NBA games postponed today p14 Players decide to resume Playoffs

[DSand]

Armed, right wing milita groups showed up to counter protest and one of them shot and killed 2 people.

Urlacher liked a post saying to free that person.

Pretty much says all you need to know.

[musiqsoulchild]

You're right, these are complicated times. What you stated that the police could have done is really an opinion from people that have time to sit and think about. These police don't have that luxury. They did try to stop him. The police are human too. They aren't perfect and their jobs are not easy. They are just like you and me. Urlacher has his opinion on the matter as well and it might not be the same as yours. Doesn't make him right. Doesn't make you wrong. But I don't see anything that would make me believe he is racist (yet).

We have to as a society move away from that.

We cant say soldiers are humans too. And forgive them for war crimes. Even if they might be small ones like letting big dogs loose on prisoners.

Cops ARE by Law held to a higher standard than Civilians.

That's the entirety of the job.

Once again, that is your opinion. I respect it because we are different. Not in bad ways. But people have to be accountable for their actions. Whether they are a soldier, a cop, or just a regular citizen, white or black. Or brown, or yellow, or whatever.

No they didnt use to.

That's why Hammurabi wrote a code of conduct. Manu wrote a treatise of laws.

Heck, Moses had 10 Commandments of what NOT to do.

People inherently can commit crime. And they should be punished. It USED to be societal punishment before like Ostracization, Beheading, Stoning, Dismemberment of Limbs before....just pick any old religious book.

WE as a civilization have decided to go from that Jungle Law to Law and Order.

That immediately changes things.

If you commit a Crime, then there is a Punishment. The 2 should match or be in similar proportion.

The law even protects against that " cruel and unusual" punishment. It has to be in similar proportion.

Civilians must follow rules. When they break these rules....Cops cant decide " All bets are off now that you've broken the law".

That is jungle law. Except by someone who is supposed to be fair. And whose salary is paid for by Civilians.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

I saw that, but what about it is racist?

I think these are complicated times.

My understanding of the situation is:
Blake had a felony warrant out for his arrest for domestic violence. 911 was called by a woman due to Blake's presence because he wasn't supposed to be there and had taken her car keys and wouldn't give them back which is a relatively minor domestic dispute all things considered. He isn't hitting her or anything like that, there is no violence going on in the situation that requires a violent escalation of things.

When police arrive, Blake is non compliant and resists arrests. They attempt to taze him unsuccessfully after wrestling him to the ground. Blake slowly strolls back to his car and police allow him to do so. Once there, he attempts to arm himself/is armed as shouts of drop the knife are heard and a knife is recovered from the floorboards of his front seat. He's shot after he, presumably refuses to drop the knife.

I think it's completely understandable for someone to say regardless of arrest warrant he doesn't deserve to be shot and some other action should have been taken. While the 911 call was a domestic disturbance, this wasn't Blake violently striking the woman, he had her car keys and there wasn't an imminent threat. The police fundamentally failed in their job by letting him walk slowly back to the car and even attempt to arm himself which caused this unnecessary escalation which followed.

I think it's also completely reasonable to say this was someone with a felony arrest warrant out for him, that was the antagonist at the scene which caused the police to show up, that resisted arrest repeatedly, that was non compliant to simple commands, and was attempting to arm himself (or had just armed himself) when he was shot.

Unlike Floyd whom was flat out murdered after being incapacitated and not a threat or Taylor whom was just flat out murdered during a no knock raid where she was just sitting at home and never did anything wrong, this situation is far from cut and dry. The police should have done better than they did, but none of this happens if Blake is compliant with commands. This is fundamentally different than Floyd/Taylor whom weren't at fault at all and were straight up murdered, but we're sitting on a powder keg of emotions right now, and no one wants to hear a moderate view of anything.

I agree a 100 percent with your assessment Doug.

Heres where I have one different dataset to add:

We ( non-Blacks) have come to this emotionally charged time after:

Ahmad Arbury
Breonna Taylor
George Floyd
And now, when Blake happens...it just gets us into that emotionally charged pattern.

That's just 6 months of being BLACK in America.

Imagine how that community feels with countless names before.

And the millions of nameless ones killed/maimed/raped since being put on a ship from Ghana.

We may not feel a Blake as viscerally as many Black people instantly feel. It's a raw exposed nerve touched each time.

I'm not here to argue with you, I'm really not. But please believe that there are more people shot by the police, not just black. And most of the time they have legit reasons to do so, not always. Don't let the media convince you otherwise. I have nothing more to say on this.

[FecesOfDeath]

Armed, right wing milita groups showed up to counter protest and one of them shot and killed 2 people.

Urlacher liked a post saying to free that person.

Pretty much says all you need to know.

Joseph Rosenbaum (Dead Victim #1)
https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2020CM000836&countyNo=30&index=0&mode=details&fbclid=IwAR06Kel1xL-KlbA2HgJqr3ONTUMCjJce1t1QPJbcb9PBA8g3FP9Ok0sKv0Q
https://inmatedatasearch.azcorrections.gov/PrintInmate.aspx?ID=172556&fbclid=IwAR2XMKQO1umbKdjoOqsPr1mwf064lcFYkupWY74wpVlXu-OPiR5Gbl0bwtc
He was a PEDOPHILE.

Anthony Huber (Dead Victim #2)
https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2018CM000509&countyNo=30&index=0&mode=details&fbclid=IwAR1JNkrtfqXf72xkZuBQhMt3dmABerYXjEw27XfDB37FG_JSvx_Nj_BaNSM
https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2012CF001346&countyNo=30&index=0&mode=details&fbclid=IwAR1M-8SK-1HcaY2c3SCRuIQKrmqoSQEAi7PtJFUzES4WEDSZiH4eaKhsIj4

Gaige Grosskreutz (Victim #3, shot in the arm)
https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2016CM001014&countyNo=40&index=0&mode=details&fbclid=IwAR0EgXpt6uoe2YlM5vQUiOkjH_hZk8YMrAtcb8hNDgJrDhV_Tpz357UFJQw
https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2019FO000471&countyNo=2&index=0&mode=details&fbclid=IwAR02K5SrkaWLdzJZrVc1Fx53e7mDJIR8Q_B38zC-_gmaAdBPQJupUmRzyIE
He wasn't allowed to hold that Glock 26/43 that he had in the first place.

The more that YOU need to know.

[musiqsoulchild]

I think these are complicated times.

My understanding of the situation is:
Blake had a felony warrant out for his arrest for domestic violence. 911 was called by a woman due to Blake's presence because he wasn't supposed to be there and had taken her car keys and wouldn't give them back which is a relatively minor domestic dispute all things considered. He isn't hitting her or anything like that, there is no violence going on in the situation that requires a violent escalation of things.

When police arrive, Blake is non compliant and resists arrests. They attempt to taze him unsuccessfully after wrestling him to the ground. Blake slowly strolls back to his car and police allow him to do so. Once there, he attempts to arm himself/is armed as shouts of drop the knife are heard and a knife is recovered from the floorboards of his front seat. He's shot after he, presumably refuses to drop the knife.

I think it's completely understandable for someone to say regardless of arrest warrant he doesn't deserve to be shot and some other action should have been taken. While the 911 call was a domestic disturbance, this wasn't Blake violently striking the woman, he had her car keys and there wasn't an imminent threat. The police fundamentally failed in their job by letting him walk slowly back to the car and even attempt to arm himself which caused this unnecessary escalation which followed.

I think it's also completely reasonable to say this was someone with a felony arrest warrant out for him, that was the antagonist at the scene which caused the police to show up, that resisted arrest repeatedly, that was non compliant to simple commands, and was attempting to arm himself (or had just armed himself) when he was shot.

Unlike Floyd whom was flat out murdered after being incapacitated and not a threat or Taylor whom was just flat out murdered during a no knock raid where she was just sitting at home and never did anything wrong, this situation is far from cut and dry. The police should have done better than they did, but none of this happens if Blake is compliant with commands. This is fundamentally different than Floyd/Taylor whom weren't at fault at all and were straight up murdered, but we're sitting on a powder keg of emotions right now, and no one wants to hear a moderate view of anything.

I agree a 100 percent with your assessment Doug.

Heres where I have one different dataset to add:

We ( non-Blacks) have come to this emotionally charged time after:

Ahmad Arbury
Breonna Taylor
George Floyd
And now, when Blake happens...it just gets us into that emotionally charged pattern.

That's just 6 months of being BLACK in America.

Imagine how that community feels with countless names before.

And the millions of nameless ones killed/maimed/raped since being put on a ship from Ghana.

We may not feel a Blake as viscerally as many Black people instantly feel. It's a raw exposed nerve touched each time.

I'm not here to argue with you, I'm really not. But please believe that there are more people shot by the police, not just black. And most of the time they have legit reasons to do so, not always. Don't let the media convince you otherwise. I have nothing more to say on this.

I know what your point is. And it's not a racist one. It's completely factual.

That's why my PREMISE has always been that Racism in most cases is a way to show Power differential. Much like rape is.

Coming back to your point:

There are bad cops who abuse the system and falsify / hide information and commit extra-judicial acts.

They do the above to ALL RACES.

However, when this is done to a minority race - it hits differently because of the past history.

The original "cops" were basically foremen on the plantation who had to ensure productivity and compliance. So that the Master and his Missus can stay away from the heat, the grime and the rawness of physical pain and labor.

That stuff is imprinted in the minority mindset. Which will explain why a lot of non-minority folks might TRULY believe that we are emancipated.

But are we really?

[musiqsoulchild]

Armed, right wing milita groups showed up to counter protest and one of them shot and killed 2 people.

Urlacher liked a post saying to free that person.

Pretty much says all you need to know.

Joseph Rosenbaum (Dead Victim #1)
https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2020CM000836&countyNo=30&index=0&mode=details&fbclid=IwAR06Kel1xL-KlbA2HgJqr3ONTUMCjJce1t1QPJbcb9PBA8g3FP9Ok0sKv0Q
https://inmatedatasearch.azcorrections.gov/PrintInmate.aspx?ID=172556&fbclid=IwAR2XMKQO1umbKdjoOqsPr1mwf064lcFYkupWY74wpVlXu-OPiR5Gbl0bwtc
He was a PEDOPHILE.

Anthony Huber (Dead Victim #2)
https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2018CM000509&countyNo=30&index=0&mode=details&fbclid=IwAR1JNkrtfqXf72xkZuBQhMt3dmABerYXjEw27XfDB37FG_JSvx_Nj_BaNSM
https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2012CF001346&countyNo=30&index=0&mode=details&fbclid=IwAR1M-8SK-1HcaY2c3SCRuIQKrmqoSQEAi7PtJFUzES4WEDSZiH4eaKhsIj4

Gaige Grosskreutz (Victim #3, shot in the arm)
https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2016CM001014&countyNo=40&index=0&mode=details&fbclid=IwAR0EgXpt6uoe2YlM5vQUiOkjH_hZk8YMrAtcb8hNDgJrDhV_Tpz357UFJQw
https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2019FO000471&countyNo=2&index=0&mode=details&fbclid=IwAR02K5SrkaWLdzJZrVc1Fx53e7mDJIR8Q_B38zC-_gmaAdBPQJupUmRzyIE
He wasn't allowed to hold that Glock 26/43 that he had in the first place.

The more that YOU need to know.

This is really bad. Dont do this to a very important discussion.

Character assasination is so old and decrepit.

Move on.

None of them deserved to get shot and killed. The kid Kyle didnt deserve to be there.

Everyone is losing.

Do you not see that?

[HomoSapien]

You’re not the only one, the NBA’s ratings have dropped significantly. First the China virus hurt them but now with all this kneeling during the anthem and disrespecting the country they dug themselves a bigger hole. On top of that they go and boycott for no reason at all.

Red8911, this is an official warning for using a xenophobic phrase. Using such terms encourages racism. The term "China Virus" has led to a spike in violent and hostile attacks towards Asians and Asian Americans. The name for this virus is Covid-19. This will be your only warning on this matter.

-HS

[FecesOfDeath]

Armed, right wing milita groups showed up to counter protest and one of them shot and killed 2 people.

Urlacher liked a post saying to free that person.

Pretty much says all you need to know.

Joseph Rosenbaum (Dead Victim #1)
https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2020CM000836&countyNo=30&index=0&mode=details&fbclid=IwAR06Kel1xL-KlbA2HgJqr3ONTUMCjJce1t1QPJbcb9PBA8g3FP9Ok0sKv0Q
https://inmatedatasearch.azcorrections.gov/PrintInmate.aspx?ID=172556&fbclid=IwAR2XMKQO1umbKdjoOqsPr1mwf064lcFYkupWY74wpVlXu-OPiR5Gbl0bwtc
He was a PEDOPHILE.

Anthony Huber (Dead Victim #2)
https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2018CM000509&countyNo=30&index=0&mode=details&fbclid=IwAR1JNkrtfqXf72xkZuBQhMt3dmABerYXjEw27XfDB37FG_JSvx_Nj_BaNSM
https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2012CF001346&countyNo=30&index=0&mode=details&fbclid=IwAR1M-8SK-1HcaY2c3SCRuIQKrmqoSQEAi7PtJFUzES4WEDSZiH4eaKhsIj4

Gaige Grosskreutz (Victim #3, shot in the arm)
https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2016CM001014&countyNo=40&index=0&mode=details&fbclid=IwAR0EgXpt6uoe2YlM5vQUiOkjH_hZk8YMrAtcb8hNDgJrDhV_Tpz357UFJQw
https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2019FO000471&countyNo=2&index=0&mode=details&fbclid=IwAR02K5SrkaWLdzJZrVc1Fx53e7mDJIR8Q_B38zC-_gmaAdBPQJupUmRzyIE
He wasn't allowed to hold that Glock 26/43 that he had in the first place.

The more that YOU need to know.

This is really bad. Dont do this to a very important discussion.

Character assasination is so old and decrepit.

Move on.

None of them deserved to get shot and killed. The kid Kyle didnt deserve to be there.

Everyone is losing.

Do you not see that?

None of the three victims deserved to be there either. Nor did they have to display aggression and try to take the kid's rifle. Nor whack him in the back of the head with a skateboard while he was running away.

[musiqsoulchild]

Joseph Rosenbaum (Dead Victim #1)
https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2020CM000836&countyNo=30&index=0&mode=details&fbclid=IwAR06Kel1xL-KlbA2HgJqr3ONTUMCjJce1t1QPJbcb9PBA8g3FP9Ok0sKv0Q
https://inmatedatasearch.azcorrections.gov/PrintInmate.aspx?ID=172556&fbclid=IwAR2XMKQO1umbKdjoOqsPr1mwf064lcFYkupWY74wpVlXu-OPiR5Gbl0bwtc
He was a PEDOPHILE.

Anthony Huber (Dead Victim #2)
https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2018CM000509&countyNo=30&index=0&mode=details&fbclid=IwAR1JNkrtfqXf72xkZuBQhMt3dmABerYXjEw27XfDB37FG_JSvx_Nj_BaNSM
https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2012CF001346&countyNo=30&index=0&mode=details&fbclid=IwAR1M-8SK-1HcaY2c3SCRuIQKrmqoSQEAi7PtJFUzES4WEDSZiH4eaKhsIj4

Gaige Grosskreutz (Victim #3, shot in the arm)
https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2016CM001014&countyNo=40&index=0&mode=details&fbclid=IwAR0EgXpt6uoe2YlM5vQUiOkjH_hZk8YMrAtcb8hNDgJrDhV_Tpz357UFJQw
https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2019FO000471&countyNo=2&index=0&mode=details&fbclid=IwAR02K5SrkaWLdzJZrVc1Fx53e7mDJIR8Q_B38zC-_gmaAdBPQJupUmRzyIE
He wasn't allowed to hold that Glock 26/43 that he had in the first place.

The more that YOU need to know.

This is really bad. Dont do this to a very important discussion.

Character assasination is so old and decrepit.

Move on.

None of them deserved to get shot and killed. The kid Kyle didnt deserve to be there.

Everyone is losing.

Do you not see that?

None of the three victims deserved to be there either. Nor did they have to display aggression and try to take the kid's rifle. Nor whack him in the back of the head with a skateboard while he was running away.

Yes. In your own world, you are right.

[FecesOfDeath]

This is really bad. Dont do this to a very important discussion.

Character assasination is so old and decrepit.

Move on.

None of them deserved to get shot and killed. The kid Kyle didnt deserve to be there.

Everyone is losing.

Do you not see that?

None of the three victims deserved to be there either. Nor did they have to display aggression and try to take the kid's rifle. Nor whack him in the back of the head with a skateboard while he was running away.

Yes. In your own world, you are right.

In our world, I am right.

[HomoSapien]

None of the three victims deserved to be there either. Nor did they have to display aggression and try to take the kid's rifle. Nor whack him in the back of the head with a skateboard while he was running away.

Yes. In your own world, you are right.

In our world, I am right.

Stop derailing the thread. If you want to talk about the NBA postponing games, this is that thread. If you want to talk about Kenosha, take it to the Current Affairs board.

EDIT: I realize this thread has gone in a current affairs direction. That's okay, but if you want to engage in that direction then EVERYONE needs to do a better job of at least keeping as a discussion and not pointless back and forth snips.

[R3AL1TY]

This thread is why I personally keep political or religious discussions to the very minimum. It's very opinionated and most people see things in the far extreme on one side. Most can't see a middle ground.

[dougthonus]

Civilians must follow rules. When they break these rules....Cops cant decide " All bets are off now that you've broken the law".

Quite literally, the rule is that cops can fire when they are in mortal danger and a suspect is armed and refuses to disarm. That appears to be the case here.

This wasn't them saying "you didn't comply when I told you to sit down, I'll shoot you 7 times" this appears to be "you walked to your car to arm yourself, did not disarm yourself upon warning, and so now I will ensure my safety".

If it turns out he was unarmed then yeah, I'd feel totally differently, but that no longer appears to be the case. Assuming the present knowledge available is correct, then if the cop hesitates, it not an exaggeration to say that he could have been dead two seconds later if Blake just turns and stabs him in the neck.

[transplant]

Civilians must follow rules. When they break these rules....Cops cant decide " All bets are off now that you've broken the law".

Quite literally, the rule is that cops can fire when they are in mortal danger and a suspect is armed and refuses to disarm. That appears to be the case here.

This wasn't them saying "you didn't comply when I told you to sit down, I'll shoot you 7 times" this appears to be "you walked to your car to arm yourself, did not disarm yourself upon warning, and so now I will ensure my safety".

If it turns out he was unarmed then yeah, I'd feel totally differently, but that no longer appears to be the case. Assuming the present knowledge available is correct, then if the cop hesitates, it not an exaggeration to say that he could have been dead two seconds later if Blake just turns and stabs him in the neck.

I don't know what actually happened. You don't know what actually happened. This is why there's an investigation. The problem is that there's damaging video and the media and many celebrities have acted as judge and jury. Before I draw a conclusion, I'd like to see the results of the investigation.

[cjbulls]

Yes. In your own world, you are right.

In our world, I am right.

Stop derailing the thread. If you want to talk about the NBA postponing games, this is that thread. If you want to talk about Kenosha, take it to the Current Affairs board.

Have you been reading this thread? It’s a little late to start modding it now. Everyone has been off topic by your standards.

I don’t agree with much of what this poster is saying, but I don’t see why he needs to stay on topic but others do not. The post you warned is just a mirroring back between two posters, but only one is warned (when zero should).

Edit: I know the mod job isn’t fun or easy especially on something like this, so don’t take it personally from me. This just appears to be a very off-topic topic to begin with.

[League Circles]

The NBA's statement is pretty embarrassing IMO. An incredibly thinly veiled statement that "we're gonna try to move heaven and earth to get Biden elected".

I don't support Trump at all but if they wanted to combat racial injustice by police, IMO, the statement should have been more about policies they'll advocate, even lobby for (even though I don't think politicians should communicate with lobbyists).

IMO, people need to stop pretending like voting in this country is something that is so hard to "access" and realize that half the country doesn't vote, some of them because they don't care but probably most of them because they despise our two main pathetic political parties because of how bad they suck.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

Ok, to stay on topic here is my plea to the players:

Theres other ways to make a statement. Boycotting playing a game that brings so many different people together is not the answer. Racism wins when we stop doing these things we love together. This goes for any sport. Whether you are playing professionally or just a pickup game at the park, we work together no matter what color our skin is. We enjoy competition amongst each other. I've witnessed first hand many friendships made no matter where we've come from. The game brings us together. Don't stop doing what you do best. Don't let racism break us up. We need positive reactions that will actually make a difference. As a fan I need you now more than ever

[MrSparkle]

Hey, as somebody who thinks Trump's Admin is the closest thing to Soviet/Fascist mis-information the US has ever had, I'm OK with NBA getting political.

People still don't seem to understand that the reason politicians do things that seem moderate of what the average progressive/minority hoped, is because of large-money interests. Obama got elected from a far-right climate. He had a lot of moderate support, and frankly Bernie wasn't even in the Democratic party at that point; he was a clear Independent. The party has gotten much more progressive in the last 4 years, starting with Bernie's big primary run and the Hilary melt-down.

NBA is a multi-billion dollar interest. You want to see legislation passed? (A) Endorse a candidate. (B) Tell them what you want. (C) Threaten to pull the rug if they go against your interests.

The reason Trump was able to push a bunch of garbage a whole lot faster than Obama was because Obama had to appease about 100 different bases. Trump basically has 2 people to answer to: mega-wealthy executives/investors and white bigots/ignorants.

At this point, Biden is the ultimate ghost candidate. If he wins, then the pressures come in from the coalition and it will be difficult, but favorable BLM-reforms will be one of the first things on the agenda besides saving the lower/middle class from economic implosion and coronavirus (medical insurance reform and re-instating power back to a good CDC). If he ignores progressive policies entirely, the US is going to completely melt down. People are literally out burning things already.

But the NBA's narrow focus and input can be on BLM issue. IMO, they're large enough as a single entity to do it. If NFL piles on, it's unstoppable regardless how many Cowboys and Bucs fans get their guns out.

Now I also wouldn't expect Joe Biden to appease AOC and Bernie. Of course there would be more inner-party tensions after a honeymoon. But yes, the NBA/Players can have a very powerful, direct line to the POTUS on police reform if that's what they agree to do as a whole.

[CBS7]

Nor whack him in the back of the head with a skateboard while he was running away.

Now that I'm more versed in the sequence of events, he had already shot someone in the head and killed them at the point the guy him in the head with a skateboard.

Still irrelevant to bring up their histories. No one deserves to be judge jury and executioner. The shooter didn't know the histories of the people he killed.

He also broke the law because the gun wasn't his.

[johnnyvann840]

Let me be frank about this, and that is coming from somebody who has donated time and money to mentor kids from the local projects, as well as help disadvantaged people regardless race and creed:

Don't look at this as some binary choice (BLM or Racist), or you'll lose people like me, who have actually done something to try to better the lives of underprivileged people, for good.

There is NO circumstance where I will EVER support rioting, arson and destroying the livelihoods and property of people who have probably worked their entire lives to get to a point where their lives simply don't suck. Or suck less than before.

It is not a big logical leap to start perceiving BLM and its encouragement of societal violence as nothing more but race-baiting opportunists who have allied themselves with militant, narcissistic whites with mommy & daddy issues that want to tear down society like ANTIFA. That's where this is headed.

And, more importantly, it will achieve nothing but isolate and diminish the people who actually want to bring about not just change, but meaningful, positive change.

I'm with Doug on this one--this has become a cult, a religion. You can't talk about it like grown adults any longer. Something I heard yesterday on a work call shook me because it showed me how people are letting their emotions completely overwhelm their reason.

The CEO of our company, who is a first generation immigrant and a person of color, and who runs a company that has been involved in actively trying to improve the lives of our local impoverished communities for DECADES through charity and volunteering, and which has employees of every religion, color and background, was chided on a call to the workforce by a black employee for saying that the company will continue to support equality for all, and inclusivity, and will NEVER discriminate by color, religion, gender, or sexuality, for not going far enough by saying that the company explicitly supports BLM and its full agenda.

I understand that the negative emotions are running high. I understand why. There are bigots. There are racists. There are bad cops. But to reiterate Doug's point, the guys who let the above define their actions as humans, are a very small minority. And, while I can sympathize that some people in my circle are feeling angry/sad at what's been happening, and I'll offer them my emotional support to talk it through, I'll be the first person to tell them to get their shyte together, should they cross the line and become antagonistic to others, based solely on their skin color (i.e. white or brown).

You're either a decent human being, regardless of color, or you're not. And other decent human beings, which are the vast majority in my experience, tend to care about your character much more so than about the color of your skin.

As for the players walking away--that's entirely their right. Just like it is the right of the owners to stop paying them when they do.

This says it all. Post of the thread.