown promise of becoming a quality player for us, and those are not a dime a dozen.

[VinnyChase]

It's idiotic to trade a rookie 7 footer for a mediocre SG

[IllinoisReppa20]

if asik is so great why cant he get on the floor for more than 10 minutes? and this is even with noah hurt for two months?

the kid is RAW. he's big, yes, but good? no.

unskilled big guys are a dime a dozen.

Yep. But Asik isn't just an unskilled big guy, he's an unskilled big guy that has actually shown promise of becoming a quality player for us, and those are not a dime a dozen.

can you tell me asik skills besides grabbing rebounds , changing a few shots.. and the occasional dunk?

Mid Range Game? Go to post move? Quickness?
He does everything a slow 7'1 center should do

because you can find another productive unskilled guy for us if thats all you want from him

[Rade Butcher]

asik won't be more than a decent contributor until 2012-2013.

lee's stats this years aren't great because he's playing behind kevin martin. when he's getting minutes he's productive.

if lee shoots 40% from three and adds 12 ppg, then that's perfect for me.

you heard it here first, asik will NEVER average 12 ppg in his entire career. he'll be no more than a serviceable backup center. THAT is his ceiling.

[Rade Butcher]

to call lee mediocre is a crime. the only time he's gotten solid minutes he has played well. he's a third year player, not some grizzled vet that has already shown his ceiling.

he brings more athleticism to the SG than korver and bogans and more ball handling and shooting than brewer.

i trade a bench player for a definite starter any way of the week.

[VinnyChase]

asik won't be more than a decent contributor until 2012-2013.

lee's stats this years aren't great because he's playing behind kevin martin. when he's getting minutes he's productive.

if lee shoots 40% from three and adds 12 ppg, then that's perfect for me.

you heard it here first, asik will NEVER average 12 ppg in his entire career. he'll be no more than a serviceable backup center. THAT is his ceiling.

I agree with most expect Asik is a decent contributor now.

I can see him becoming a borderline starter.

Not saying C. Lee isnt a good fit..I just wouldnt trade Asik for him.

[Rade Butcher]

as long as boozer and noah are there asik will never start because boozer can't guard the 3 spot so its noah at 5, boozer at 4.

that means asik only has value coming off the bench. he's a solid bench player but you always want to give boozer and noah between 30 and 35 minutes a game. that leaves very little time for asik.

on the other hand, lee would see all the time he can handle.

it's a simple matter of who gets more time that determines the value in this situation.

is asik's 15 minutes (projected next year) more valuable than lee's 33 minutes?

the answer is clearly no.

that's the hear of the argument. no one can refute that youd rather have noah and boozer get those minutes.

now, you can argue asik is injury insurance and that's valid. but is that prospect still more valuable than a nightly starter who plays D, hits the three, and adds incredible athleticism?

lee isn't a superstar, but i think he'll be a very solid SG once a team gives him a chance.

[Chicago Live]

I'm a big Asik supporter, but Omer can you please learn how to catch a pass near the basket? Thanks

[mr.ankle]

if asik is so great why cant he get on the floor for more than 10 minutes? and this is even with noah hurt for two months?

the kid is RAW. he's big, yes, but good? no.

unskilled big guys are a dime a dozen.

Yep. But Asik isn't just an unskilled big guy, he's an unskilled big guy that has actually shown promise of becoming a quality player for us, and those are not a dime a dozen.

Taj or Asik will never get that much playing when Boozer and Noah arehealthy . Its easy to find a big man who can produce 10- 15 minutes a night . I would pick Kurt Thomas over Asik and Gibson right now

[Magilla_Gorilla]

can you tell me asik skills besides grabbing rebounds , changing a few shots.. and the occasional dunk?

So you want me to tell you what a young backup C does beside rebound, block shots and score on put-backs?

Is my sarcasm detector broken?

[BullsCroatia]

If we miss out now I can see us either getting some **** player in the summer(like Dunleavy) via free agency or massively overpaying for one next season.

I just don't see which player is going to fall straight into our lap for a small price or through free agency. Just look at available names out there. And you think C.Lee or Mayo are going to be available for anything less than they are now?

This SG problem could potentially drag for another whole season if the Bulls take that ''Taj is untouchable and our back up front court is deep(and going to win us playoff games )'' approach.

We can get a long term solution now, I don't see it happening in the summer(the list of free agent SG's who are available is bloody poor) or via trade for a smaller price than now.

[Irregular]

Let's trade our Turkish delight for an below average SG.

I think not!

[Magilla_Gorilla]

This SG could potentially drag for another whole season if the Bulls take that ''Taj is untouchable and our back up front court is deep(and going to win us playoff games )'' approach.

I know huh? How ridiculous to think that defense, reboundng and frontcourt depth are the things that help win playoff games. You know, as opposed to 4th option SG's averaging 10 points a game.

[taruky1]

May I ask how many centers are quick enough to play the pick and roll not only capably, but well? Some of you need to analyze the guy with an open mind. He is pretty quick for a 7-footer, and anyone who doesn't see this isn't paying attention. Time and again he shows on the dribbler and then gets back to his guy in a flash. Or he'll actually stay with the dribbler all the way to the bucket and alter the shot. He's a good individual defender and he's actually a smart team defender as well, occasional rookie mistakes aside. His per 36 minute block average is 2.2, that is higher than Howard's. Yeah he fouls a lot but these are not overmatched fouls, they are the type that will go away with experience (and referee respect).

Offensively he is raw, but he has quickness, a work ethic, and motivation. I wouldn't bet against him one day averaging double figures while pulling in 12+ rebounds and 3 blocks a game. At the very least you give a little time to see what you've got. And it seems the Bulls, who watch the guy a lot more than some of you, think he's worth more time.

[GloriaJames]

improved from not seeing the court to playing behind a 38 year old 6'9 center?

that's the kind of improvement i covet.

this is such a silly way to view things. by the same logic, brewer sucks compared to bogans. if you've actually watched asik play this season, you can see how much of an impact he has on the defensive end and how much he's improved. on top of that, dude has shown some pretty nice post moves and i can definitely see him as being good enough to start on plenty of teams in a few years.

[Benedict Miller]

if asik is so great why cant he get on the floor for more than 10 minutes? and this is even with noah hurt for two months?

the kid is RAW. he's big, yes, but good? no.

unskilled big guys are a dime a dozen.

Yep. But Asik isn't just an unskilled big guy, he's an unskilled big guy that has actually shown promise of becoming a quality player for us, and those are not a dime a dozen.

can you tell me asik skills besides grabbing rebounds , changing a few shots.. and the occasional dunk?

Mid Range Game? Go to post move? Quickness?
He does everything a slow 7'1 center should do

because you can find another productive unskilled guy for us if thats all you want from him

What do you want your 7 footer to do? Shoot jumpers? I want my big man to play like a big man, rebound and defend that's all I ask, and in Thibs system he's improving in both of those aspects and will be better with time.