PG: Raptors, Jimmy Butler is your FATHER!!!

[RedBulls23]

I thought for a second.. we had done it.. we had beaten our fathers..

You are not ready yet my son. Maybe soon, but last night wasn't the day.

[RebuildaBulls]

Id like to see Felicio and Taj sometimes, the defense would be very good against small lineups also.
Felicios quick feet has surprized alot of guards who have tried to take him on. My only thing on Felicio is he needs to look for his shot sometimes, he has range but never tries to shoot a jumper. He looks too much to pass it away from the basket

[Jvaughn]

8Fred seems like he's finally figuring it out

Figuring out to let Jimmy do what he wants??? I agree.

[Southpaw]

It's good to know that we still own the Raps

[RebuildaBulls]

8Fred seems like he's finally figuring it out

Figuring out to let Jimmy do what he wants??? I agree.

Thats not it really, Fred figured out he needs to give Jimmy more space so Jimmy can do what he wants more effectively

[YogurtProducer]

I thought for a second.. we had done it.. we had beaten our fathers..

You are not ready yet my son. Maybe soon, but last night wasn't the day.

How many times are we gonna kill you guys in the first half and then let Jimmy score 30+ in the second half?

Or Tony Snell

Or McBuckets

Or Mirotic

Or all of them

[Jvaughn]

8Fred seems like he's finally figuring it out

Figuring out to let Jimmy do what he wants??? I agree.

Thats not it really, Fred figured out he needs to give Jimmy more space so Jimmy can do what he wants more effectively

Are basing that theory off of just yesterday? Because people were saying Fred has figured it out a few games ago we he trotted MCW, Rondo, Wade, Jimmy, Taj out there to finish a game too.

[FriedRise]

How is everyone liking the Butler/Doug high screen?

Fred used it repeatedly down the stretch. He's been experimenting a lot this year with what guys are setting the picks up top, but McDermott offers obvious strengths to doing it, if he sets a good one, really forces the opponent into a tough situation. Either Jimmy gets a mismatch, or they have to leave a great shooter wide open.

I do think Doug has to do better in getting his feet and form set for a quick shot, he still sometimes isn't in the best rhythm to shoot, but he's growing.

I did notice that, but then again in that Cavs game it was MCW that Fred used repeatedly to set the high screen for Butler. I think it's more about who the other team is trying to hide defensively that Fred is actively trying to create the mismatch and exploit. He's trying to get their weakest defender on the floor to guard Butler moreso than using anyone specifically on our side. In the last two games, Fred's scheme resulted in a 4" Felder guarding Jimmy, and then of course Lowry last night.

[vxmike]

Fred needs to start Niko for spacing. Taj needs to get his mojo back against 2nd units.

Gar needs to find a vet PG that can hit a 3 and play some D.

Either Doug or Niko needs to start. Opponents are just packing the paint. Jimmy needs to play with shooters--it opens up his game so much.

Jimmy/Wade/MCW need to play the vast majority of the guard minutes. Grant just doesn't bring enough in any one area to play 20+ mpg right now. Doug and Niko need to be playing and shooting.

[Chi town]

Fred needs to start Niko for spacing. Taj needs to get his mojo back against 2nd units.

Gar needs to find a vet PG that can hit a 3 and play some D.

Either Doug or Niko needs to start. Opponents are just packing the paint. Jimmy needs to play with shooters--it opens up his game so much.

Jimmy/Wade/MCW need to play the vast majority of the guard minutes. Grant just doesn't bring enough in any one area to play 20+ mpg right now. Doug and Niko need to be playing and shooting.

I wouldn't even play grant. I'd play val for his 3 ball. If he not hitting play without a PG and give Dougie more burn

[kyrv]

We're 8-2 with MCW. Hopefully that trend continues.

As long as Canaan, Portis, and Rondo stay out of the games, Fred keeps using the bench as a weapon, chance they can stay above .500.

It is a risky thing to have such little depth. The Bulls are in big trouble if there are injuries to any of the guys who played yesterday.

I agree, though several people want Lopez traded for nothing as that will improve the team.

[vxmike]

Fred needs to start Niko for spacing. Taj needs to get his mojo back against 2nd units.

Gar needs to find a vet PG that can hit a 3 and play some D.

Either Doug or Niko needs to start. Opponents are just packing the paint. Jimmy needs to play with shooters--it opens up his game so much.

Jimmy/Wade/MCW need to play the vast majority of the guard minutes. Grant just doesn't bring enough in any one area to play 20+ mpg right now. Doug and Niko need to be playing and shooting.

I wouldn't even play grant. I'd play val for his 3 ball. If he not hitting play without a PG and give Dougie more burn

Agree on Val but his D and athleticism are bad. Here's the way I see the roster:

1) This roster and Jimmy need shooters. Doug and Niko are the only potential consistent threats who can be rotational NBA players. They both need to be playing 25-32mpg ideally together the least possible.

2) Outside of MCW there is no PG worthy of rotational time.

3) Jimmy is more effective at SG where he bullies opponents. Against big SFs his strength advantage declines and he isn't long enough against many.

Get Jimmy/Wade/MCW splitting all the guard time and open minutes for Doug and Niko. This means the team needs a combo forward who can play PF or SF and hide Niko or Doug defensively.

Wilson Chandler is perfect. He can play either forward spot, is athletic and can hit a three too. Give the Nuggets a 1st plus Rondos salary to match. This would give the roster a ton more flexibility and let them trade Niko too if they don't plan to commit big money next year.

Lopez
Niko
Chandler
Wade
Jimmy

Taj
Chandler
Doug
Wade
Jimmy

Both of these lineups are much better than the current starters in terms of fit. Sub out Wade at the 6 minute mark for MCW so Jimmy doesn't burn out guarding PGs too much.

[Rerisen]

How is everyone liking the Butler/Doug high screen?

Fred used it repeatedly down the stretch. He's been experimenting a lot this year with what guys are setting the picks up top, but McDermott offers obvious strengths to doing it, if he sets a good one, really forces the opponent into a tough situation. Either Jimmy gets a mismatch, or they have to leave a great shooter wide open.

I do think Doug has to do better in getting his feet and form set for a quick shot, he still sometimes isn't in the best rhythm to shoot, but he's growing.

I did notice that, but then again in that Cavs game it was MCW that Fred used repeatedly to set the high screen for Butler. I think it's more about who the other team is trying to hide defensively that Fred is actively trying to create the mismatch and exploit. He's trying to get their weakest defender on the floor to guard Butler moreso than using anyone specifically on our side. In the last two games, Fred's scheme resulted in a 4" Felder guarding Jimmy, and then of course Lowry last night.

If I'm another team and they are screening with MCW, I think I just double Jimmy to get the ball out of his hands. We'll see how Fred and our opponents choose to play this going forward.

[Chi town]

How is everyone liking the Butler/Doug high screen?

Fred used it repeatedly down the stretch. He's been experimenting a lot this year with what guys are setting the picks up top, but McDermott offers obvious strengths to doing it, if he sets a good one, really forces the opponent into a tough situation. Either Jimmy gets a mismatch, or they have to leave a great shooter wide open.

I do think Doug has to do better in getting his feet and form set for a quick shot, he still sometimes isn't in the best rhythm to shoot, but he's growing.

I did notice that, but then again in that Cavs game it was MCW that Fred used repeatedly to set the high screen for Butler. I think it's more about who the other team is trying to hide defensively that Fred is actively trying to create the mismatch and exploit. He's trying to get their weakest defender on the floor to guard Butler moreso than using anyone specifically on our side. In the last two games, Fred's scheme resulted in a 4" Felder guarding Jimmy, and then of course Lowry last night.

If I'm another team and they are screening with MCW, I think I just double Jimmy to get the ball out of his hands. We'll see how Fred and our opponents choose to play this going forward.

I think we will see a lot more Dougie Jimmy PnR.

Fred also needs to take advantage of post up mismatches w Wade and Dougie.

[Chi town]

Either Doug or Niko needs to start. Opponents are just packing the paint. Jimmy needs to play with shooters--it opens up his game so much.

Jimmy/Wade/MCW need to play the vast majority of the guard minutes. Grant just doesn't bring enough in any one area to play 20+ mpg right now. Doug and Niko need to be playing and shooting.

I wouldn't even play grant. I'd play val for his 3 ball. If he not hitting play without a PG and give Dougie more burn

Agree on Val but his D and athleticism are bad. Here's the way I see the roster:

1) This roster and Jimmy need shooters. Doug and Niko are the only potential consistent threats who can be rotational NBA players. They both need to be playing 25-32mpg ideally together the least possible.

2) Outside of MCW there is no PG worthy of rotational time.

3) Jimmy is more effective at SG where he bullies opponents. Against big SFs his strength advantage declines and he isn't long enough against many.

Get Jimmy/Wade/MCW splitting all the guard time and open minutes for Doug and Niko. This means the team needs a combo forward who can play PF or SF and hide Niko or Doug defensively.

Wilson Chandler is perfect. He can play either forward spot, is athletic and can hit a three too. Give the Nuggets a 1st plus Rondos salary to match. This would give the roster a ton more flexibility and let them trade Niko too if they don't plan to commit big money next year.

Lopez
Niko
Chandler
Wade
Jimmy

Taj
Chandler
Doug
Wade
Jimmy

Both of these lineups are much better than the current starters in terms of fit. Sub out Wade at the 6 minute mark for MCW so Jimmy doesn't burn out guarding PGs too much.

I like your thinking but IMO we need a PG shooter and another small ball shooter.

Lou Williams should be the shooter PG. Portis and Grant for him.

Small Ball 4... Chandler is ok. He's not very efficient. His D isn't a plus either. He's kinda average. I think Illyasova would be a good bench 4. I like OG in the draft as he's a low usage 3D PF. Perfect fit.

[Ice Man]

Lou Williams should be the shooter PG. Portis and Grant for him.

Bad trade for the Lakers. The dirty little secret for the Lakers are that their kids ain't no damn good. Not yet, at least. The main reason they are staying afloat is Lou Williams. Now, there's a strong argument that the Lakers should quit trying to be any good and just tank again this year. In which case they should trade Lou ... but not for go-nowhere players like Portis & Grant, instead for a real prospect and/or draft picks.

[Chi town]

Lou Williams should be the shooter PG. Portis and Grant for him.

Bad trade for the Lakers. The dirty little secret for the Lakers are that their kids ain't no damn good. Not yet, at least. The main reason they are staying afloat is Lou Williams. Now, there's a strong argument that the Lakers should quit trying to be any good and just tank again this year. In which case they should trade Lou ... but not for go-nowhere players like Portis & Grant, instead for a real prospect and/or draft picks.

Lou has come back down to earth. He has one more year at 7M. Portis and Grant are 2nd Year 1st round picks. Lou isn't worth Val or a future first unless its top 20 protected.

[Ice Man]

Portis and Grant are 2nd Year 1st round picks. Lou isn't worth Val or a future first unless its top 20 protected.

I would trade the three of them plus a Top 20 protected pick to get Lou. I've been here before. I remember when per this board Doug/Niko were too good to be traded (for Kevin Love).

Early Rose was too good to be traded, as was Butler (although we didn't know it). All the rest, not a problem. We can replace that level of talent with summer signings.

[Chi town]

Portis and Grant are 2nd Year 1st round picks. Lou isn't worth Val or a future first unless its top 20 protected.

I would trade the three of them plus a Top 20 protected pick to get Lou. I've been here before. I remember when per this board Doug/Niko were too good to be traded (for Kevin Love).

Early Rose was too good to be traded, as was Butler (although we didn't know it). All the rest, not a problem. We can replace that level of talent with summer signings.

You could get Lou Williams for Val alone.

I'd rather trade Val for younger piece w more upside like Noel.

[Ice Man]

I'd rather trade Val for younger piece w more upside like Noel.

We can dream. But sure, yeah, of course.