OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond

[Susan]

So of our tens of QB experts on this board, how many of you watched Jimmy G today?

He wasn't great but he didn't cost them the game.....

OT Game Wining drive and I thought it was gonna be Brady 101 with a handful of sideline passes, then trot the kicker out for 40 yarder and the W. Who called those plays and wasted the clock?

and the irony is we coveted their kicker and Gould is hurt now.

so they had to turn to a rookie and it cost them-

Even more bad clock management and another team that wasted a down when they could have moved the ball a few yards to get the kicker a better shot. a kicker who had never kicked a FG in OT. you get that kid every yard you can, ask Pinero.

1 pick, two lost fumbles and a good deal of dropped picks.

[DJhitek]

Yeah Jimmy G wasn't very good last night, no other way to slice it.

[Stratmaster]

The only possible way Mitch can succeed is to turn him loose. We saw a little of that yesterday.

If you do, he is going to throw some picks, but a lot of great QB's threw picks.

For Mitch to be succesful his stat line needs to read 3-5 td passes and 1 or 2 interceptions a game, with 70 yards rushing. But the int's need to be going for big plays, not flare passes in the shadow of your own goalposts.

He probably still won't make it, but it is the only chance you have with him. Let him gunsling and run the rest of the season and depending on the result you make your changes in the offseason.

I don't think that will help him any to be honest. I think it'd make things worse. His deep ball is terrible. I don't think throwing more of them will make him better, it will just further expose him. That timing is built up in practice not in games IMO.

For him to be much better, he's going to need to develop into a better QB. Make smarter reads, make more accurate throws. I think those things are done in the film room and practice. Turning him loose might help, and I certainly don't care if they try it, but I don't think it's the primary difference maker in whether he succeeds. I just think it makes it more obvious that he's a failure when that makes things dramatically worse.

That all makes sense. To be clear I am not saying throwing a long distance bomb every time you have man coverage. When he gets moving it seems he has had some success with the 15 to 25 yard pass range, particularly over the middle. Hitting guys who come open in that range can turn into big plays.

I'm not saying it will be successful. I'm saying that's what I'd like to see for the rest of the season so the appropriate decisions can be made at the end of the year.

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[dougthonus]

I'm not saying it will be successful. I'm saying that's what I'd like to see for the rest of the season so the appropriate decisions can be made at the end of the year.

Which is all reasonable, I guess what I mean is that the coaches probably see all these things in practice and may already know what decisions need to be made next year without having to do this in games. Maybe not of course, but that's my theory is that they already know for sure one way or the other, we just don't know.

[dice]

The Bears won't win out but if they do I'm certain they'll make the playoffs. On excedingly rare ocassions 11-5 teams do miss the playoffs but there are bound to be a few teams that have a 2nd half meltdown due to injuries or just plain bad luck.

since they changed to the current 8 division format...

10.5-11 win teams have made the wildcard 19/20 times
9.5-10 win teams have made it 26/36 times (2012 bears missed playoffs at 10-6 despite being 6th in nfl in point differential)
9 win teams have made it 12/48 times

[dice]

dick butkus

mike ditka

bill george

bulldog turner

dan hampton

richard dent

brian urlacher

mike singletary

steve mcmichael

red grange

mark bortz

cam newton?

[Chi town]

Pace won't touch Cam Newton.

I expect Alex Smith or Dalton. They better pick a QB in the 2nd if a good one is available too. Don't let Mitch as the backup change that.

[JohnnyTapwater]

I hate what I think this Chicago Bears organization is showing signs of...

I really don't wanna be right

[Susan]

I hate what I think this Chicago Bears organization is showing signs of...

I really don't wanna be right

What's that?

[johnnyvann840]

cam newton?

Watch on YouTube

[JohnnyTapwater]

I hate what I think this Chicago Bears organization is showing signs of...

I really don't wanna be right

What's that?

Systematic racism.

The QB position is seen as the head of a franchise, It is seen as an intellectual position. The archaic notion that black athletes can't excel in this role is still prevalent. Quite and coded, but prevalent.

Someone has a bias in the organization and I don't like what things seem like.

I just hope I'm wrong, but being a black man, I see things others might not.

[MeloRoseNoah]

I hate what I think this Chicago Bears organization is showing signs of...

I really don't wanna be right

What's that?

Systematic racism.

The QB position is seen as the head of a franchise, It is seen as an intellectual position. The archaic notion that black athletes can't excel in this role is still prevalent. Quite and coded, but prevalent.

Someone has a bias in the organization and I don't like what things seem like.

I just hope I'm wrong, but being a black man, I see things others might not.

I'm not African American, but it's very likely that the majority of the NFL rated Trubisky as the best QB prospect out of that class bc he's the only dude out of the top 3 who was clean cut and white, despite all of the college stats and accolades.

If you judge purely on arm strength talent, Mahomes was the best. If you judge purely on college stats, Mahomes was the best. If you judge purely on winning, leadership, and accolades, D Watson was the best.

In summary, there was no objective data, intangibles, or accolades to suggest that Trubisky was the best QB prospect that year.

[JohnnyTapwater]

What's that?

Systematic racism.

The QB position is seen as the head of a franchise, It is seen as an intellectual position. The archaic notion that black athletes can't excel in this role is still prevalent. Quite and coded, but prevalent.

Someone has a bias in the organization and I don't like what things seem like.

I just hope I'm wrong, but being a black man, I see things others might not.

I'm not African American, but it's very likely that the majority of the NFL rated Trubisky as the best QB prospect out of that class bc he's the only dude out of the top 3 who was clean cut and white, despite all of the college stats and accolades.

If you judge purely on arm strength talent, Mahomes was the best. If you judge purely on college stats, Mahomes was the best. If you judge purely on winning, leadership, and accolades, D Watson was the best.

In summary, there was no objective data, intangibles, or accolades to suggest that Trubisky was the best QB prospect that year.

They didn't even talk to Deshaun Watson beyond preliminary smoke screening.

It's always some excuse. To Watson's injuries... They don't want a circus (which I feel like would be the excuse to not go Newton or Kap)... All palatable and, seemingly, rational. This Mitch thing is just unacceptable though..

SOMETHING isn't right when it comes to the QB scouting department. It feels like a trash culture that will be hidden at all cost.

[dice]

What's that?

Systematic racism.

The QB position is seen as the head of a franchise, It is seen as an intellectual position. The archaic notion that black athletes can't excel in this role is still prevalent. Quite and coded, but prevalent.

Someone has a bias in the organization and I don't like what things seem like.

I just hope I'm wrong, but being a black man, I see things others might not.

I'm not African American, but it's very likely that the majority of the NFL rated Trubisky as the best QB prospect out of that class bc he's the only dude out of the top 3 who was clean cut and white, despite all of the college stats and accolades.

If you judge purely on arm strength talent, Mahomes was the best. If you judge purely on college stats, Mahomes was the best. If you judge purely on winning, leadership, and accolades, D Watson was the best.

In summary, there was no objective data, intangibles, or accolades to suggest that Trubisky was the best QB prospect that year.

i've pointed it out before, but college stats and hardware do not have a particularly strong correlation to pro performance. anyway, trubisky, watson and mahomes are all roughly the same size. college passer ratings:

157.9 trubisky (final year)
157.5 watson (career - declined in final year)
157.0 mahomes (final year)

yards per carry:

4.4 watson (1934 yards)
3.7 trubisky (439)
2.7 mahomes (845)

clemson had a much tougher strength of schedule than the other two teams, so watson was clearly the most accomplished of the three coming out of college. the other two were very similar

combine grades:

6.54 trubisky (BOTTOM LINE Trubisky is a high-end quarterback prospect who possesses NFL size, a big arm and the ability to throw with accuracy from the pocket or on the move. Despite playing in a spread-based offense, he's a full-field reader who does a very good job of getting an early read on the safeties before crafting his course of action. Trubisky will have to become much more pocket aware and do a better job of recognizing and attacking blitzes to back NFL defensive coordinators off. He hasn't put all the pieces together yet, but the puzzle is all right in front. Trubisky projects as a good starting quarterback with a high floor and the potential to be great.) http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/mitch-trubisky?id=2558008

6.27 watson (BOTTOM LINE Teams will have to weigh the inconsistent field vision and decision-making against his size, athleticism, leadership and production. While not perfect, teams can add checks to both arm and accuracy boxes for Watson. However, discussions about whether or not his areas of improvement can be corrected will likely determine whether a team will view him as a high-upside prospect or a franchise quarterback. Watson's transition from Clemson's offense to a pro-style attack will obviously take time, but his combination of intangibles and athletic ability make him worth a first-round selection.) http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/deshaun-watson?id=2558063

5.87 mahomes (BOTTOM LINE Mahomes is a big, confident quarterback who brings a variety of physical tools to the party, but he's developed some bad habits and doesn't have a very repeatable process as a passer. Mahomes' ability to improvise and extend plays can lead to big plays for his offense, but he will have to prove he can operate with better anticipation and be willing to take what the defense gives him in order to win from the pocket. Mahomes will be a work in progress, but he's a high ceiling, low floor prospect.) http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/patrick-mahomes?id=2558125

clearly trubisky's combine performance won out over watson's collegiate superiority. mahomes was always a wildcard.
the issue was not choosing trubisky over the other two (he WAS considered the best prospect). the issue was thinking that trubisky was CLEARLY the best prospect, as evidenced by trading up for him

given that watson had clearly both the better college career AND had a better combine than mahomes, the only ACTUAL evidence of bias comes in with KC's selection of mahomes over watson. why was that? lighter skin?

[Susan]

Systematic racism.

The QB position is seen as the head of a franchise, It is seen as an intellectual position. The archaic notion that black athletes can't excel in this role is still prevalent. Quite and coded, but prevalent.

Someone has a bias in the organization and I don't like what things seem like.

I just hope I'm wrong, but being a black man, I see things others might not.

I'm not African American, but it's very likely that the majority of the NFL rated Trubisky as the best QB prospect out of that class bc he's the only dude out of the top 3 who was clean cut and white, despite all of the college stats and accolades.

If you judge purely on arm strength talent, Mahomes was the best. If you judge purely on college stats, Mahomes was the best. If you judge purely on winning, leadership, and accolades, D Watson was the best.

In summary, there was no objective data, intangibles, or accolades to suggest that Trubisky was the best QB prospect that year.

They didn't even talk to Deshaun Watson beyond preliminary smoke screening.

It's always some excuse. To Watson's injuries... They don't want a circus (which I feel like would be the excuse to not go Newton or Kap)... All palatable and, seemingly, rational. This Mitch thing is just unacceptable though..

SOMETHING isn't right when it comes to the QB scouting department. It feels like a trash culture that will be hidden at all cost.

I mean, I don't have enough data to agree or disagree but I gotta say, Pace and Mitch look like brothers.

[MeloRoseNoah]

The African American bros, Patric Mahomes and Lamar Jackson, are revolutionizing the QB position while our GM Ryan Pace is still looking for a clean cut soldier white boy to be our face of the franchise.

It's time for Ryan Pace and the rest of the NFL to admit the closet racist culture among football owners and management.

[dougthonus]

The African American bros, Patric Mahomes and Lamar Jackson, are revolutionizing the QB position while our GM Ryan Pace is still looking for a clean cut soldier white boy to be our face of the franchise.

It's time for Ryan Pace and the rest of the NFL to admit the closet racist culture among football owners and management.

It would be interesting to know if there is evidence of this. It would be fairly trivial to compile statistically if you compared whether black QBs were more or less likely to overachieve their draft position compared to white QBs.

Clearly the "rest of the NFL" doesn't need to admit anything given that there are a bunch of teams whom have taken black QBs in the first round recently and quite a few black starting QBs in the league. Could the Bears, or some organizations, have racial bias? Absolutely, but it also obviously isn't everyone.

[Jeffster81]

The African American bros, Patric Mahomes and Lamar Jackson, are revolutionizing the QB position while our GM Ryan Pace is still looking for a clean cut soldier white boy to be our face of the franchise.

It's time for Ryan Pace and the rest of the NFL to admit the closet racist culture among football owners and management.

Not sure if serious.

There has been many "black QB's" that have sucked as QBs. Akili Smith, Jamarcus Russell, Robert Griffin III, etc. IMO, this is not a race problem, it's a scouting problem (and a offensive system problem).

[MeloRoseNoah]

The African American bros, Patric Mahomes and Lamar Jackson, are revolutionizing the QB position while our GM Ryan Pace is still looking for a clean cut soldier white boy to be our face of the franchise.

It's time for Ryan Pace and the rest of the NFL to admit the closet racist culture among football owners and management.

Not sure if serious.

There has been many "black QB's" that have sucked as QBs. Akili Smith, Jamarcus Russell, Robert Griffin III, etc. IMO, this is not a race problem, it's a scouting problem (and a offensive system problem).

I have went on extensive details on my previous posts about there isn't a single metrics that Trubisky beat on either Watson or Mahomes except that he's a clean cut white boy face for this franchise.

You can blame it being a scouting problem. But the entire scouting department is prejudiced against black QBs by assuming that both Mahomes and Watson are dumb QBs who can't read NFL defenses while Trubisky is this accurate high IQ QB who will can read NFL defenses and tear them apart. This is nothing but classic racism.

[dougthonus]

I have went on extensive details on my previous posts about there isn't a single metrics that Trubisky beat on either Watson or Mahomes except that he's a clean cut white boy face for this franchise.

College stats simply don't project out QBs really well, so I don't think that is all that concerning really. I preferred the Bears take Watson but I don't follow college football enough to have a strong opinion and only wanted them to take Watson because I actually heard of him prior to draft day (which is also a stupid reason).

Lots and lots of people had Trubisky higher on their board than Watson/Mahomes.

But the entire scouting department is prejudiced against black QBs by assuming that both Mahomes and Watson are dumb QBs who can't read NFL defenses while Trubisky is this accurate high IQ QB who will can read NFL defenses and tear them apart. This is nothing but classic racism.

Is there any basis to this other than you just made it up? I mean if it sounds like just straight up baseless slander.