Bulls Might Now Be More Likely To Trade Luol Deng

[TankJob]

They also had Dwight Howard, they were going for it, and it was an awful deal in retrospect. And the new CBA didn't kick in until the year after.

It was nothing like it. It happened in 2011./2012. season, Dwight was still in Orlando. And the CBA just kicked in few months before that.

[Pnjguy]

I don't understand how people say this when we just saw a trade for a worse player (who is also expiring) fetch a 2014 first round pick (Gortat) a month ago. We're talking about a 2 time all star, and you think there is no way we could get a late 1st rounder? All it takes is one GM worried about keeping his job. Let's just be honest, no one really knows.


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The Suns took back and extra $7 mil in salary in the deal with Okafor's expiring, they could do that because they were way under the cap, the Bulls can't do that because they're over.

But the Bulls can take crap players that the other team doesn't want.

Not in excess salary of what Deng makes, and not guaranteed money after this year.

[DaBurg]

What we really need for next year is a SG that can shoot the 3 and handle the ball and create his own shot.. I fully expect Noah to be at C, Mirotic/Gibson at the 4 and Butler at the 3 and Rose will be back at the 1

[Proven_Winner]

The Suns took back and extra $7 mil in salary in the deal with Okafor's expiring, they could do that because they were way under the cap, the Bulls can't do that because they're over.

But the Bulls can take crap players that the other team doesn't want.

Not in excess salary of what Deng makes, and not guaranteed money after this year.

I know that part but taking back garbage players are enticing to some teams. For example i bet the Raps would love to get rid of landry fields and his bad contract or Utah and andris beidrins.

[Mapelgleaf]

No, the Bulls can't realistically keep Deng and be under the cap - there's this season to think about (and the repeater tax).

For next season, with Boozer still on the books, but Deng and Kirk off, the Bulls are already at over 64 million. That means that even with an amnesty of Boozer's 16 million next offseason, there would effectively have to be Deng + no substantial replacements for both Boozer and Kirk to stay under, unless Deng took a DEEP discount - which he has signaled he won't do.

And even that would leave the Bulls with a non-contending team.

How deep? I know we are splitting hairs here - heck I am not even that hot to keep him - but something in my gut says Deng takes a discounted deal as long as it not completely insulting. I could be dead wrong, but the two factors on our side is 1) rooted in Chicago 2) shot a championship with a team he helped built

It's just a twist that most of us are discounting and could be a bigger factor.

[Pnjguy]

They also had Dwight Howard, they were going for it, and it was an awful deal in retrospect. And the new CBA didn't kick in until the year after.

It was nothing like it. It happened in 2011./2012. season, Dwight was still in Orlando. And the CBA just kicked in few months before that.

The vastly more onerous luxury-tax provisions didn't kick in until THIS year. I looked over the Sessions deal. Sessions was 25, cheap, and was expected to sign an offer sheet of $4 mil. Deng is 29, a lot of miles, expensive, and will probably get more expensive next year. Sessions didn't sign the offer sheet and signed with the Bucks that offseason. You're going to tell me that worked out for the Lakers? Or the Lakers are willing to do the same to Deng?

[MGB8]

No, the Bulls can't realistically keep Deng and be under the cap - there's this season to think about (and the repeater tax).

For next season, with Boozer still on the books, but Deng and Kirk off, the Bulls are already at over 64 million. That means that even with an amnesty of Boozer's 16 million next offseason, there would effectively have to be Deng + no substantial replacements for both Boozer and Kirk to stay under, unless Deng took a DEEP discount - which he has signaled he won't do.

And even that would leave the Bulls with a non-contending team.

How deep? I know we are splitting hairs here - heck I am not even that hot to keep him - but something in my gut says Deng takes a discounted deal as long as it not completely insulting. I could be dead wrong, but the two factors on our side is 1) rooted in Chicago 2) shot a championship with a team he helped built

It's just a twist that most of us are discounting and could be a bigger factor.

The cap this year is at about 59 million. I have seen projections for next season at 62. So you would need to replace Boozer's salary with Deng + the MLE (Mirotic) + a decent Kirk replacement. That means that Deng would need to start at under 10, I think. And near 10 would still be over the cap, so not sure if that would even be doable given the various rules for MLE use.

[TankJob]

The vastly more onerous luxury-tax provisions didn't kick in until THIS year. I looked over the Sessions deal. Sessions was 25, cheap, and was expected to sign an offer sheet of $4 mil. Deng is 29, a lot of miles, expensive, and will probably get more expensive next year. Sessions didn't sign the offer sheet and signed with the Bucks that offseason. You're going to tell me that worked out for the Lakers? Or the Lakers are willing to do the same to Deng?

Lakers don't care about tax money, that's why they had not problems of giving Kobe that enormous extension and will have no problems of pairing him with at least another max player+Deng level player. They've cleared the books, won't get into the repeater tax because of the next season.

Deng is much, much, much, much, much better than Sessions, and yes, the Lakers would jump all over the chance of having him for a lousy first round pick and some expirings.

[JordansBulls]

To me it becomes more of who can we send Deng to help them beat Miami?

OKC?? SA??? Clippers?? Indiana??? Brooklyn??? Houston???

[Pnjguy]

The vastly more onerous luxury-tax provisions didn't kick in until THIS year. I looked over the Sessions deal. Sessions was 25, cheap, and was expected to sign an offer sheet of $4 mil. Deng is 29, a lot of miles, expensive, and will probably get more expensive next year. Sessions didn't sign the offer sheet and signed with the Bucks that offseason. You're going to tell me that worked out for the Lakers? Or the Lakers are willing to do the same to Deng?

Lakers don't care about tax money, that's why they had not problems of giving Kobe that enormous extension and will have no problems of pairing him with at least another max player+Deng level player. They've cleared the books, won't get into the repeater tax because of the next season.

Deng is much, much, much, much, much better than Sessions, and yes, the Lakers would jump all over the chance of having him for a lousy first round pick and some expirings.

If you think GM's, and Mitch Kupchik in particular thinks his 2014 first round pick is lousy, I question your NBA knowledge. And again, why give up an asset now if you can sign Deng outright in 6 months?

[xpmar9x]

Bulls get: OJ Mayo, Ekpe Udoh, and Peyton Siva
Bucks get: Josh Smith
Pistons get: Luol Deng

thoughts?

[Pnjguy]

But the Bulls can take crap players that the other team doesn't want.

Not in excess salary of what Deng makes, and not guaranteed money after this year.

I know that part but taking back garbage players are enticing to some teams. For example i bet the Raps would love to get rid of landry fields and his bad contract or Utah and andris beidrins.

Of course they would, but not at the expense of a first round pick, certainly not this year.

[Proven_Winner]

Not in excess salary of what Deng makes, and not guaranteed money after this year.

I know that part but taking back garbage players are enticing to some teams. For example i bet the Raps would love to get rid of landry fields and his bad contract or Utah and andris beidrins.

Of course they would, but not at the expense of a first round pick, certainly not this year.

Well not the Raps in particular but just teams like the Cavs who have done enough tanking and are looking to get into the playoffs no matter what. We've heard reports of them wanting Deng and they know they can't just throw us some garbage and get a all star. Im not so sure they care all that much about their pick this year. You might say why give something when you could sign him in FA but if you get him now you have a higher chance of keeping him because he would be adjusted to playing with that team and you have time to entice him to stay.

I just don't want the Bulls getting cheated. We have the tools to make a rebuild look like a retool. If we could just get one more 1st round pick this year for deng and the Bobcats play well then we would have 3 picks in the 11- 20 range of a deep draft. With the Bulls knack for drafting talent we would be definitely be grabbing a future all star or starter out of those 3. With Nikola coming over and having a core group of veterans with Derrick ,Jimmy, and Noah we could find ourselves back in contention sooner than most.

[Proven_Winner]

Bulls get: OJ Mayo, Ekpe Udoh, and Peyton Siva
Bucks get: Josh Smith
Pistons get: Luol Deng

thoughts?

How much does OJ mayo make?

[TankJob]

The vastly more onerous luxury-tax provisions didn't kick in until THIS year. I looked over the Sessions deal. Sessions was 25, cheap, and was expected to sign an offer sheet of $4 mil. Deng is 29, a lot of miles, expensive, and will probably get more expensive next year. Sessions didn't sign the offer sheet and signed with the Bucks that offseason. You're going to tell me that worked out for the Lakers? Or the Lakers are willing to do the same to Deng?

Lakers don't care about tax money, that's why they had not problems of giving Kobe that enormous extension and will have no problems of pairing him with at least another max player+Deng level player. They've cleared the books, won't get into the repeater tax because of the next season.

Deng is much, much, much, much, much better than Sessions, and yes, the Lakers would jump all over the chance of having him for a lousy first round pick and some expirings.

If you think GM's, and Mitch Kupchik in particular thinks his 2014 first round pick is lousy, I question your NBA knowledge. And again, why give up an asset now if you can sign Deng outright in 6 months?

Because that's how the Lakers roll(see Hill and Session-much WORSE players than Deng).

They want to fight for the championship, every season. You know why? They will never, ever be forced to rebuild, they'll always have to chance to sign big time free agents. There is reason why the Lakers played in that many NBA finals. Dont give a **** about draft picks and would take Deng in the blink of an eye.

[Pnjguy]

I know that part but taking back garbage players are enticing to some teams. For example i bet the Raps would love to get rid of landry fields and his bad contract or Utah and andris beidrins.

Of course they would, but not at the expense of a first round pick, certainly not this year.

Well not the Raps in particular but just teams like the Cavs who have done enough tanking and are looking to get into the playoffs no matter what. We've heard reports of them wanting Deng and they know they can't just throw us some garbage and get a all star. Im not so sure they care all that much about their pick this year. You might say why give something when you could sign him in FA but if you get him now you have a higher chance of keeping him because he would be adjusted to playing with that team and you have time to entice him to stay.

I just don't want the Bulls getting cheated. We have the tools to make a rebuild look like a retool. If we could just get one more 1st round pick this year for deng and the Bobcats play well then we would have 3 picks in the 11- 20 range of a deep draft. With the Bulls knack for drafting talent we would be definitely be grabbing a future all star or starter out of those 3. With Nikola coming over and having a core group of veterans with Derrick ,Jimmy, and Noah we could find ourselves back in contention sooner than most.

That's the dream scenario, but I just don't see any GM trading their 2014 first round pick for Deng. Hope i'm wrong, hope the Bulls actually doing it (I think they would jump at the chance if given) but I just don't see it happening.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Lakers don't care about tax money, that's why they had not problems of giving Kobe that enormous extension and will have no problems of pairing him with at least another max player+Deng level player. They've cleared the books, won't get into the repeater tax because of the next season.

Deng is much, much, much, much, much better than Sessions, and yes, the Lakers would jump all over the chance of having him for a lousy first round pick and some expirings.

If you think GM's, and Mitch Kupchik in particular thinks his 2014 first round pick is lousy, I question your NBA knowledge. And again, why give up an asset now if you can sign Deng outright in 6 months?

Because that's how the Lakers roll(see Hill and Session-much WORSE players than Deng).

They want to fight for the championship, every season. You know why? They never, ever will be forced to rebuild, they'll always have to chance to sign big time free agents. There is reason why the Lakers played in that many NBA finals. Dont give a **** about draft picks and would take Deng in the blink of an eye.

The Lakers can't trade their pick. As I said above, they traded their 2015 1st rounder to PHX, and the CBA says you can't trade 1st rounders in consecutive years.

And Brooklyn doesn't have a pick again until 2037 (or something like that).

http://www1.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

You'll have to scrounge up another trade partner.

[Proven_Winner]

Lakers don't care about tax money, that's why they had not problems of giving Kobe that enormous extension and will have no problems of pairing him with at least another max player+Deng level player. They've cleared the books, won't get into the repeater tax because of the next season.

Deng is much, much, much, much, much better than Sessions, and yes, the Lakers would jump all over the chance of having him for a lousy first round pick and some expirings.

If you think GM's, and Mitch Kupchik in particular thinks his 2014 first round pick is lousy, I question your NBA knowledge. And again, why give up an asset now if you can sign Deng outright in 6 months?

Because that's how the Lakers roll(see Hill and Session-much WORSE players than Deng).

They want to fight for the championship, every season. You know why? They never, ever will be forced to rebuild, they'll always have to chance to sign big time free agents. There is reason why the Lakers played in that many NBA finals. Dont give a **** about draft picks and would take Deng in the blink of an eye.

I think alot of it has to do with their fans. They hate not winning so the Lakers have to always show signs of winning so that the fans are satisfied. Like you said the Laker don't care about the draft. The proof is seen with Kobe and Kareem. Both are guys are the 2 best in Lakers history but the Lakers never drafted them.

[Pnjguy]

Lakers don't care about tax money, that's why they had not problems of giving Kobe that enormous extension and will have no problems of pairing him with at least another max player+Deng level player. They've cleared the books, won't get into the repeater tax because of the next season.

Deng is much, much, much, much, much better than Sessions, and yes, the Lakers would jump all over the chance of having him for a lousy first round pick and some expirings.

If you think GM's, and Mitch Kupchik in particular thinks his 2014 first round pick is lousy, I question your NBA knowledge. And again, why give up an asset now if you can sign Deng outright in 6 months?

Because that's how the Lakers roll(see Hill and Session-much WORSE players than Deng).

They want to fight for the championship, every season. You know why? They never, ever will be forced to rebuild, they'll always have to chance to sign big time free agents. There is reason why the Lakers played in that many NBA finals. Dont give a **** about draft picks and would take Deng in the blink of an eye.

Next problem, what salary will the Bulls be taking in return then?

[TankJob]

Yeah, can't get that pick from the Lakers or Nets but not because they wouldn't give one but because they don't have one.