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Post#361 » by FecesOfDeath » Fri Aug 28, 2020 1:28 am

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Mbrahv0528 wrote:I'm sorry, but this is bull. If it was white people in general, the cops are NOT reacting that way. Period. The cognitive dissonance is real.

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13% of the population commits 50% of the country's murders and robberies. A behavior based on statistical analysis.

It's possible that underreported and unsolved murders and robberies by other demographics could skew the data if these instances are in a large volume. It's also possible that lawyers are more likely to reach plea agreements than go to trial for a certain demographic, which could also skew the data if these instances are in a large volume. However, this is the data we have. Is this systemic racism or statistical racism?

Is there a culture issue that glorifies criminality and thug behavior over staying straight and pursuing higher education? Do some communities of a certain demographic throw huge parties for those who just got out of prison but not do the same for those who just received a college or postgraduate degree?


I didn't realize Brian Urlacher had an account here.


Urlacher and Ditka: the remaining sports stars of Chicago that still have balls.
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Post#362 » by Ben Wilson25 » Fri Aug 28, 2020 1:29 am

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ImSlower wrote:I have no idea what you are talking about. I never heard the term "China Virus" until Trump himself and his Fox News circus started pushing it. I certainly read plenty about a scary emerging virus in the Wuhan province, but it was always labelled CoVID-19 or sars-cov-2.



NYT, WaPo, and many other outlets were calling it the "Wuhan virus" or "Wuhan coronavirus" at least until March.


China Virus was never used by mainstream media. The term Wuhan Virus was only used until it had an official name. After that you know full well the only people who use it and why they do.
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ImSlower wrote:I have no idea what you are talking about. I never heard the term "China Virus" until Trump himself and his Fox News circus started pushing it. I certainly read plenty about a scary emerging virus in the Wuhan province, but it was always labelled CoVID-19 or sars-cov-2.



NYT, WaPo, and many other outlets were calling it the "Wuhan virus" or "Wuhan coronavirus" at least until March.


China Virus was never used by mainstream media. The term Wuhan Virus was only used until it had an official name. After that you know full well the only people who use it and why they do.


It's the WuFlu. Come on, man! The thing!
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Re: NBA games postponed today p14 Players decide to resume Playoffs 

Post#364 » by Phu317 » Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:27 am

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Phu317 wrote:I am a basketball fan. I support black lives matter (not the organization). I also support blue lives matter. I believe in fairness and justice. Although I am a minority, I view myself as an American. I don’t view myself as anything else. I would like to know how long these players will protest to...please cancel this season and continue to protest. They will protest as far as it doesn’t affect their pockets. Look at the Hong Kong situation. These guys are nothing but talk.


HK/China always gets brought up but it isn't really fair to NBA players. I wish they would speak out against all injustice but it isn't their responsibility. It is understandable why some young black men in America want to speak out against injustice towards.... young black men in America, but choose not to dabble in foreign affairs which some of them probably have no connection to or understanding of. Especially when some of them have directly experienced that injustice themselves.

Sure, some of it may be money/greed. But they also just relate to some issues more.


How is it not fair? How is it not their responsibility? They make millions from China. Injustice? Their shoes are being sold for hundreds of dollars. They cost pennies to make in China. Is that labor abuse? Is that injustice? These players directly benefit from that. As far as connecting and understanding, these guys have zero experience of being a police officer. The BIG ELEPHANT in the room is "COMPLY". When I get pulled over, I comply. PERIOD.
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Re: NBA games postponed today p14 Players decide to resume Playoffs 

Post#365 » by Mbrahv0528 » Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:35 am

Ben Wilson25 wrote:
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ImSlower wrote:I have no idea what you are talking about. I never heard the term "China Virus" until Trump himself and his Fox News circus started pushing it. I certainly read plenty about a scary emerging virus in the Wuhan province, but it was always labelled CoVID-19 or sars-cov-2.



NYT, WaPo, and many other outlets were calling it the "Wuhan virus" or "Wuhan coronavirus" at least until March.


China Virus was never used by mainstream media. The term Wuhan Virus was only used until it had an official name. After that you know full well the only people who use it and why they do.
You are correct sir.

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Post#367 » by robert76 » Fri Aug 28, 2020 1:42 pm

FecesOfDeath wrote:
Magilla_Gorilla wrote:
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13% of the population commits 50% of the country's murders and robberies. A behavior based on statistical analysis.

It's possible that underreported and unsolved murders and robberies by other demographics could skew the data if these instances are in a large volume. It's also possible that lawyers are more likely to reach plea agreements than go to trial for a certain demographic, which could also skew the data if these instances are in a large volume. However, this is the data we have. Is this systemic racism or statistical racism?

Is there a culture issue that glorifies criminality and thug behavior over staying straight and pursuing higher education? Do some communities of a certain demographic throw huge parties for those who just got out of prison but not do the same for those who just received a college or postgraduate degree?


I didn't realize Brian Urlacher had an account here.


Urlacher and Ditka: the remaining sports stars of Chicago that still have balls.


It doesn't take too much courage to lean towards racism in America right now. It's even encouraged directly from the White House. So no, they don't have balls.
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Post#368 » by IliketheBullsNBearstoo » Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:28 pm

robert76 wrote:
FecesOfDeath wrote:
Magilla_Gorilla wrote:
I didn't realize Brian Urlacher had an account here.


Urlacher and Ditka: the remaining sports stars of Chicago that still have balls.


It doesn't take too much courage to lean towards racism in America right now. It's even encouraged directly from the White House. So no, they don't have balls.


Just curious, what did Urlacher do exactly that is racist? I'm not looking for assumptions or accusations, I'm looking for the exact action of being racist. And for the record I don't see any evidence that the Blake shooting had any racial motivation behind it. It is simply not fair to the good people in our police force to be making those assumptions any time a white cop shoots a black person.

And I'm not racist btw.
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Post#369 » by Mbrahv0528 » Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:35 pm

IliketheBullsNBearstoo wrote:
robert76 wrote:
FecesOfDeath wrote:
Urlacher and Ditka: the remaining sports stars of Chicago that still have balls.


It doesn't take too much courage to lean towards racism in America right now. It's even encouraged directly from the White House. So no, they don't have balls.


Just curious, what did Urlacher do exactly that is racist? I'm not looking for assumptions or accusations, I'm looking for the exact action of being racist. And for the record I don't see any evidence that the Blake shooting had any racial motivation behind it. It is simply not fair to the good people in our police force to be making those assumptions any time a white cop shoots a black person.

And I'm not racist btw.
Pretty sure it was this.
https://sports.yahoo.com/bears-brian-urlacher-instagram-post-jacob-blake-protests-kyle-rittenhouse-033552616.html

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Post#370 » by IliketheBullsNBearstoo » Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:38 pm

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IliketheBullsNBearstoo wrote:
robert76 wrote:
It doesn't take too much courage to lean towards racism in America right now. It's even encouraged directly from the White House. So no, they don't have balls.


Just curious, what did Urlacher do exactly that is racist? I'm not looking for assumptions or accusations, I'm looking for the exact action of being racist. And for the record I don't see any evidence that the Blake shooting had any racial motivation behind it. It is simply not fair to the good people in our police force to be making those assumptions any time a white cop shoots a black person.

And I'm not racist btw.
Pretty sure it was this.
https://sports.yahoo.com/bears-brian-urlacher-instagram-post-jacob-blake-protests-kyle-rittenhouse-033552616.html

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I saw that, but what about it is racist?
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Post#371 » by Fl_Flash » Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:00 pm

IliketheBullsNBearstoo wrote:Just curious, what did Urlacher do exactly that is racist? I'm not looking for assumptions or accusations, I'm looking for the exact action of being racist. And for the record I don't see any evidence that the Blake shooting had any racial motivation behind it. It is simply not fair to the good people in our police force to be making those assumptions any time a white cop shoots a black person.

And I'm not racist btw.


To somewhat piggy-back on this.
At what point is a person to be held responsible for their actions?
Up until the point that the police officer shot Blake, the cops had been 100% going by the book and Blake had 100% ignored\disobeyed the instructions of the police.

I've read in this thread that the players sent a "powerful message". Did they and if so, I don't think it was the message that was intended. What would have been powerful would have been a statement by BLM, the players, hell anybody along the lines of: "while it's inexcusable for the officer to have fires seven shots at close range into Mr. Blakes back we recognize that Mr. Blake contributed to this incident by failing to comply with the officers at the scene and by failing to comply escalated the situation. Had Mr. Blake complied with the officers repeated requests none of this would have happened."

For the players to equate the Kenosha incident to the murder of George Floyd or Breonna Taylor is doing a disservice to their cause. Floyd and Taylor were outright murdered. Blake solely escalated this incident by his non-compliance. Two completely different circumstances.

You want to even begin to improve this "systemic racism" in our nation and specifically with the police, you have to be able to ascertain which acts are outright murder and which ones were precipitated by the actions of both the police and the "victim". Personally, I can't take a movement seriously which simply states that anytime a black man is shot by a white police officer it's racially motivated. Sometimes it is as with George Floyd and Breonna Taylor. Absolutely. Other times it's just happens to be an idiot who didn't obey authority and happened to have black skin. By conflagrating the two, the importance of the message gets lost.

My respect for the NBA players has gone down greatly because they can't seem to see the difference and are just following along with the herd instead of being voices both of change AND reason.
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Post#372 » by dougthonus » Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:27 pm

IliketheBullsNBearstoo wrote:I saw that, but what about it is racist?


I think these are complicated times.

People are so emotionally charged that people are just lining up to take sides and most people feel there is a need to be completely one side or the other.

My understanding of the situation is:
Blake had a felony warrant out for his arrest for domestic violence. 911 was called by a woman due to Blake's presence because he wasn't supposed to be there and had taken her car keys and wouldn't give them back which is a relatively minor domestic dispute all things considered. He isn't hitting her or anything like that, there is no violence going on in the situation that requires a violent escalation of things.

When police arrive, Blake is non compliant and resists arrests. They attempt to taze him unsuccessfully after wrestling him to the ground. Blake slowly strolls back to his car and police allow him to do so. Once there, he attempts to arm himself/is armed as shouts of drop the knife are heard and a knife is recovered from the floorboards of his front seat. He's shot after he, presumably refuses to drop the knife.

I think it's completely understandable for someone to say regardless of arrest warrant he doesn't deserve to be shot and some other action should have been taken. While the 911 call was a domestic disturbance, this wasn't Blake violently striking the woman, he had her car keys and there wasn't an imminent threat. The police fundamentally failed in their job by letting him walk slowly back to the car and even attempt to arm himself which caused this unnecessary escalation which followed.

I think it's also completely reasonable to say this was someone with a felony arrest warrant out for him, that was the antagonist at the scene which caused the police to show up, that resisted arrest repeatedly, that was non compliant to simple commands, and was attempting to arm himself (or had just armed himself) when he was shot.

Unlike Floyd whom was flat out murdered after being incapacitated and not a threat or Taylor whom was just flat out murdered during a no knock raid where she was just sitting at home and never did anything wrong, this situation is far from cut and dry. The police should have done better than they did, but none of this happens if Blake is compliant with commands. This is fundamentally different than Floyd/Taylor whom weren't at fault at all and were straight up murdered, but we're sitting on a powder keg of emotions right now, and no one wants to hear a moderate view of anything.
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Post#373 » by FecesOfDeath » Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:33 pm

robert76 wrote:
FecesOfDeath wrote:
Magilla_Gorilla wrote:
I didn't realize Brian Urlacher had an account here.


Urlacher and Ditka: the remaining sports stars of Chicago that still have balls.


It doesn't take too much courage to lean towards racism in America right now. It's even encouraged directly from the White House. So no, they don't have balls.


I disagree. How easy is it to say things that you know aren't going to be received well by a gaslighting, race-baiting media? In a cancel culture that censors right-leaning talking points while letting messages of rioting, looting, and vandalism stay posted penalty-free? When simply being the mother of a LEO who shot a fleeing arrest-resister who stole and shot a taser would cost you your job? When being a Latino and allegedly giving the OK hand signal out your employer's work truck window while driving would cost you your job?

In contrast, It's not too hard to be a parrot for the handpicked stories and narratives the mainstream news and sports media wants you to know about, knowing that an ignorant mob is going to be there to back you up.
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Post#374 » by IliketheBullsNBearstoo » Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:35 pm

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IliketheBullsNBearstoo wrote:I saw that, but what about it is racist?


I think these are complicated times.

My understanding of the situation is:
Blake had a felony warrant out for his arrest for domestic violence. 911 was called by a woman due to Blake's presence because he wasn't supposed to be there and had taken her car keys and wouldn't give them back which is a relatively minor domestic dispute all things considered. He isn't hitting her or anything like that, there is no violence going on in the situation that requires a violent escalation of things.

When police arrive, Blake is non compliant and resists arrests. They attempt to taze him unsuccessfully after wrestling him to the ground. Blake slowly strolls back to his car and police allow him to do so. Once there, he attempts to arm himself/is armed as shouts of drop the knife are heard and a knife is recovered from the floorboards of his front seat. He's shot after he, presumably refuses to drop the knife.

I think it's completely understandable for someone to say regardless of arrest warrant he doesn't deserve to be shot and some other action should have been taken. While the 911 call was a domestic disturbance, this wasn't Blake violently striking the woman, he had her car keys and there wasn't an imminent threat. The police fundamentally failed in their job by letting him walk slowly back to the car and even attempt to arm himself which caused this unnecessary escalation which followed.

I think it's also completely reasonable to say this was someone with a felony arrest warrant out for him, that was the antagonist at the scene which caused the police to show up, that resisted arrest repeatedly, that was non compliant to simple commands, and was attempting to arm himself (or had just armed himself) when he was shot.

Unlike Floyd whom was flat out murdered after being incapacitated and not a threat or Taylor whom was just flat out murdered during a no knock raid where she was just sitting at home and never did anything wrong, this situation is far from cut and dry. However there is so much pent up emotion on all sides that everything becomes incredibly polarized immediately.


You're right, these are complicated times. What you stated that the police could have done is really an opinion from people that have time to sit and think about. These police don't have that luxury. They did try to stop him. The police are human too. They aren't perfect and their jobs are not easy. They are just like you and me. Urlacher has his opinion on the matter as well and it might not be the same as yours. Doesn't make him right. Doesn't make you wrong. But I don't see anything that would make me believe he is racist (yet).
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Post#375 » by TheStig » Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:36 pm

Phu317 wrote:
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Phu317 wrote:I am a basketball fan. I support black lives matter (not the organization). I also support blue lives matter. I believe in fairness and justice. Although I am a minority, I view myself as an American. I don’t view myself as anything else. I would like to know how long these players will protest to...please cancel this season and continue to protest. They will protest as far as it doesn’t affect their pockets. Look at the Hong Kong situation. These guys are nothing but talk.


HK/China always gets brought up but it isn't really fair to NBA players. I wish they would speak out against all injustice but it isn't their responsibility. It is understandable why some young black men in America want to speak out against injustice towards.... young black men in America, but choose not to dabble in foreign affairs which some of them probably have no connection to or understanding of. Especially when some of them have directly experienced that injustice themselves.

Sure, some of it may be money/greed. But they also just relate to some issues more.


How is it not fair? How is it not their responsibility? They make millions from China. Injustice? Their shoes are being sold for hundreds of dollars. They cost pennies to make in China. Is that labor abuse? Is that injustice? These players directly benefit from that. As far as connecting and understanding, these guys have zero experience of being a police officer. The BIG ELEPHANT in the room is "COMPLY". When I get pulled over, I comply. PERIOD.

I wouldn't even put it at that. He got critized by the players for speaking out.

"I don't want to get into a [verbal] feud with Daryl Morey, but I believe he wasn't educated on the situation at hand, and he spoke," James said before the Los Angeles Lakers played the Golden State Warriors in a preseason game at Staples Center. "And so many people could have been harmed not only financially, physically, emotionally, spiritually. So just be careful what we tweet and say and we do, even though, yes, we do have freedom of speech, but there can be a lot of negative that comes with that, too."


AKA STFU about our sugar pot. I highly doubt that the MIT educated executive was soooooooo misinformed. It's also pretty clear that China is removing freedoms from HK...... like the freedom of speach that James mentioned. But they turn the other cheek because of the money being made from shoes, jerseys and tv deals.

It most certainly is hypocritical and a double standard.
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Post#376 » by musiqsoulchild » Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:05 pm

IliketheBullsNBearstoo wrote:
robert76 wrote:
FecesOfDeath wrote:
Urlacher and Ditka: the remaining sports stars of Chicago that still have balls.


It doesn't take too much courage to lean towards racism in America right now. It's even encouraged directly from the White House. So no, they don't have balls.


Just curious, what did Urlacher do exactly that is racist? I'm not looking for assumptions or accusations, I'm looking for the exact action of being racist. And for the record I don't see any evidence that the Blake shooting had any racial motivation behind it. It is simply not fair to the good people in our police force to be making those assumptions any time a white cop shoots a black person.

And I'm not racist btw.


Racism is a subset of the issue.

The real issue is that our policing system does not know how to de-escalate or how to escalate appropriately.

Let's fix that first.

The roots of that are deep...and a few of these roots are racial roots. And some are just rooted in a history of power differential.

It stems from a time where cops had unlimited authority to crush "mobs".

The racism of letting Kyle go scott free initially and having him "police" the streets is also not to be forgotten.

Racism can be applied as favoritism. Or as negative bias. Or both.
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Post#377 » by musiqsoulchild » Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:10 pm

IliketheBullsNBearstoo wrote:
dougthonus wrote:
IliketheBullsNBearstoo wrote:I saw that, but what about it is racist?


I think these are complicated times.

My understanding of the situation is:
Blake had a felony warrant out for his arrest for domestic violence. 911 was called by a woman due to Blake's presence because he wasn't supposed to be there and had taken her car keys and wouldn't give them back which is a relatively minor domestic dispute all things considered. He isn't hitting her or anything like that, there is no violence going on in the situation that requires a violent escalation of things.

When police arrive, Blake is non compliant and resists arrests. They attempt to taze him unsuccessfully after wrestling him to the ground. Blake slowly strolls back to his car and police allow him to do so. Once there, he attempts to arm himself/is armed as shouts of drop the knife are heard and a knife is recovered from the floorboards of his front seat. He's shot after he, presumably refuses to drop the knife.

I think it's completely understandable for someone to say regardless of arrest warrant he doesn't deserve to be shot and some other action should have been taken. While the 911 call was a domestic disturbance, this wasn't Blake violently striking the woman, he had her car keys and there wasn't an imminent threat. The police fundamentally failed in their job by letting him walk slowly back to the car and even attempt to arm himself which caused this unnecessary escalation which followed.

I think it's also completely reasonable to say this was someone with a felony arrest warrant out for him, that was the antagonist at the scene which caused the police to show up, that resisted arrest repeatedly, that was non compliant to simple commands, and was attempting to arm himself (or had just armed himself) when he was shot.

Unlike Floyd whom was flat out murdered after being incapacitated and not a threat or Taylor whom was just flat out murdered during a no knock raid where she was just sitting at home and never did anything wrong, this situation is far from cut and dry. However there is so much pent up emotion on all sides that everything becomes incredibly polarized immediately.


You're right, these are complicated times. What you stated that the police could have done is really an opinion from people that have time to sit and think about. These police don't have that luxury. They did try to stop him. The police are human too. They aren't perfect and their jobs are not easy. They are just like you and me. Urlacher has his opinion on the matter as well and it might not be the same as yours. Doesn't make him right. Doesn't make you wrong. But I don't see anything that would make me believe he is racist (yet).


We have to as a society move away from that.

We cant say soldiers are humans too. And forgive them for war crimes. Even if they might be small ones like letting big dogs loose on prisoners.

Cops ARE by Law held to a higher standard than Civilians.

That's the entirety of the job.
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Post#378 » by IliketheBullsNBearstoo » Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:14 pm

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IliketheBullsNBearstoo wrote:
robert76 wrote:
It doesn't take too much courage to lean towards racism in America right now. It's even encouraged directly from the White House. So no, they don't have balls.


Just curious, what did Urlacher do exactly that is racist? I'm not looking for assumptions or accusations, I'm looking for the exact action of being racist. And for the record I don't see any evidence that the Blake shooting had any racial motivation behind it. It is simply not fair to the good people in our police force to be making those assumptions any time a white cop shoots a black person.

And I'm not racist btw.


Racism is a subset of the issue.

The real issue is that our policing system does not know how to de-escalate or how to escalate appropriately.

Let's fix that first.

The roots of that are deep...and akke of them are racial roots. And some are just rooted in a history of power differential.

It stems from a time where cops had unlimited authority to crush "mobs".

The racism of letting Kyle go scott free initially and having him "police" the streets is also not to be forgotten.

Racism can be applied as favoritism. Or as negative bias. Or both.


I agree.

But bringing the race card into ANY incident that just involves a white man shooting a black man only complicates the issue and we will only take steps back in ever resolving it. Its not productive. But I really don't want to have that conversation here. I just think Brian is being misunderstood here.
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Post#379 » by musiqsoulchild » Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:16 pm

dougthonus wrote:
IliketheBullsNBearstoo wrote:I saw that, but what about it is racist?


I think these are complicated times.

My understanding of the situation is:
Blake had a felony warrant out for his arrest for domestic violence. 911 was called by a woman due to Blake's presence because he wasn't supposed to be there and had taken her car keys and wouldn't give them back which is a relatively minor domestic dispute all things considered. He isn't hitting her or anything like that, there is no violence going on in the situation that requires a violent escalation of things.

When police arrive, Blake is non compliant and resists arrests. They attempt to taze him unsuccessfully after wrestling him to the ground. Blake slowly strolls back to his car and police allow him to do so. Once there, he attempts to arm himself/is armed as shouts of drop the knife are heard and a knife is recovered from the floorboards of his front seat. He's shot after he, presumably refuses to drop the knife.

I think it's completely understandable for someone to say regardless of arrest warrant he doesn't deserve to be shot and some other action should have been taken. While the 911 call was a domestic disturbance, this wasn't Blake violently striking the woman, he had her car keys and there wasn't an imminent threat. The police fundamentally failed in their job by letting him walk slowly back to the car and even attempt to arm himself which caused this unnecessary escalation which followed.

I think it's also completely reasonable to say this was someone with a felony arrest warrant out for him, that was the antagonist at the scene which caused the police to show up, that resisted arrest repeatedly, that was non compliant to simple commands, and was attempting to arm himself (or had just armed himself) when he was shot.

Unlike Floyd whom was flat out murdered after being incapacitated and not a threat or Taylor whom was just flat out murdered during a no knock raid where she was just sitting at home and never did anything wrong, this situation is far from cut and dry. The police should have done better than they did, but none of this happens if Blake is compliant with commands. This is fundamentally different than Floyd/Taylor whom weren't at fault at all and were straight up murdered, but we're sitting on a powder keg of emotions right now, and no one wants to hear a moderate view of anything.



I agree a 100 percent with your assessment Doug.

Heres where I have one different dataset to add:

We ( non-Blacks) have come to this emotionally charged time after:

Ahmad Arbury
Breonna Taylor
George Floyd
And now, when Blake happens...it just gets us into that emotionally charged pattern.

That's just 6 months of being BLACK in America.

Imagine how that community feels with countless names before.

And the millions of nameless ones killed/maimed/raped since being put on a ship from Ghana.

We may not feel a Blake as viscerally as many Black people instantly feel. It's a raw exposed nerve touched each time.
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Re: NBA games postponed today 

Post#380 » by IliketheBullsNBearstoo » Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:19 pm

musiqsoulchild wrote:
IliketheBullsNBearstoo wrote:
dougthonus wrote:
I think these are complicated times.

My understanding of the situation is:
Blake had a felony warrant out for his arrest for domestic violence. 911 was called by a woman due to Blake's presence because he wasn't supposed to be there and had taken her car keys and wouldn't give them back which is a relatively minor domestic dispute all things considered. He isn't hitting her or anything like that, there is no violence going on in the situation that requires a violent escalation of things.

When police arrive, Blake is non compliant and resists arrests. They attempt to taze him unsuccessfully after wrestling him to the ground. Blake slowly strolls back to his car and police allow him to do so. Once there, he attempts to arm himself/is armed as shouts of drop the knife are heard and a knife is recovered from the floorboards of his front seat. He's shot after he, presumably refuses to drop the knife.

I think it's completely understandable for someone to say regardless of arrest warrant he doesn't deserve to be shot and some other action should have been taken. While the 911 call was a domestic disturbance, this wasn't Blake violently striking the woman, he had her car keys and there wasn't an imminent threat. The police fundamentally failed in their job by letting him walk slowly back to the car and even attempt to arm himself which caused this unnecessary escalation which followed.

I think it's also completely reasonable to say this was someone with a felony arrest warrant out for him, that was the antagonist at the scene which caused the police to show up, that resisted arrest repeatedly, that was non compliant to simple commands, and was attempting to arm himself (or had just armed himself) when he was shot.

Unlike Floyd whom was flat out murdered after being incapacitated and not a threat or Taylor whom was just flat out murdered during a no knock raid where she was just sitting at home and never did anything wrong, this situation is far from cut and dry. However there is so much pent up emotion on all sides that everything becomes incredibly polarized immediately.


You're right, these are complicated times. What you stated that the police could have done is really an opinion from people that have time to sit and think about. These police don't have that luxury. They did try to stop him. The police are human too. They aren't perfect and their jobs are not easy. They are just like you and me. Urlacher has his opinion on the matter as well and it might not be the same as yours. Doesn't make him right. Doesn't make you wrong. But I don't see anything that would make me believe he is racist (yet).


We have to as a society move away from that.

We cant say soldiers are humans too. And forgive them for war crimes. Even if they might be small ones like letting big dogs loose on prisoners.

Cops ARE by Law held to a higher standard than Civilians.

That's the entirety of the job.


Once again, that is your opinion. I respect it because we are different. Not in bad ways. But people have to be accountable for their actions. Whether they are a soldier, a cop, or just a regular citizen, white or black. Or brown, or yellow, or whatever.

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