Bulls Fan 23 wrote:I would sign Elfrid Payton
If we're going to sign a point guard who can't shoot, I'd prefer the Bulls bring back Rondo.
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Bulls Fan 23 wrote:I would sign Elfrid Payton
superdave wrote:Wait. Did the Knicks just sign Julius Randle, Bobby Portis, Taj Gibson and Reggie Bullock?
Life is a comedy my friends
kulaz3000 wrote:Bulls Fan 23 wrote:I would sign Elfrid Payton
If we're going to sign a point guard who can't shoot, I'd prefer the Bulls bring back Rondo.
PrimzyBulls81 wrote:Knicks sign up Reggie Bullock, 2yrs ,10.5M per season..
They are adding bunch of vets to play with kids, but 3 PF (Randle,Gibson,Portis) are still very weird lol,
were they without PF totally,no one left?

johnnyvann840 wrote:Butler to Miami is off. Apparently "hit a snag with the Dallas portion" according to WT. I wonder what happens with him. Knicks should have went hard after Jimmy.
kulaz3000 wrote:johnnyvann840 wrote:Butler to Miami is off. Apparently "hit a snag with the Dallas portion" according to WT. I wonder what happens with him. Knicks should have went hard after Jimmy.
The deal is going to happen. The Heat just need to find a taker for Dragic, which they eventually will, even if it means sending out a first round pick along with Dragic for a team to bite.

johnnyvann840 wrote:kulaz3000 wrote:johnnyvann840 wrote:Butler to Miami is off. Apparently "hit a snag with the Dallas portion" according to WT. I wonder what happens with him. Knicks should have went hard after Jimmy.
The deal is going to happen. The Heat just need to find a taker for Dragic, which they eventually will, even if it means sending out a first round pick along with Dragic for a team to bite.
I hope it goes through. I want Philly to suck and without Jimmy they are going to be really mediocre. I mean they were a net negative with him off the floor last season.
kulaz3000 wrote:johnnyvann840 wrote:kulaz3000 wrote:
The deal is going to happen. The Heat just need to find a taker for Dragic, which they eventually will, even if it means sending out a first round pick along with Dragic for a team to bite.
I hope it goes through. I want Philly to suck and without Jimmy they are going to be really mediocre. I mean they were a net negative with him off the floor last season.
They are still going to be a top 4 team in the East, but losing Butler and Redick is going to be huge for them.
I don't think they are a championship contending team anymore, and they are likely to be a 2nd round team at best.
kulaz3000 wrote:johnnyvann840 wrote:kulaz3000 wrote:
The deal is going to happen. The Heat just need to find a taker for Dragic, which they eventually will, even if it means sending out a first round pick along with Dragic for a team to bite.
I hope it goes through. I want Philly to suck and without Jimmy they are going to be really mediocre. I mean they were a net negative with him off the floor last season.
They are still going to be a top 4 team in the East, but losing Butler and Redick is going to be huge for them.
I don't think they are a championship contending team anymore, and they are likely to be a 2nd round team at best.
R3AL1TY wrote:Trust the regress
DanTown8587 wrote:kulaz3000 wrote:johnnyvann840 wrote:
I hope it goes through. I want Philly to suck and without Jimmy they are going to be really mediocre. I mean they were a net negative with him off the floor last season.
They are still going to be a top 4 team in the East, but losing Butler and Redick is going to be huge for them.
I don't think they are a championship contending team anymore, and they are likely to be a 2nd round team at best.
Not sure I agree with Philly getting worse, the swap of Butler+Reddick for Richardson+Horford gives them better shooting actually in terms of only having one non-shooter and solves the "what to do with Simmons" problem as this makes him their PG and keeps the ball in his hands (which is when he's better) rather than having Jimmy take it (where Jimmy is better but Simmons is not helpful). Makes them uniquely large and really will force teams to have to guard Embiid for a lot of minutes with spacing and smart players around him.
Additionally, they really make Boston worse by taking Horford from them and gives them a legitimate replacement to keep Embiid rested not only during the season but in the playoffs as well.
Philly was a staggering +90 in Embiid's minutes in the Toronto series but a -109 when he didn't. The series hinged on games 4,7 (both Raptors wins)
Game 4: +17 in 35 minutes, -22 in 13 minutes
Game 7: +10 in 45 minutes, -12 in 3 minutes
You could also throw game 6 (+40 in 35 minutes, -29 in 13 minutes) in there if the Sixers hadn't held on.
johnnyvann840 wrote:DanTown8587 wrote:kulaz3000 wrote:
They are still going to be a top 4 team in the East, but losing Butler and Redick is going to be huge for them.
I don't think they are a championship contending team anymore, and they are likely to be a 2nd round team at best.
Not sure I agree with Philly getting worse, the swap of Butler+Reddick for Richardson+Horford gives them better shooting actually in terms of only having one non-shooter and solves the "what to do with Simmons" problem as this makes him their PG and keeps the ball in his hands (which is when he's better) rather than having Jimmy take it (where Jimmy is better but Simmons is not helpful). Makes them uniquely large and really will force teams to have to guard Embiid for a lot of minutes with spacing and smart players around him.
Additionally, they really make Boston worse by taking Horford from them and gives them a legitimate replacement to keep Embiid rested not only during the season but in the playoffs as well.
Philly was a staggering +90 in Embiid's minutes in the Toronto series but a -109 when he didn't. The series hinged on games 4,7 (both Raptors wins)
Game 4: +17 in 35 minutes, -22 in 13 minutes
Game 7: +10 in 45 minutes, -12 in 3 minutes
You could also throw game 6 (+40 in 35 minutes, -29 in 13 minutes) in there if the Sixers hadn't held on.
Keep in mind, on the season this year they were negative in point differential without Butler on the floor. Even if they don't get worse, a lot of other EC teams got better.
Also, it still remains to be seen if Embiid can even stay on the floor, healthy, for any significant stretch of time.
johnnyvann840 wrote:kulaz3000 wrote:johnnyvann840 wrote:
I hope it goes through. I want Philly to suck and without Jimmy they are going to be really mediocre. I mean they were a net negative with him off the floor last season.
They are still going to be a top 4 team in the East, but losing Butler and Redick is going to be huge for them.
I don't think they are a championship contending team anymore, and they are likely to be a 2nd round team at best.
I could see them falling out of the top 4. Be close. If Kawhi stays put then Toronto, Milwaukee, Indy, BKN, Boston, maybe even Miami with Jimmy could be better. They would just have to be better than at least three of those six teams.
DanTown8587 wrote:johnnyvann840 wrote:DanTown8587 wrote:
Not sure I agree with Philly getting worse, the swap of Butler+Reddick for Richardson+Horford gives them better shooting actually in terms of only having one non-shooter and solves the "what to do with Simmons" problem as this makes him their PG and keeps the ball in his hands (which is when he's better) rather than having Jimmy take it (where Jimmy is better but Simmons is not helpful). Makes them uniquely large and really will force teams to have to guard Embiid for a lot of minutes with spacing and smart players around him.
Additionally, they really make Boston worse by taking Horford from them and gives them a legitimate replacement to keep Embiid rested not only during the season but in the playoffs as well.
Philly was a staggering +90 in Embiid's minutes in the Toronto series but a -109 when he didn't. The series hinged on games 4,7 (both Raptors wins)
Game 4: +17 in 35 minutes, -22 in 13 minutes
Game 7: +10 in 45 minutes, -12 in 3 minutes
You could also throw game 6 (+40 in 35 minutes, -29 in 13 minutes) in there if the Sixers hadn't held on.
Keep in mind, on the season this year they were negative in point differential without Butler on the floor. Even if they don't get worse, a lot of other EC teams got better.
Also, it still remains to be seen if Embiid can even stay on the floor, healthy, for any significant stretch of time.
That's not true, they were even without Butler.
Even still, they were better with Embiid (+7.5) than with Butler (+6.3) and worse without Embiid (-2.5) than without Butler (+0.1) and in the playoffs, they were +20.4 in the Embiid minutes and +10.4 in the Jimmy minutes.
johnnyvann840 wrote:R3AL1TY wrote:Trust the regress
The "tanking era" in the NBA could go down as the biggest epic fail in sports strategy history. Every tanker has struggled to ever get back to winning ways. Most tanking teams are still bottom dwellers. Philly was the last hope. Out of the Final 8 teams in the playoffs this season, they were the only one built on a tank. Good, I say. Death to all tanking teams.
R3AL1TY wrote:johnnyvann840 wrote:R3AL1TY wrote:Trust the regress
The "tanking era" in the NBA could go down as the biggest epic fail in sports strategy history. Every tanker has struggled to ever get back to winning ways. Most tanking teams are still bottom dwellers. Philly was the last hope. Out of the Final 8 teams in the playoffs this season, they were the only one built on a tank. Good, I say. Death to all tanking teams.
It will be interesting how the balls fall for the next lotto. If it favors some of the teams with the worst records again, this bad habit of tanking may not be over yet.
But yeah, for the most part it seems like the teams viewed as the middle of the pack like Toronto or basketball hell like the Nets, Jazz, and Magic are making great strides or doing fine.