drosereturn wrote:The Rebel wrote:I think this is a great hire and indicates that Karnisovas is going to build the same way the Nuggets were built.
It may frustrate you guys at times, I know Nuggets fans got frustrated especially about 2 years ago, but trust me when I say that right now the 5 year rebuild was worth it.
The way it works is that the entire franchise focuses on development. The Nuggets at 1 time had almost as many assistant coaches and player development guys as they did players, and if you are paying attention you can see how it has paid off.
As the young guys develop and are ready for minutes than the guys who are not developing or veterans not in the long term plans are traded off. You will see things like when Nurkic was showing he was ready and already better than Mozgov, Mozgov was traded for 2 future 1sts. When Harris was ready for minutes they traded Afflalo for Barton and a pick. Joffrey Lauvergne was traded when it became apparent that both Jokic and Nurkic were better.
Old veterans will likely be brought in, guys like Mike Miller and Richard Jefferson, who were brought in to work with the young guys and occasionally play a handful of minutes when games would spiral out of control for the young guys.
You will see experts continually say that the Bulls have no direction, and then suddenly you will be making noise in the playoffs.
You guys have a younger mix of guys than we did when Connelly and AK took over, so maybe it will take you less time, but either way if you are patient it gets fun in a few years.
nope not frustrated at all now that we have a total new regime with a top gm and players coach compared to the Nuggets when they were all inexperienced. Combine that with the fact that Chicago has much higher draft capital and assets to the Nuggets pre Jokic yrs and they are a powerhouse with top 3 market, the Bulls version will be much better esp when they dont have to sign washed up veterans like Millsap anymore. The Bulls could easily abandon the draft route and consolidate Lavine into Beal using the Donovan connection or ADs chicago connection. FA is all about dominos so if 1 star falls, the other will fall too.
AK could easily hit another MPJ, Bol every yr helps. im expecting 2nd round exit in 2 yrs considering AKs drafted players are performing starter lvl in yr 1 and they were had literally for free without any tanking. (Bol, MPJ)
The Bulls are easily the new BKN nets with better drafting abilities disgruntled stars will collude to join. AK and Donovan already are proven for yrs they dont need to prove to the superstars except making the playoffs this yr with this current core.
I'm sorry but your entire post reeks of the attitude that got the Bulls into this position in the 1st place.
What assets do the Bulls have that are better than what the Nuggets had in 2013? The Nuggets were a young team that despite losing arguably their best player to injury during the season made the playoffs and were known as being a team that went 2 deep at every position. That team was so deep that Evan Fournier could not get off the bench prior to GAllo and Chandler both getting injured. They also had 2 extra future 1st round picks, a swap option on the 2016 Knicks pick, 2 extra 2nd round picks, and salary cap room. When Connelly and AK took over.
We can go through every transaction if you wish, but it is going to be a mixed bag, and honestly it does not matter to this discussion.
What is important is what we know from hearing him talk, from the actions while he is in the front office, and from reports.
You want to talk about drafting? Arturus and Tim Connelly have openly talked about their philosophy of finding late bloomers a year before they would be lotto picks and than allowing those guys to develop in Europe or the D league 1 more year. They have focused on that since they arrived in 2013, while it has paid of big but there have also been some big misses as well. IN 2016, 2017, and 2018 they went into every draft openly talking about trading out of it or trading some of their picks because they already had too many guys to develop, that is how we ended up drafting 3 guys who were projected to be out for the year, namely MPJ, Beasely, and Bol. In other words AK is likely not going to draft a guy who you should expect to see much from next season unless a top flight guy lands in his lap.
The entire Nuggets franchise has been focused on development since 2013. Everybody talks about their hits, but what people forget is that there are a lot of guys who did not work out, including Mudiay who was drafted with the highest pick the Nuggets have earned since 2003. They entire draft history says that AK is going with the shotgun and development approach, get a lot of guys who you hope work out and develop them to see which ones stick. That takes a lot more than 2 years especially when you are drafting guys that you figure are going to be worthless their 1st year.
You think it is easy to just trading for Beal or whoever you want? Why would the Wizards want Lavine? Why would they want any of your top guys right now? Why would Beal or any other superstar want to join your team when they can go to LA, Miami, or any of the other premier places and have a winning team already around them? Like it or not the league is not lining up to trade or a bunch of guys you do not want that have played for years on a bad team and nobody wants to get traded for a team that you hope will turn it around someday.
You want to discuss free agents, when is the last time the Bulls signed a top free agent? Wade who everybody knew was done? Ben Wallace is the closest I remember and he was pretty much known to be slowing down from his time in Detroit. Other than that who have they signed in the last 20 years? Millsap was the 2nd most in demand free agent a little over 3 years ago and a 4 time current all star. The Nuggets signed him knowing full well he would likely be slowing down by now, that is why they put the team option in for last year. Fact is that Millsap has been a great signing for the Nuggets, not only has he been great on defense, but he has helped our young guys learn to lead and learn to work through the adversity. I doubt you will find a single Nuggets fan that has a bad thing to say about that signing.
You seem to have this philosophy that just because you are Chicago that guys are lining up to play for you, yet you guys have been trying that since Jordan left and you still have nothing to show for it. You have made it to the conference finals 1 time in the last 20 years. You had 1 winning season in the last 5 years and I have not seen a single Bulls player in any top young player lists in a few years. Karnisovas was brought in to totally rebuild the franchise and basically start over, that is why they changed out the medical staff, brought in a bunch of guys to the front office, and bringing in a new coaching staff, and then they have to develop the young guys and bring in the players they want, if you think that will take 2 years than I would prepare to be majorly disappointed.
