Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft

[Betta Bulleavit]

Kingsbury is an awful head coach he didn't have a winning record with Patrick Mahomes throwing for 5000 yards and 40 TDs. Carroll is washed up and 73.

Bill Belichick’s record without Brady is like 83-104. I don’t believe Kingsbury had Brady either. Mahomes has said that Kingsbury helped him become the player he is today. I’m sure Jayden Daniels will say the same.

Not sure what Belichick has to do with with but okay. He was also 28-37 in AZ. He isnt a good head coach.

So, you’ve told us a lot about who we shouldn’t be going after. But I’d be interested in knowing who you think we should be going after.

[Jcool0]

Bill Belichick’s record without Brady is like 83-104. I don’t believe Kingsbury had Brady either. Mahomes has said that Kingsbury helped him become the player he is today. I’m sure Jayden Daniels will say the same.

Not sure what Belichick has to do with with but okay. He was also 28-37 in AZ. He isnt a good head coach.

So, you’ve told us a lot about who we shouldn’t be going after. But I’d be interested in knowing who you think we should be going after.

Ben Johnson would be #1. I would take a look at Todd Monken. Mike McCarthy has a 58% win percentage in Dallas so he would be on my list. Joe Brady & Liam Coen, Robert Saleh would get an interview since i think he kind of got screwed in NY, but he would need a great plan for offense.

[nomorezorro]

i was pretty low on kingsbury as an OC candidate last year, let alone as a HC, but even i find it hard to be too dismissive about what he's been able to accomplish in washington with daniels. sometimes dudes need some time to marinate before they figure out how to do the job; he's a perfectly solid candidate at this point.

(i do still think it's silly to favor him because of his ~connection to caleb~ when caleb had a worse season under kliff than he did the year before at usc)

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[Betta Bulleavit]

Not sure what Belichick has to do with with but okay. He was also 28-37 in AZ. He isnt a good head coach.

So, you’ve told us a lot about who we shouldn’t be going after. But I’d be interested in knowing who you think we should be going after.

Ben Johnson would be #1. I would take a look at Todd Monken. Mike McCarthy has a 58% win percentage in Dallas so he would be on my list. Joe Brady & Liam Coen, Robert Saleh would get an interview since i think he kind of got screwed in NY, but he would need a great plan for offense.

Generally speaking, these are all fine names. But many of them have proven far less than a guy like Carroll for example. It doesn’t mean they won’t make good HCs or anything. It’s just that great coordinators flame out as HCs all the time.

To your point about Saleh, he’s a guy that I’d love to pair with Johnson if we can nab him.

[Betta Bulleavit]

i was pretty low on kingsbury as an OC candidate last year, let alone as a HC, but even i find it hard to be too dismissive about what he's been able to accomplish in washington with daniels. sometimes dudes need some time to marinate before they figure out how to do the job; he's a perfectly solid candidate at this point.

(i do still think it's silly to favor him because of his ~connection to caleb~ when caleb had a worse season under kliff than he did the year before at usc)

That’s a good point as well. Understand though that from a coordinator perspective, I’m not as high on a lot of these guys as some people are. Johnson is the only one that I’m truly willing to go all in on.

So I guess you could say that it’s either Johnson or someone proven.

[Jcool0]

So, you’ve told us a lot about who we shouldn’t be going after. But I’d be interested in knowing who you think we should be going after.

Ben Johnson would be #1. I would take a look at Todd Monken. Mike McCarthy has a 58% win percentage in Dallas so he would be on my list. Joe Brady & Liam Coen, Robert Saleh would get an interview since i think he kind of got screwed in NY, but he would need a great plan for offense.

Generally speaking, these are all fine names. But many of them have proven far less than a guy like Carroll for example. It doesn’t mean they won’t make good HCs or anything. It’s just that great coordinators flame out as HCs all the time.

To your point about Saleh, he’s a guy that I’d love to pair with Johnson if we can nab him.

Carroll was a good coach for a long time but there is nothing to indicate you would get 2005 Carroll and not 2023. Everyone has an expiration date.

[nitetrain8603]

I say Kingsbury mainly because of his connection to Caleb and potentially knowing how to get the most out of a Caleb led offense.

Just because a coach is in his 70s doesn’t mean that he’s washed. I’ve heard a couple of Pete Carroll interviews since he parted ways with Seattle and you can tell that his coaching chops are still there. Seattle didn’t move on from him because he was finished. They moved on because they simply thought it was time for a new voice. Two different things.

Carroll made the playoffs once in his last 3 seasons and was 3-6 in hist last 9 playoff games. His last top 10 defense was in 2016. And the last OC he hired was Shane Waldron.

Carrol shouldn't be judged because his last OC was bad. He's had numerous assistants either become head coaches or get a lot of interest to be a HC, on both offense and defense. And the coaches he had behind Waldron were great and went on to be really good Ocs and HCs.

He also called out Waldron during the season during a presser saying he needs to be better. Lastly, he was going to let go of Waldron at the end of they year had he held onto his job.

In addition to that, let's not act like Seattle's talent level said they should've been even better than Carroll made them. Geno Smith was considered a failed prospect by the time he got there. Russell Wilson clearly was propped up by Carroll. They had traded/let go or aged out vets.

Context matters.

[Charlesareed]

My top choices are

Ben Johnson
Joe Brady
Mike McCarthy
Pete Carroll
Kliff Kingsberry

[Betta Bulleavit]

Ben Johnson would be #1. I would take a look at Todd Monken. Mike McCarthy has a 58% win percentage in Dallas so he would be on my list. Joe Brady & Liam Coen, Robert Saleh would get an interview since i think he kind of got screwed in NY, but he would need a great plan for offense.

Generally speaking, these are all fine names. But many of them have proven far less than a guy like Carroll for example. It doesn’t mean they won’t make good HCs or anything. It’s just that great coordinators flame out as HCs all the time.

To your point about Saleh, he’s a guy that I’d love to pair with Johnson if we can nab him.

Carroll was a good coach for a long time but there is nothing to indicate you would get 2005 Carroll and not 2023. Everyone has an expiration date.

Sometimes, circumstances expire. That is, sometimes good things just run their course. It happened with Reid in Philadelphia. I think we’re seeing it with Tomlin in Pittsburgh. And I think we’re saw that with Carroll in Seattle.

Typically, great head coaches don’t become bad all of a sudden. More often than not, they just become less effective due to circumstance.

[Peelboy]

My ranking of coach preferences:
1. Ben Johnson (for obvious reasons)
1a. Mike McCarthy - I know he's underwhelming, but record developing QBs including Rodgers, Dak, but even his work with Favre, Aaron Brooks, the performance he helped get from ElvisGrbac/Rich Gannon in KC is pretty stellar and exactly what we should want from a Caleb coach. And for all that he's viewed as a failure in Dallas, he led them to 3 straight 12 win seasons. Proven QB developer, experience as a HC for a contender, and a SB win. That checks all the boxes for me. Not as sexy, but a lot more proven than Johnson who's clearly a fantastic offensive mind but has questions as an HC.
2. Carroll - assuming he gets a top caliber OC and ideally makes that guy HC in waiting to try and keep him around if successful.

The rest are somewhat meh for me (Coen, Brady, Monken, Kingsbury) or pukeworthy (Petzing, Kafka, college guys).

[patryk7754]

Aaron Glenn is starting to grow on me a lot. He actually reminds me a lot of Pete Carrol. I have little doubt that the culture will be strong with him. The biggest similarity he has with Carroll is his excellent ability to coach the secondary. He's also been around great coaching outside of Detroit. Out of all the first time coaches, he might be my top choice other than Johnson.

[patryk7754]

If we do go with a defensive head coach, I think Doug Pederson should be in consideration for OC

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[patryk7754]

If you want a coaching staff that has proven success and can be a CEO and be a lead off men, I think a can't miss combo could be Carroll at HC, Pederson as OC, and Saleh as DC. and assuming both of the assistants don't get a HC job before carroll steps downs, they can step in for him eventually.

[jnrjr79]

Ben Johnson would be #1. I would take a look at Todd Monken. Mike McCarthy has a 58% win percentage in Dallas so he would be on my list. Joe Brady & Liam Coen, Robert Saleh would get an interview since i think he kind of got screwed in NY, but he would need a great plan for offense.

Generally speaking, these are all fine names. But many of them have proven far less than a guy like Carroll for example. It doesn’t mean they won’t make good HCs or anything. It’s just that great coordinators flame out as HCs all the time.

To your point about Saleh, he’s a guy that I’d love to pair with Johnson if we can nab him.

Carroll was a good coach for a long time but there is nothing to indicate you would get 2005 Carroll and not 2023. Everyone has an expiration date.

2023 Carroll led a meh Seahawks roster to a 9-8 record and Geno freakin' Smith made the Pro Bowl.

[Jcool0]

Carroll made the playoffs once in his last 3 seasons and was 3-6 in hist last 9 playoff games. His last top 10 defense was in 2016. And the last OC he hired was Shane Waldron.

Carrol shouldn't be judged because his last OC was bad. He's had numerous assistants either become head coaches or get a lot of interest to be a HC, on both offense and defense. And the coaches he had behind Waldron were great and went on to be really good Ocs and HCs.

He also called out Waldron during the season during a presser saying he needs to be better. Lastly, he was going to let go of Waldron at the end of they year had he held onto his job.

In addition to that, let's not act like Seattle's talent level said they should've been even better than Carroll made them. Geno Smith was considered a failed prospect by the time he got there. Russell Wilson clearly was propped up by Carroll. They had traded/let go or aged out vets.

Context matters.

Seattle OC:

Shane Walren would of been fired 2023

Brian Schottenheimer fired 2020

Darrell Bevell fired 2018

Jeremy Bates fired 2011

Context matters.

[Jcool0]

Generally speaking, these are all fine names. But many of them have proven far less than a guy like Carroll for example. It doesn’t mean they won’t make good HCs or anything. It’s just that great coordinators flame out as HCs all the time.

To your point about Saleh, he’s a guy that I’d love to pair with Johnson if we can nab him.

Carroll was a good coach for a long time but there is nothing to indicate you would get 2005 Carroll and not 2023. Everyone has an expiration date.

2023 Carroll led a meh Seahawks roster to a 9-8 record and Geno freakin' Smith made the Pro Bowl.

Geno Smith 2023: 20 TDs 9 INTs 92.1 QB rating 8-7 record

Geno Smith 2024: 21 TDs 15 INTs 93.2 QB rating 10-7 record

[jnrjr79]

Carroll was a good coach for a long time but there is nothing to indicate you would get 2005 Carroll and not 2023. Everyone has an expiration date.

2023 Carroll led a meh Seahawks roster to a 9-8 record and Geno freakin' Smith made the Pro Bowl.

Geno Smith 2023: 20 TDs 9 INTs 92.1 QB rating 8-7 record

Geno Smith 2024: 21 TDs 15 INTs 93.2 QB rating 10-7 record

So...Geno had a slightly worse year in 2024? Ok.

[patryk7754]

Carrol shouldn't be judged because his last OC was bad. He's had numerous assistants either become head coaches or get a lot of interest to be a HC, on both offense and defense. And the coaches he had behind Waldron were great and went on to be really good Ocs and HCs.

He also called out Waldron during the season during a presser saying he needs to be better. Lastly, he was going to let go of Waldron at the end of they year had he held onto his job.

In addition to that, let's not act like Seattle's talent level said they should've been even better than Carroll made them. Geno Smith was considered a failed prospect by the time he got there. Russell Wilson clearly was propped up by Carroll. They had traded/let go or aged out vets.

Context matters.

Seattle OC:

Shane Walren would of been fired 2023

Brian Schottenheimer fired 2020

Darrell Bevell fired 2018

Jeremy Bates fired 2011

Context matters.

Bevel was there for 6/7 years and coached wilson during his best years and two SuperBowl appearances. Schottenhimer is a good offensive coach just didn't have success with a less than offensive roster and declining QB. Also, If I recall correctly, Schottenhimer was brought in for the "let russ cook" era that lasted like half a season until russ got hurt. And then Carroll wanted to go back to a more run centric offense.

Bevell was objectively really really good in Seattle and Schottenheimer was a heavily coveted offensive guy who didn't work out as an OC. Can't really hold that against Carroll.