Trade Thread: Armchair GMs welcomed

Hangtime84 · Post #361 » by **Hangtime84** » Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:18 pm

Chi town wrote:
Ayman78 wrote:Anyone interested in a Zach Lavine for Brandon Ingram trade with fillers from the Lakers and a future 1st pick?

Potential 2019-2020 starting lineup
PG= Dunn
SG= Barrett (rookie)
SF= Ingram
PF= Markkanen
C= Carter Jr.

No way lakers do that and kill their max cap space.

only way they do it is if they aren't getting a superstar

Repeat 3-peat · Post #362 » by **Repeat 3-peat** » Mon Dec 24, 2018 12:41 pm

Parker to Nets for DeMarre Carroll?

Straight up swap.

Herrdoktor33 · Post #363 » by **Herrdoktor33** » Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:21 pm

We should try to trade Parker, Holiday, Portis, Blakeney and Payne to teams that we'll be fighting for a playoff spot. NO/Detroit/Hou/Orl/Brk/Dal/Spurs/Port

Nate3carp · Post #364 » by **Nate3carp** » Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:24 pm

Hangtime84 wrote:
Chi town wrote:
Ayman78 wrote:Anyone interested in a Zach Lavine for Brandon Ingram trade with fillers from the Lakers and a future 1st pick?

Potential 2019-2020 starting lineup
PG= Dunn
SG= Barrett (rookie)
SF= Ingram
PF= Markkanen
C= Carter Jr.

No way lakers do that and kill their max cap space.

only way they do it is if they aren't getting a superstar

Even then I’m not sure if they do. The “problem” is that they have no bad contracts to get rid of.

Hangtime84 · Post #365 » by **Hangtime84** » Mon Dec 24, 2018 3:51 pm

Nate3carp wrote:
Hangtime84 wrote:
Chi town wrote:
No way lakers do that and kill their max cap space.

only way they do it is if they aren't getting a superstar

Even then I’m not sure if they do. The “problem” is that they have no bad contracts to get rid of.

they have cap space

Rose2Boozer · Post #366 » by **Rose2Boozer** » Tue Dec 25, 2018 1:10 am

Dennis Smith Jr. straight up for Kris Dunn?

Smith Jr. seems like a ball dominant point guard, but the ball in Dallas belongs to Luka.

Nate3carp · Post #367 » by **Nate3carp** » Tue Dec 25, 2018 2:30 am

Hangtime84 wrote:
Nate3carp wrote:
Hangtime84 wrote:
only way they do it is if they aren't getting a superstar

Even then I’m not sure if they do. The “problem” is that they have no bad contracts to get rid of.

they have cap space

But not enough for a max if they trade Ingram for Lavine.

NecessaryEvil · Post #368 » by **NecessaryEvil** » Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:00 am

Rose2Boozer wrote:Dennis Smith Jr. straight up for Kris Dunn?

Smith Jr. seems like a ball dominant point guard, but the ball in Dallas belongs to Luka.

DSJ for Portis & Holiday

Jabari to Utah or Portland for a future 1st

Next season :

G Dunn / DSJ
G Lavine / DSJ / Valentine
F 2019 Draft Pick / Hutchinson / Valentine
F Markkanen / Hutchinson
C WCJ

Chi town · Post #369 » by **Chi town** » Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:26 am

Dunn>>>DSJ.

Also don’t think DSJ is a PG

The Force. · Post #370 » by **The Force.** » Tue Dec 25, 2018 5:50 am

Yeah I definitely would not trade DSJ for Kris Dunn. Hell I'm not sure I'd trade Portis for DSJ straight up.

dpucane · Post #371 » by **dpucane** » Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:22 am

The Force. wrote:Yeah I definitely would not trade DSJ for Kris Dunn. Hell I'm not sure I'd trade Portis for DSJ straight up.

Would 100% pull the trigger on Portis but not Dunn

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kodo · Post #372 » by **kodo** » Tue Dec 25, 2018 7:03 am

Rose2Boozer wrote:Dennis Smith Jr. straight up for Kris Dunn?

Smith Jr. seems like a ball dominant point guard, but the ball in Dallas belongs to Luka.

Its interesting but if they really are moving DSJ due to fit I assume they want a knock down shooter. That aint dunn.
DSJ isnt great off-ball, but Dunn is worse.

sco · Post #373 » by **sco** » Tue Dec 25, 2018 2:08 pm

Just saying that Portis/Blakeney works for DSJ. Portis is a really good fit next to Jordan.

Not that Dallas would do it, but Portis/Parker/Hutch/Blakeney for DSJ/Barnes would be a nice deal for Bulls.

Dan Z · Post #374 » by **Dan Z** » Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:51 pm

An article discussing DSJ to the Bulls:

https://pippenainteasy.com/2018/12/25/chicago-bulls-could-the-bulls-go-after-dennis-smith-jr/

ZOMG · Post #375 » by **ZOMG** » Tue Dec 25, 2018 7:05 pm

Unbeliavable. Do we really have to drag EVERY non-shooting, ball-dominating combo guard type into this thread? Why are Bulls fans in love with these dudes? DSJ is a career 32% 3pt shooter. Hell, his FG% is 40.3!! That's beyond atrocious. Yeah, he's been a bit better this season, but that's mostly due to playing with a generational talent in Luka.

If there weren't enough basketballs in Dallas for DSJ, what makes anyone think it'd be any different in Chicago? We sure as hell can't bring him in with a promise of a major on-ball role. That's not available.

Post #376 » by **GimmeDat** » Tue Dec 25, 2018 10:50 pm

In the past, I would've been advocating for trying to trade for DSJ. But I think the reality is that he's been identified as a guy that likely doesn't help winning basketball, and instead of trying to trade at average value while the value is depleting, the likelihood is a guy like him is going to continue to play the way he plays and as people become more sure of what he is, that value is only going to continue to deplete.

DSJ has great value as a scorer. Is a talented lead guard with handles, shot making and crazy athleticism. He's not a great shooter but he looks comfortable shooting off the dribble and his shooting efficiency has improved a lot since his rookie season. However, he's not a good 'PG' (modest passer/playmaker but coupled with exceptionally high TO's), can't play a lick of defense, and is not effective off the ball offensively. Unless you're an absolutely elite offensive threat, how do you fit in to a successful team and be part of the puzzle. It's not encouraging.

Fit wise, he's a terrible compliment to Lavine. No defense between the two and no quality play-making. It would be turnover central. Dunn is both a better player and a better fit.

I'm not optimistic for DSJ to be a starting PG unless he's putting up numbers on a bad team. That said, I think he has the potential to be a really dynamic spark plug for a team off the bench that can lead a 2nd units offense.

So chuck Portis, Holiday, Valentine and whoever else that is semi-expendable on the table. But I'm not trading any important pieces or picks for him, that would be a big mistake.

Post #377 » by **GimmeDat** » Tue Dec 25, 2018 10:51 pm

Dan Z wrote:An article discussing DSJ to the Bulls:

https://pippenainteasy.com/2018/12/25/chicago-bulls-could-the-bulls-go-after-dennis-smith-jr/

....Portis is an energetic spark plug on defensive....

WindyCityBorn · Post #378 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:57 pm

Rose2Boozer wrote:Dennis Smith Jr. straight up for Kris Dunn?

Smith Jr. seems like a ball dominant point guard, but the ball in Dallas belongs to Luka.

Hell no.

realEAST · Post #379 » by **realEAST** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:05 am

GimmeDat wrote:In the past, I would've been advocating for trying to trade for DSJ. But I think the reality is that he's been identified as a guy that likely doesn't help winning basketball, and instead of trying to trade at average value while the value is depleting, the likelihood is a guy like him is going to continue to play the way he plays and as people become more sure of what he is, that value is only going to continue to deplete.

DSJ has great value as a scorer. Is a talented lead guard with handles, shot making and crazy athleticism. He's not a great shooter but he looks comfortable shooting off the dribble and his shooting efficiency has improved a lot since his rookie season. However, he's not a good 'PG' (modest passer/playmaker but coupled with exceptionally high TO's), can't play a lick of defense, and is not effective off the ball offensively. Unless you're an absolutely elite offensive threat, how do you fit in to a successful team and be part of the puzzle. It's not encouraging.

Fit wise, he's a terrible compliment to Lavine. No defense between the two and no quality play-making. It would be turnover central. Dunn is both a better player and a better fit.

I'm not optimistic for DSJ to be a starting PG unless he's putting up numbers on a bad team. That said, I think he has the potential to be a really dynamic spark plug for a team off the bench that can lead a 2nd units offense.

So chuck Portis, Holiday, Valentine and whoever else that is semi-expendable on the table. But I'm not trading any important pieces or picks for him, that would be a big mistake.

I agree with everything you have written, and I know numbers don't back it up because it is too small sample size, but Simth jr. started playing some really good defence for several games before he got injured, he really was a pest for opposing PGs and it had significant impact on the team results - interestingly enough, Dallas losing streak started when he got injured. Not saying it is a sole reason (Barnes and Matthews had some awful shooting nights among else), but Dallas has been losing pretty close games, with small margin - I wonder whether he could have turned at least one or two around.

The way he has played, he's been their best perimeter defender by far and was containing opposition PGs from penetrating on most possessions, which is extremely important since Jordan has become a lazy ass on defensive side, who's only looking for rebounds (he's had multiple games with 0 blocked shots - I know it is not the most precise metric for judging rim protection, but at this rate it is indicative).

Also, few games they had during that stretch has been against teams who have very good PGs (Fox, Lillard) - I was looking forwards to those match-ups to see if that was a lasting change, but he was out injured.

NecessaryEvil · Post #380 » by **NecessaryEvil** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:10 am

Dan Z wrote:An article discussing DSJ to the Bulls:

https://pippenainteasy.com/2018/12/25/chicago-bulls-could-the-bulls-go-after-dennis-smith-jr/

They suggested my idea. I think it's a good trade. Holiday is a 4.5 mill expiring & Bobby's up for a new deal when you've already got 2 big's that stretch the floor.

DSJ gives you insurance in case you don't come to an agreement with Dunn 9 (a younger pg as well)

WCJ/DSJ & the 2019 first (current top 4) would be a decent start up offer for AD

Davis, Markkanen & Lavine would make for a great trio.