2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick #7 (probably)

[drosestruts]

I never ever say this unqualified, because of how stupid it is, but well, I'm desperate enough as a fan to feel stupid:

If the Bulls don't win a lottery pick (top 4 or 4 I can't remember the new rules), and instead pick according to record (roughly 10th let's say), I would advocate trading the pick and whatever else is needed from among our other pieces like Coby, Lauri, Thad, Otto, and Sato to get virtually any good player in the league. I don't think the culture of our team can afford another medicore prospect who needs time and who we won't know what we have for a few years. No sir. Superstar level prospect or trade the pick IMO.

I'm not opposed to this, we have plenty of "young talent" it's time we get people who can produce.

Jrue Holiday, Fred Van Vleet (sign and trade), Denis Schroder - there's not much available out there, but I desperately want an upgrade at point guard next season and am willing to move this pick for it.

The above-mentioned players and some of the few difference-making point guards I think may actually be available. Deals for each would differ, but there's not many good point guard out there I see teams willing to part with. Slim pickings, but we need an upgrade.

[Ball4life32]

I think this draft is a crapshoot with a lot of high ceiling players with low floors. I don’t see any Morant Zion Luka ceilings but I see a lot of Trae Yiung ceilings. Ball, Edwards, Avidija

Trae’s averaging 29/9/5 on near elite efficiency at 21 year old. Don’t see anyone close to that ceiling.

Not a playmaker and limited offensive upside

His best hope is to be Dwight Howard and his body is 3 years away from that.

Very stiff and uncoordinated. He’s not Embiid.

Wiseman is more skilled than Dwight at the same stage. He isn’t a playmaker (how many C’s are?) but Wiseman doesn’t have limited offensive upside imo.

And Trae gives it all back on the other end. He’s the worst starting defender in the league. It infects his team too.

Trae’s got a +7.7 ON/OFF, so no actually he doesn’t give it right back on the other end. Hawks have a 95.7 ORTG with Trae off the floor, so let’s not act like it’s just his defense that’s the problem. The Hawks are playing significantly better now that Collins is back though.

[TheSuzerain]

Haliburton is out for the year.

I think he still comes out. He should be attainable.

[Benedict Miller]

Not a playmaker and limited offensive upside

His best hope is to be Dwight Howard and his body is 3 years away from that.

Very stiff and uncoordinated. He’s not Embiid.

Ball is very talented, Edwards big time talent, but I'm taking Wiseman and I'm not thinking twice about it. Wiseman showed me something with his intelligence on the defensive end to go with his size. This kid knows how to play like a big.

Andre Drummond can do the same thing for a late lottery pick.

Wiseman can be more of an anchor. If he can consistently knock down the mid-range shot that he's shown that he can hit, he'll be fine. I watched Embiid in college, Wiseman's farther along than Embiid was at the same age imo, even though Embiid was just getting started with basketball.

[KirkHinrich]

Sam Vecenie's latest mock has us picking Isaac Okoro at 8:

"The Bulls just drastically need someone who can play on the wing and who can help them win games. That’s Okoro. This dude is the ultimate winner. He makes all of the little plays across the court, including playing great defense both on ball and in a team construct. In fact, I legitimately think he’s one of the best defenders across college hoops despite only being 18 years old. The fact that Auburn has won a lot of close games this year isn’t an accident. They get timely scoring from some of their older guards, and Okoro helps them manufacture points through effort, athleticism, and an incredibly high feel for the game.

I really can’t imagine someone better for the Bulls, who are seemingly in desperate need of a culture changer. For his part, Okoro is the ultimate team guy, but I do have some questions about his offense right now. He has incredible body control and driving ability, and is a smart passer. But he’s also shooting under 30 percent from 3, and has some work to do on his jumper mechanically. Also, I’m not sure I see the upside of him right now as an on-ball threat creating for himself as opposed to playing off of someone else. Still, if I’m Chicago, I’m taking the best wing. Okoro is that."

[GimmeDat]

I'm big on Okoro. Just how high I'm willing to go on him though, I'm not sure. He's a sneaky upside type of guy that could be extremely good, but you're banking on a lot of development, even if I think he's a solid guy to bet on in that regard.

Hayes
Ajdiva
Okoro

Those are my guys. Trying to order those, who figure out where guys like Haliburton, Ball, Anthony, etc. fit into the mix is the hard part imo. It's the sort of draft where I don't think there's much of a difference between sat 2 and 9. There's a case to be made for all these guys floating in this tier.

That said, I'm particularly in on Hayes. 2 way player, extremely well rounded, putting up stats at a high pro level, really like his game. High level decision maker we need at PG, more of an offensive creator than a guy like Haliburton imo, will score at the rim more, more shot versatility and off the dribble scoring creation. That's why I'm giving him the slight edge - he's my #1 PG prospect for this team.

Ajdiva is really coming on. I'm buying him as a 3, he's shooting 40% from 3 if you discount shots taken in the last 5 seconds of the shot clock with a beautiful form, 'sneaky' athlete (in other words, you wouldn't guess it if you stereotyped him or didn't want much of his game, but he's good), can play the 4 imo, like his vision, solid defender, a lot to like there.

And Okoro is the best defender in the draft I would say, great athlete, again a good passer, and has flashes of offensive upside. A Jimmy Butler-esque prospect.

I think Anthony is a very interesting buy low proposition. Ball has lots of upside, you can argue him, I'm a little lower due to the noise around him, the D and jumpshot issues, lack of off-ball utility, etc. - he's low floor/high ceiling, and I watched plenty of him. Would not be mad with Okongwu, I think he's a sure-fire 10 year starter in this league. Wiseman's not far off as far as bigs go either, good potential there. Hali is a great passer and defender, and can hit a spot up 3 at a good rate.

[Chi town]

I'm big on Okoro. Just how high I'm willing to go on him though, I'm not sure. He's a sneaky upside type of guy that could be extremely good, but you're banking on a lot of development, even if I think he's a solid guy to bet on in that regard.

Hayes
Ajdiva
Okoro

Those are my guys. Trying to order those, who figure out where guys like Haliburton, Ball, Anthony, etc. fit into the mix is the hard part imo. It's the sort of draft where I don't think there's much of a difference between sat 2 and 9. There's a case to be made for all these guys floating in this tier.

That said, I'm particularly in on Hayes. 2 way player, extremely well rounded, putting up stats at a high pro level, really like his game. High level decision maker we need at PG, more of an offensive creator than a guy like Haliburton imo, will score at the rim more, more shot versatility and off the dribble scoring creation. That's why I'm giving him the slight edge - he's my #1 PG prospect for this team.

Ajdiva is really coming on. I'm buying him as a 3, he's shooting 40% from 3 if you discount shots taken in the last 5 seconds of the shot clock with a beautiful form, 'sneaky' athlete (in other words, you wouldn't guess it if you stereotyped him or didn't want much of his game, but he's good), can play the 4 imo, like his vision, solid defender, a lot to like there.

And Okoro is the best defender in the draft I would say, great athlete, again a good passer, and has flashes of offensive upside. A Jimmy Butler-esque prospect.

I think Anthony is a very interesting buy low proposition. Ball has lots of upside, you can argue him, I'm a little lower due to the noise around him, the D and jumpshot issues, lack of off-ball utility, etc. - he's low floor/high ceiling, and I watched plenty of him. Would not be mad with Okongwu, I think he's a sure-fire 10 year starter in this league. Wiseman's not far off as far as bigs go either, good potential there. Hali is a great passer and defender, and can hit a spot up 3 at a good rate.

I’m in on Ajdiva. I think he could be perfect in the new nba and play both 3 and 4. A better Tobias Harris IMO due to the handle.

I’m really interested in Hayes. What do you see in him? Could he be the pure PG that we need to take pressure off Zach and make the game easy for Lauri and WCJ? I love how effective he is changing speeds. A CP3 type of athlete.

[GimmeDat]

I'm big on Okoro. Just how high I'm willing to go on him though, I'm not sure. He's a sneaky upside type of guy that could be extremely good, but you're banking on a lot of development, even if I think he's a solid guy to bet on in that regard.

Hayes
Ajdiva
Okoro

Those are my guys. Trying to order those, who figure out where guys like Haliburton, Ball, Anthony, etc. fit into the mix is the hard part imo. It's the sort of draft where I don't think there's much of a difference between sat 2 and 9. There's a case to be made for all these guys floating in this tier.

That said, I'm particularly in on Hayes. 2 way player, extremely well rounded, putting up stats at a high pro level, really like his game. High level decision maker we need at PG, more of an offensive creator than a guy like Haliburton imo, will score at the rim more, more shot versatility and off the dribble scoring creation. That's why I'm giving him the slight edge - he's my #1 PG prospect for this team.

Ajdiva is really coming on. I'm buying him as a 3, he's shooting 40% from 3 if you discount shots taken in the last 5 seconds of the shot clock with a beautiful form, 'sneaky' athlete (in other words, you wouldn't guess it if you stereotyped him or didn't want much of his game, but he's good), can play the 4 imo, like his vision, solid defender, a lot to like there.

And Okoro is the best defender in the draft I would say, great athlete, again a good passer, and has flashes of offensive upside. A Jimmy Butler-esque prospect.

I think Anthony is a very interesting buy low proposition. Ball has lots of upside, you can argue him, I'm a little lower due to the noise around him, the D and jumpshot issues, lack of off-ball utility, etc. - he's low floor/high ceiling, and I watched plenty of him. Would not be mad with Okongwu, I think he's a sure-fire 10 year starter in this league. Wiseman's not far off as far as bigs go either, good potential there. Hali is a great passer and defender, and can hit a spot up 3 at a good rate.

I’m in on Ajdiva. I think he could be perfect in the new nba and play both 3 and 4. A better Tobias Harris IMO due to the handle.

I’m really interested in Hayes. What do you see in him? Could he be the pure PG that we need to take pressure off Zach and make the game easy for Lauri and WCJ? I love how effective he is changing speeds. A CP3 type of athlete.

I don't think he'll be quite the scorer Tobias is - I think Tobias has a bit more off the dribble shooting ability. I'm not sure I've seen that yet from what I've watched from Avdija so far. I agree more handle/better vision, though.

I think the form looks really good, but it's worth noting he's shooting in the 50%'s from the FT line, so a bit of a red flag there, I don't know why he can't knock it down from there.

I'm not sure if I can imagine a comparison for Hayes, but basically he has good size, I think it's like 6'5 with a 6'8 wingspan, he's shooting 39% from 3 and 90% from the line in Eurocup this season, he has really advanced creation foot-work and handle imo, he makes excellent reads as a PG, and whilst he isn't an explosive athlete (though as you said, he's good at changes speeds, he's pretty shifty), and he shoots a high percentage at the rim despite a really high 'unassisted' rate on those attempts. He has the size on D and he's made good strides on that end this season also. A lot to like there and I think he'd be a good compliment to Lavine in the back-court.

[LateNight]

I think I mentioned this before, but Jordan Nwora seems like he'll be a solid pro. Constant improvement, solid defense, currently 42% from 3 on good volume.

Biggest criticism seems to be that he's not athletic enough. Won't be able to stay in front of NBA talent, finish over bigs. But he definitely shows flashes - he has sneaky hops and can accelerate from the perimeter, so it seems like there's more there. Plus, third year player who lacks NBA athleticism was also the knock on Butler.

He's projected late in the 1st - what's everyone's take on him?

[MrSparkle]

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I’m not sure about him being a high-FRP type of prospect, but Rick Astley has some excellent BB-IQ. Brilliant off-the-ball, shoots well off-the-dribble, very good at finding the open man, dribbles with his head up, and has a floater and pull-up 3P to boot.

I’m very high on court vision. Combine that with shooting range and a floater, and at worst, you can have a valuable job in the NBA. Hell, Valentine would be just fine if he could last for more than 15mpg and 30 games per season. Nico shows much more as a PG.

If the Bulls use the pick, it must be either a high ceiling wing or a playmaker. Otherwise they should trade it, even if it’s Wiseman. But playmaking is pretty hard to address — if Nico shows some bit of a first step at scouting camps, I can get with that pick. How would he compare to Sato? He shows much more off-ball IQ and offensive creativity IMO, but the lack of a burst/acceleration would make me nervous. But the vision and decision-making is on another level.

Tough spot here. With WCJ, Lauri and Dunn coming back in the next 3 weeks, Bulls are probably making a strong run at 9 seed. Personally I think that would really suck. They should gun for a better prospect, not just cause of higher ceilings, but as a better trade chip.

I’d love to grab an actually good starting PG and consolidate/dump the froth (i.e. our entire PG rotation).

[Chi town]

Gimme how is Killian as a defender? Could he work with Zach? Enough shooting and volume to have a SF like Hutch that can’t space the floor?

Would Bulls draft a PG when they have said Coby is their PG of the future?

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Okoro is smart, strong, reasonably athletic. But he doesn’t he have crazy plus length, as far as I can tell, and the offense is obviously ways off. So he basically needs to take the Jimmy Butler path to high upside, which is a bit too narrow for me within the top 7.

[Chi town]

I like Nesmith out of Vandy w a late 1st or big trade back. High volume 3pt shooter that knows how to get open. I think he will climb up to teens though. Reminds me of Buddy Hield with SF size.

https://youtu.be/tX6X0TabK9M

Also like Cassius Winston in the 2nd round.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Kira Lewis has 26 with 7 mins left in the second half. Dude is a top 10 pick.

[Chi town]

Kira Lewis has 26 with 7 mins left in the second half. Dude is a top 10 pick.

He reminds me a lot of Coby. Ball dominant scoring combo.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Kira Lewis has 26 with 7 mins left in the second half. Dude is a top 10 pick.

Yeah. Kira passes the eye test for me a bit more than UNC Coby did. That first step is legit, and he’s getting better and better at mixing in some change of pace. Athletically he reminds me of D’Aaron Fox lite. I’m not sure how to project him as a shooter though.

[keobulls]

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I’m not sure about him being a high-FRP type of prospect, but Rick Astley has some excellent BB-IQ. Brilliant off-the-ball, shoots well off-the-dribble, very good at finding the open man, dribbles with his head up, and has a floater and pull-up 3P to boot.

The other thing about Rick Astley is he will never give you up, or let you down...

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[JohnnyTapwater]

I want a table setter, an adept play maker more than anything. I think the type of player that is elite at that would unlock our roster.

A top 3 pick would be nice. Wiseman and Edwards would be my choices I guess. I'm just really unenthused this year.

[CoreyVillains]

Hey guys, I finally finished my first 2020 NBA Draft Scouting Video. I went way more in depth this year than I did last year. Looking to make as many of these as I can before June!

So if you want an in depth look at LaMelo with commentary give it a watch!

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[Chicagoat]

Hey guys, I finally finished my first 2020 NBA Draft Scouting Video. I went way more in depth this year than I did last year. Looking to make as many of these as I can before June!

So if you want an in depth look at LaMelo with commentary give it a watch!

Watch on YouTube

Nice video. If you could, I would love to see one on Hayes. He's a prospect that really interests me.

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