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Post#381 » by kulaz3000 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 6:37 am

Bulls Fan 23 wrote:I would sign Elfrid Payton


If we're going to sign a point guard who can't shoot, I'd prefer the Bulls bring back Rondo.
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Post#382 » by johnnyvann840 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 6:38 am

superdave wrote:Wait. Did the Knicks just sign Julius Randle, Bobby Portis, Taj Gibson and Reggie Bullock?

Life is a comedy my friends


I like the Portis, Randle and Taj signings for them. They needed some vet bigs. Randle is good. Taj will provide some toughness and leadership. Bullock as a bench 2/3 is questionable at $10M per, but he can shoot and the Knicks need to get to the salary floor. The Portis and Bullock and Gibson deals were all short term two year deals. They still have like $20M to spend.

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Bullock is the only guy on that roster I really don't like and he can at least shoot the 3. Career .392.
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Post#383 » by PrimzyBulls81 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 6:38 am

Knicks sign up Reggie Bullock, 2yrs ,10.5M per season..

They are adding bunch of vets to play with kids, but 3 PF (Randle,Gibson,Portis) are still very weird lol,
were they without PF totally,no one left?
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Post#384 » by Bulls Fan 23 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 6:40 am

kulaz3000 wrote:
Bulls Fan 23 wrote:I would sign Elfrid Payton


If we're going to sign a point guard who can't shoot, I'd prefer the Bulls bring back Rondo.


I would love Rondo back, but it looks like LA wants him too
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Post#385 » by johnnyvann840 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 6:41 am

PrimzyBulls81 wrote:Knicks sign up Reggie Bullock, 2yrs ,10.5M per season..

They are adding bunch of vets to play with kids, but 3 PF (Randle,Gibson,Portis) are still very weird lol,
were they without PF totally,no one left?


They were without a PF.
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Post#386 » by johnnyvann840 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 6:45 am

Butler to Miami is off. Apparently "hit a snag with the Dallas portion" according to WT. I wonder what happens with him. Knicks should have went hard after Jimmy.
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Post#387 » by kulaz3000 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 6:48 am

johnnyvann840 wrote:Butler to Miami is off. Apparently "hit a snag with the Dallas portion" according to WT. I wonder what happens with him. Knicks should have went hard after Jimmy.


The deal is going to happen. The Heat just need to find a taker for Dragic, which they eventually will, even if it means sending out a first round pick along with Dragic for a team to bite.
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Post#388 » by johnnyvann840 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 6:50 am

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johnnyvann840 wrote:Butler to Miami is off. Apparently "hit a snag with the Dallas portion" according to WT. I wonder what happens with him. Knicks should have went hard after Jimmy.


The deal is going to happen. The Heat just need to find a taker for Dragic, which they eventually will, even if it means sending out a first round pick along with Dragic for a team to bite.


I hope it goes through. I want Philly to suck and without Jimmy they are going to be really mediocre. I mean they were a net negative with him off the floor last season.
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Post#389 » by kulaz3000 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 6:58 am

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johnnyvann840 wrote:Butler to Miami is off. Apparently "hit a snag with the Dallas portion" according to WT. I wonder what happens with him. Knicks should have went hard after Jimmy.


The deal is going to happen. The Heat just need to find a taker for Dragic, which they eventually will, even if it means sending out a first round pick along with Dragic for a team to bite.


I hope it goes through. I want Philly to suck and without Jimmy they are going to be really mediocre. I mean they were a net negative with him off the floor last season.


They are still going to be a top 4 team in the East, but losing Butler and Redick is going to be huge for them.

I don't think they are a championship contending team anymore, and they are likely to be a 2nd round team at best.
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Post#390 » by R3AL1TY » Mon Jul 1, 2019 7:06 am

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Post#391 » by johnnyvann840 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 7:06 am

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johnnyvann840 wrote:
kulaz3000 wrote:
The deal is going to happen. The Heat just need to find a taker for Dragic, which they eventually will, even if it means sending out a first round pick along with Dragic for a team to bite.


I hope it goes through. I want Philly to suck and without Jimmy they are going to be really mediocre. I mean they were a net negative with him off the floor last season.


They are still going to be a top 4 team in the East, but losing Butler and Redick is going to be huge for them.

I don't think they are a championship contending team anymore, and they are likely to be a 2nd round team at best.


I could see them falling out of the top 4. Be close. If Kawhi stays put then Toronto, Milwaukee, Indy, BKN, Boston, maybe even Miami with Jimmy could be better. They would just have to be better than at least three of those six teams.
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Post#392 » by DanTown8587 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 7:07 am

kulaz3000 wrote:
johnnyvann840 wrote:
kulaz3000 wrote:
The deal is going to happen. The Heat just need to find a taker for Dragic, which they eventually will, even if it means sending out a first round pick along with Dragic for a team to bite.


I hope it goes through. I want Philly to suck and without Jimmy they are going to be really mediocre. I mean they were a net negative with him off the floor last season.


They are still going to be a top 4 team in the East, but losing Butler and Redick is going to be huge for them.

I don't think they are a championship contending team anymore, and they are likely to be a 2nd round team at best.


Not sure I agree with Philly getting worse, the swap of Butler+Reddick for Richardson+Horford gives them better shooting actually in terms of only having one non-shooter and solves the "what to do with Simmons" problem as this makes him their PG and keeps the ball in his hands (which is when he's better) rather than having Jimmy take it (where Jimmy is better but Simmons is not helpful). Makes them uniquely large and really will force teams to have to guard Embiid for a lot of minutes with spacing and smart players around him.

Additionally, they really make Boston worse by taking Horford from them and gives them a legitimate replacement to keep Embiid rested not only during the season but in the playoffs as well.

Philly was a staggering +90 in Embiid's minutes in the Toronto series but a -109 when he didn't. The series hinged on games 4,7 (both Raptors wins)

Game 4: +17 in 35 minutes, -22 in 13 minutes
Game 7: +10 in 45 minutes, -12 in 3 minutes

You could also throw game 6 (+40 in 35 minutes, -29 in 13 minutes) in there if the Sixers hadn't held on.
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Post#393 » by johnnyvann840 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 7:11 am

R3AL1TY wrote:Trust the regress


The "tanking era" in the NBA could go down as the biggest epic fail in sports strategy history. Every tanker has struggled to ever get back to winning ways. Most tanking teams are still bottom dwellers. Philly was the last hope. Out of the Final 8 teams in the playoffs this season, they were the only one built on a tank. Good, I say. Death to all tanking teams.
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Post#394 » by johnnyvann840 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 7:14 am

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kulaz3000 wrote:
johnnyvann840 wrote:
I hope it goes through. I want Philly to suck and without Jimmy they are going to be really mediocre. I mean they were a net negative with him off the floor last season.


They are still going to be a top 4 team in the East, but losing Butler and Redick is going to be huge for them.

I don't think they are a championship contending team anymore, and they are likely to be a 2nd round team at best.


Not sure I agree with Philly getting worse, the swap of Butler+Reddick for Richardson+Horford gives them better shooting actually in terms of only having one non-shooter and solves the "what to do with Simmons" problem as this makes him their PG and keeps the ball in his hands (which is when he's better) rather than having Jimmy take it (where Jimmy is better but Simmons is not helpful). Makes them uniquely large and really will force teams to have to guard Embiid for a lot of minutes with spacing and smart players around him.

Additionally, they really make Boston worse by taking Horford from them and gives them a legitimate replacement to keep Embiid rested not only during the season but in the playoffs as well.

Philly was a staggering +90 in Embiid's minutes in the Toronto series but a -109 when he didn't. The series hinged on games 4,7 (both Raptors wins)

Game 4: +17 in 35 minutes, -22 in 13 minutes
Game 7: +10 in 45 minutes, -12 in 3 minutes

You could also throw game 6 (+40 in 35 minutes, -29 in 13 minutes) in there if the Sixers hadn't held on.


Keep in mind, on the season this year they were negative in point differential without Butler on the floor. Even if they don't get worse, a lot of other EC teams got better.

Also, it still remains to be seen if Embiid can even stay on the floor, healthy, for any significant stretch of time.
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Post#395 » by logical_art » Mon Jul 1, 2019 7:20 am

I'd like to see the Bulls throw their 10 mil at Satoransky and see if Washington will match. I think he's probably the most talented player the Bulls could get with that money and would give them another creator which they need even though he's probably not a pure PG. He'd also probably end up being a really nice 3rd guard if Coby takes over.
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Post#396 » by DanTown8587 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 7:23 am

johnnyvann840 wrote:
DanTown8587 wrote:
kulaz3000 wrote:
They are still going to be a top 4 team in the East, but losing Butler and Redick is going to be huge for them.

I don't think they are a championship contending team anymore, and they are likely to be a 2nd round team at best.


Not sure I agree with Philly getting worse, the swap of Butler+Reddick for Richardson+Horford gives them better shooting actually in terms of only having one non-shooter and solves the "what to do with Simmons" problem as this makes him their PG and keeps the ball in his hands (which is when he's better) rather than having Jimmy take it (where Jimmy is better but Simmons is not helpful). Makes them uniquely large and really will force teams to have to guard Embiid for a lot of minutes with spacing and smart players around him.

Additionally, they really make Boston worse by taking Horford from them and gives them a legitimate replacement to keep Embiid rested not only during the season but in the playoffs as well.

Philly was a staggering +90 in Embiid's minutes in the Toronto series but a -109 when he didn't. The series hinged on games 4,7 (both Raptors wins)

Game 4: +17 in 35 minutes, -22 in 13 minutes
Game 7: +10 in 45 minutes, -12 in 3 minutes

You could also throw game 6 (+40 in 35 minutes, -29 in 13 minutes) in there if the Sixers hadn't held on.


Keep in mind, on the season this year they were negative in point differential without Butler on the floor. Even if they don't get worse, a lot of other EC teams got better.

Also, it still remains to be seen if Embiid can even stay on the floor, healthy, for any significant stretch of time.


That's not true, they were even without Butler.

Even still, they were better with Embiid (+7.5) than with Butler (+6.3) and worse without Embiid (-2.5) than without Butler (+0.1) and in the playoffs, they were +20.4 in the Embiid minutes and +10.4 in the Jimmy minutes.

It's clear as day watching the Sixers that they run everything through Embiid, which they should do. Jimmy takes them away from that because he wants to isolate and he's not a great shooter so teams are more willing to help off him and when Jimmy has the ball, Simmons doesn't and Simmons is simply not effective off ball.

This trade likely makes them better just for those reasons alone, not even accounting for the vastly improved defense they'll get going from Reddick to Richardson and adding Horford. They're also legitimately massive in a time when teams are playing smaller. They are my first guess to win the conference in the playoffs if Kawhi goes West. Milwaukee or other teams with more depth might have better regular seasons but I just trust the Sixers top 5 as the best five-man lineup in the league.
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Post#397 » by Peelboy » Mon Jul 1, 2019 7:25 am

johnnyvann840 wrote:
kulaz3000 wrote:
johnnyvann840 wrote:
I hope it goes through. I want Philly to suck and without Jimmy they are going to be really mediocre. I mean they were a net negative with him off the floor last season.


They are still going to be a top 4 team in the East, but losing Butler and Redick is going to be huge for them.

I don't think they are a championship contending team anymore, and they are likely to be a 2nd round team at best.


I could see them falling out of the top 4. Be close. If Kawhi stays put then Toronto, Milwaukee, Indy, BKN, Boston, maybe even Miami with Jimmy could be better. They would just have to be better than at least three of those six teams.

Miami with Butler, Whiteside, and…...is gonna be a crapfest along the lines of the Butler Bulls. No chance they overtake Philly without some kind of serious other inmprovements.
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Post#398 » by johnnyvann840 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 7:27 am

DanTown8587 wrote:
johnnyvann840 wrote:
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Not sure I agree with Philly getting worse, the swap of Butler+Reddick for Richardson+Horford gives them better shooting actually in terms of only having one non-shooter and solves the "what to do with Simmons" problem as this makes him their PG and keeps the ball in his hands (which is when he's better) rather than having Jimmy take it (where Jimmy is better but Simmons is not helpful). Makes them uniquely large and really will force teams to have to guard Embiid for a lot of minutes with spacing and smart players around him.

Additionally, they really make Boston worse by taking Horford from them and gives them a legitimate replacement to keep Embiid rested not only during the season but in the playoffs as well.

Philly was a staggering +90 in Embiid's minutes in the Toronto series but a -109 when he didn't. The series hinged on games 4,7 (both Raptors wins)

Game 4: +17 in 35 minutes, -22 in 13 minutes
Game 7: +10 in 45 minutes, -12 in 3 minutes

You could also throw game 6 (+40 in 35 minutes, -29 in 13 minutes) in there if the Sixers hadn't held on.


Keep in mind, on the season this year they were negative in point differential without Butler on the floor. Even if they don't get worse, a lot of other EC teams got better.

Also, it still remains to be seen if Embiid can even stay on the floor, healthy, for any significant stretch of time.


That's not true, they were even without Butler.

Even still, they were better with Embiid (+7.5) than with Butler (+6.3) and worse without Embiid (-2.5) than without Butler (+0.1) and in the playoffs, they were +20.4 in the Embiid minutes and +10.4 in the Jimmy minutes.


They were slightly negative according to 82 games. Virtually even... they were -1 point in 2097 minutes. +222 with Jimmy.
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Post#399 » by R3AL1TY » Mon Jul 1, 2019 7:33 am

johnnyvann840 wrote:
R3AL1TY wrote:Trust the regress


The "tanking era" in the NBA could go down as the biggest epic fail in sports strategy history. Every tanker has struggled to ever get back to winning ways. Most tanking teams are still bottom dwellers. Philly was the last hope. Out of the Final 8 teams in the playoffs this season, they were the only one built on a tank. Good, I say. Death to all tanking teams.

It will be interesting how the balls fall for the next lotto. If it favors some of the teams with the worst records again, this bad habit of tanking may not be over yet.

But yeah, for the most part it seems like the teams viewed as the middle of the pack like Toronto and the Bucks or basketball hell like the Nets, Jazz, and Magic are making great strides or doing fine without tanking.
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Post#400 » by johnnyvann840 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 7:40 am

R3AL1TY wrote:
johnnyvann840 wrote:
R3AL1TY wrote:Trust the regress


The "tanking era" in the NBA could go down as the biggest epic fail in sports strategy history. Every tanker has struggled to ever get back to winning ways. Most tanking teams are still bottom dwellers. Philly was the last hope. Out of the Final 8 teams in the playoffs this season, they were the only one built on a tank. Good, I say. Death to all tanking teams.

It will be interesting how the balls fall for the next lotto. If it favors some of the teams with the worst records again, this bad habit of tanking may not be over yet.

But yeah, for the most part it seems like the teams viewed as the middle of the pack like Toronto or basketball hell like the Nets, Jazz, and Magic are making great strides or doing fine.


TOR, GSW, MIL, DEN, POR, HOU never tanked and they made up the bulk of the deep playoff teams this season. Hell, Toronto won a title without a lottery pick on the roster. MIL won more games than any team and they were also without a lottery pick and had a #15 win the MVP and two 2nd rounders in Middleton and Brogdon, as key players. Another #15 pick won Finals MVP and the three next best players on the Raps were a #27 (Siakam) and then three 2nd rounders in Gasol, Lowry and FVV.
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