OT Election Thread

[TheStig]

TheStig

Biden will be in a much worse shape than Trump trying to run again in 2024.

- He now will have to deal with COVID-19 and the aftermath of this
- The economy is likely going to go into a recession here
- He'll be 82
- Without full control of congress, his presidency will be inefficient (unless he finds a way to fix this)
- He barely beat arguably the worst republican candidate

The next republican candidate will use Trumps tag line Bidens been in office 47 + 4 more years and got nothing done.

Odds are against him despite him being the incumbent.

I don't find any of those other than the age to be true.

you think he can get stuff done as president? i don't make many predictions, but i'm quite confident that as long as the birthers control the senate nothing of consequence will get done. we're right back to blocking the judicial appointments of a democratic president

even with trump losing, as long as they maintain control of the senate last night was a big win for the birther party

Presumably we will be done with Covid next year. Pandemics typically last about 18 months. Recession will also likely be over by then and we'll be pulling out. Those too don't last years. And he'll be able to run on leading us out of both.

pretty much agree. the economy is already in a pronounced recession. the stock market may well tank again after biden grabs the reigns, though

I think he's going to muster all of his political capital to get Obamacare back. It has not actually been repealed. So he can rework it.

I don't know that we'll get a big recession. I think it'll pass quickly and don't think the market will tank.

[TheStig]

We have an outcome. It's over. Biden wins. They just can't announce it because it's not official yet.

That's not an outcome till it's official and the other party concedes.

It's all over but the shouting. Might not be official but we know who won 270 or more electoral votes. There is ZERO chance and no path for Trump at this point. It might turn out he loses even more states than it looked like this morning. NV and AZ are all but official. Biden will be the next president. Just because Trump won't concede and he is likely to challenge in the courts doesn't mean he hasn't lost. He has lost.

His path is limited but it won't be quick. He's gonna go kicking and screaming and you never know what happens in court.

[Michael Jackson]

That's not an outcome till it's official and the other party concedes.

It's all over but the shouting. Might not be official but we know who won 270 or more electoral votes. There is ZERO chance and no path for Trump at this point. It might turn out he loses even more states than it looked like this morning. NV and AZ are all but official. Biden will be the next president. Just because Trump won't concede and he is likely to challenge in the courts doesn't mean he hasn't lost. He has lost.

His path is limited but it won't be quick. He's gonna go kicking and screaming and you never know what happens in court.

He will go kicking and screaming but I don’t think that will matter much unless there is something to uncover, which everyone knew he would be looking for as he has stated for the past 6 months so good luck trying to find it even if it is there.

[Jeffster81]

Like I said earlier, whoever win....America loses. We know Trump is not that answer but neither is Biden. At best Biden will be neutered as president (should he win and until it is official, he has not won). So 4 more years of pure BS by both stinking moronic houses.

[Dresden]

as long as the fanatical left wing doesn't take over the senate and the house it's not a big deal whoever won the election. america thankfully won't be run into the ground.

america has already been run into the ground. the evidence is the tens of millions of people who have been duped into believing that any significant number of elected democratic senators are fanatical left wingers. the evidence is the countless number grossly unqualified judges that have been crammed into high places by donald trump over the past 4 years. the evidence is a colossal failure of a carney president nearly winning re-election because his birther party has over the course of decades systematically convinced its base to vote against its own interests by exploiting loser cultural grievances

obama briefly had full control of congress with SIXTY democratic senators. america didn't get run into the ground. tens of millions got health care and tens of millions more got big assistance with their health expenses. the birthers said it would ruin the economy. somehow it didn't. imagine that

you want fanatical?



what you see there is the slow train to birther town

Excellent reply.

[ImSlower]

Spending the last two days hiking down in the Shawnee forest, unplugged from the world, was the best thing I could do. Got home today and checked a bit of news, and here I go back to offline mode another 24 hours. It's easier, and I'll get a whole lot more work done.

[dice]

bettors have biden 2:1 to take georgia and 4:1 for both PA and AZ, respectively (trump just did get a good batch of votes reported in AZ, reducing the gap there). trump needs all three

it'd be quite fitting if trump lost re-election by the smallest possible margin because he offended too many john mccain supporters in arizona. it would also mean that dragging a single electoral vote out of NEBRASKA ended up tipping the election to biden. a biden victory tour of nebraska would be so delicious

[TheStig]

It's all over but the shouting. Might not be official but we know who won 270 or more electoral votes. There is ZERO chance and no path for Trump at this point. It might turn out he loses even more states than it looked like this morning. NV and AZ are all but official. Biden will be the next president. Just because Trump won't concede and he is likely to challenge in the courts doesn't mean he hasn't lost. He has lost.

His path is limited but it won't be quick. He's gonna go kicking and screaming and you never know what happens in court.

He will go kicking and screaming but I don’t think that will matter much unless there is something to uncover, which everyone knew he would be looking for as he has stated for the past 6 months so good luck trying to find it even if it is there.

You know he has a 6-3 majority in the supreme court and appointed 3 of them right? It's not a given his case gets thrown out. And in the meanwhile there will be unrest on both sides. It's not going to be quick or pretty.

[chefo]

If Trumps flips back Arizona, which is within the realm of the possible given how many votes are outstanding, and he keeps GA and NC, as expected, they'll go in front of SCOTUS for PA.

In their recent split decision the SCOTUS ordered PA to keep track of ballots that come after the deadline, just in case. From everything I've read, PA decided to flip off SCOTUS on their ruling and didn't do anything about it. By the way, 4 out of the 5 conservative judges (that was before judge Barrett) said they have a serious issue with late ballots and how they affect the integrity of elections, especially as the rule changes were made against precedent and in a very short term timeframe without legislative support. Given that Judge Barrett is likely to side with Trump on the issue, SCOTUS may deem late ballots unconstitutional. Since Trump still has 200K lead over Biden in PA, that may end up being enough for him to claim the state and surpass 270.

That's why team Trump are lawyering up in PA. They are convinced they'll get back Arizona, and have a decent shot at Nevada as well.

[TheStig]

If Trumps flips back Arizona, which is within the realm of the possible given how many votes are outstanding, and he keeps GA and NC, as expected, they'll go in front of SCOTUS for PA.

In their recent split decision the SCOTUS ordered PA to keep track of ballots that come after the deadline, just in case. From everything I've read, PA decided to flip off SCOTUS on their ruling and didn't do anything about it. By the way, 4 out of the 5 conservative judges (that was before judge Barrett) said they have a serious issue with late ballots and how they affect the integrity of elections, especially as the rule changes were made against precedent and in a very short term timeframe without legislative support. Given that Judge Barrett is likely to side with Trump on the issue, SCOTUS may deem late ballots unconstitutional. Since Trump still has 200K lead over Biden in PA, that may end up being enough for him to claim the state and surpass 270.

That's why team Trump are lawyering up in PA. They are convinced they'll get back Arizona, and have a decent shot at Nevada as well.

They're down nearly 3%. I don't think AZ is coming back to them.

[chefo]

If Trumps flips back Arizona, which is within the realm of the possible given how many votes are outstanding, and he keeps GA and NC, as expected, they'll go in front of SCOTUS for PA.

In their recent split decision the SCOTUS ordered PA to keep track of ballots that come after the deadline, just in case. From everything I've read, PA decided to flip off SCOTUS on their ruling and didn't do anything about it. By the way, 4 out of the 5 conservative judges (that was before judge Barrett) said they have a serious issue with late ballots and how they affect the integrity of elections, especially as the rule changes were made against precedent and in a very short term timeframe without legislative support. Given that Judge Barrett is likely to side with Trump on the issue, SCOTUS may deem late ballots unconstitutional. Since Trump still has 200K lead over Biden in PA, that may end up being enough for him to claim the state and surpass 270.

That's why team Trump are lawyering up in PA. They are convinced they'll get back Arizona, and have a decent shot at Nevada as well.

They're down nearly 3%. I don't think AZ is coming back to them.

I read that when the stopped counting, there were between 500K and 650K ballots, mostly from the in-person vote that were still not counted. Trump supposedly carried 70%+ of the rest of the in-person vote. Going from 75% to 85% of votes, Trump picked up 5% (he was down 8%), so there may be something to the assumptions above, because that would imply a 75/25 split of the votes in Trump's favor. From what I gather, there are still over 300K ballots outstanding, which if you follow a 70/30 split would imply Trump will win by ~30k votes when all is said and done.

[Pointgod]

If Trumps flips back Arizona, which is within the realm of the possible given how many votes are outstanding, and he keeps GA and NC, as expected, they'll go in front of SCOTUS for PA.

In their recent split decision the SCOTUS ordered PA to keep track of ballots that come after the deadline, just in case. From everything I've read, PA decided to flip off SCOTUS on their ruling and didn't do anything about it. By the way, 4 out of the 5 conservative judges (that was before judge Barrett) said they have a serious issue with late ballots and how they affect the integrity of elections, especially as the rule changes were made against precedent and in a very short term timeframe without legislative support. Given that Judge Barrett is likely to side with Trump on the issue, SCOTUS may deem late ballots unconstitutional. Since Trump still has 200K lead over Biden in PA, that may end up being enough for him to claim the state and surpass 270.

That's why team Trump are lawyering up in PA. They are convinced they'll get back Arizona, and have a decent shot at Nevada as well.

Listen this fever dream you’re having ain’t happening. North Carolina won’t change for another week until all the mail in ballots and provisional ballot has been received. Pennsylvania will be called by Friday before that. If it goes Biden, which is highly likely then that’s over 270. Georgia, Arizona, Nevada or North Carolina not needed

[Dresden]

bettors have biden 2:1 to take georgia and 4:1 for both PA and AZ, respectively (trump just did get a good batch of votes reported in AZ, reducing the gap there). trump needs all three

it'd be quite fitting if trump lost re-election by the smallest possible margin because he offended too many john mccain supporters in arizona. it would also mean that dragging a single electoral vote out of NEBRASKA ended up tipping the election to biden. a biden victory tour of nebraska would be so delicious

I like those odds if I"m Biden. It would be nice if he takes 2 of the 3 at least, just in case.

[Dresden]

Both McConnell and Christie have said that what Trump is doing is stupid. both say you have to let the process play out, you have to count all the votes, before you start crying "Foul". Good to see a few people of his own party standing up to him, at last.

[Wingy]

Don't be surprised if this returns to being a red state. People in Arizona were not happy with Trump. Moderates really moved away from Trump.

I think it will be fascinating to see where the next election goes.

There is a part of me that thinks Trump is literally, by far, not even close, is the worst president (or even candidate) of anyone that has run in my lifetime and despite that, its still close. This means, people really don't believe in the democrats. The other part of me thinks his game theory strategy of saying 'F everyone who is against me, not even going to try to be moderate, going to go hard for my base' may actually attract a larger base than a more moderate republican would.

Well Biden has a major disadvantage going into 2024. He barely beat Trump, many of his voters voted simply to get Trump out, he will be entering a presidency where COVID-19 will dominate the news. He then enters a recession and if he can't bounce out of that, well he's done in 2024.

I still think the next republican nominee is Nikki Haley.

Trump would be back. His cult is too strong.

[PlayerUp]

Both McConnell and Christie have said that what Trump is doing is stupid. both say you have to let the process play out, you have to count all the votes, before you start crying "Foul". Good to see a few people of his own party standing up to him, at last.

McConnell has always been professional he's just stuck in his old ways. People saying him and Biden were good friends while in congress so maybe we can see some progress in congress after this is all over with.

[Jeffster81]

Will Trump concede? No. The giant DBag will never concede. But it is a sad day in American political affairs that Joe Biden is the answer. F**k both the Dems and GOP.

[Michael Jackson]

Both McConnell and Christie have said that what Trump is doing is stupid. both say you have to let the process play out, you have to count all the votes, before you start crying "Foul". Good to see a few people of his own party standing up to him, at last.

The GOP will be grateful to have Trump out too. He is offensive to all politicians. He is like a guy who finds a way that is out of the unwritten rules to win golf tournaments. It upsets the long standing culture and you can’t wait for that person to be gone.

[PlayerUp]

Will Trump concede? No. The giant DBag will never concede. But it is a sad day in American political affairs that Joe Biden is the answer. F**k both the Dems and GOP.

Don't be shocked if Trump can force a re-vote in certain states.

I expect this to drag out months, not weeks. Trump will obviously go full offensive here. Challenge the results of each states, force recounts and whatever he can do.

Hopefully this doesn't become the new norm for elections but wouldn't be shocked if every close election moving forward ends up like this until a better system to correct this is implemented.

[ATRAIN53]

He'll get to the bottom of this!


One hanging chad.......ha ha ha