NBA Trade Thread #12

[WesPeace]

I'm not sure Smith has bright future here,as long as Billy is coach.. sadly! I'm hope I'm wrong, but if Vooch is finally traded and we get another C in trade back, Smith again will be 3rd stringer most likely..

[Am2626]

How about Vooch for Kuminga? Vooch is an expiring 22m contract this year and he could fit pretty well with GSW. Kuminga is out of the rotation with GSW so his value is at a low. He’s a very talented prospect and would fit nicely with the Bulls core of Matas, Giddey, and Coby White.

[sco]

How about Vooch for Kuminga? Vooch is an expiring 22m contract this year and he could fit pretty well with GSW. Kuminga is out of the rotation with GSW so his value is at a low. He’s a very talented prospect and would fit nicely with the Bulls core of Matas, Giddey, and Coby White.

Kuminga is a RFA, which will make the logistics hard if we can't afford to make an offer that he'd sign. I used to want him, but his defense isn't great and his 3 ball is below average. Sorta gives me Randle vibes. If we had an elite defensive C, I might be more inclined.

[Infinity2152]

How about Vooch for Kuminga? Vooch is an expiring 22m contract this year and he could fit pretty well with GSW. Kuminga is out of the rotation with GSW so his value is at a low. He’s a very talented prospect and would fit nicely with the Bulls core of Matas, Giddey, and Coby White.

This is a deal I think could realistically be in the planning right now. Relationship looks and sounds really bad between GS and Kuminga, almost zero chance he re-signs. GS is in a good position because almost nobody can offer him a straight contract besides Brooklyn, that's his most likely destination.

Think it's likely he's signed and traded to somebody if the Nets pass. With Jimmy Butler and Draymond Green there, surely Vucevic's defensive failings could be covered and they could use the scoring, rebounding and three point shooting. Better shooter than Jimmy or Draymond. The way he ended the season probably pushed his money down some.


Warriors passed on him before, but there were discussions and they didn't have Jimmy Butler then, defensive anchor and below average threee point shooter. Hope the Nets make a big play for him and leave Giddey alone, but I'd do Kuminga for Vucevic, he fits our needs and timetable.

[jump]

I live in the Bay Area, and Warriors fans are starting to talk about Kuminga the way Bulls fans talked about Zach -- super talented, but the team often looks and performs worse when he's on the floor. He also is looking for a HUGE payday. I'd cross him off our list today.

[Am2626]

How about Vooch for Kuminga? Vooch is an expiring 22m contract this year and he could fit pretty well with GSW. Kuminga is out of the rotation with GSW so his value is at a low. He’s a very talented prospect and would fit nicely with the Bulls core of Matas, Giddey, and Coby White.

Kuminga is a RFA, which will make the logistics hard if we can't afford to make an offer that he'd sign. I used to want him, but his defense isn't great and his 3 ball is below average. Sorta gives me Randle vibes. If we had an elite defensive C, I might be more inclined.

Can’t a sign and trade be worked out? The Bulls also could just try to sign him as an RFA. Because he hasn’t been playing he might not get that great of a contract on the open market.

[Am2626]

I live in the Bay Area, and Warriors fans are starting to talk about Kuminga the way Bulls fans talked about Zach -- super talented, but the team often looks and performs worse when he's on the floor. He also is looking for a HUGE payday. I'd cross him off our list today.

Because he hasn’t been playing I don’t think he is going to get the contract he wants. This is a good opportunity to bring in a talent at an affordable price. Good for Kuminga because he will have an opportunity to play a lot in Chicago.

[MrSparkle]

I like Kuminga’s highlights; don’t like him when I’ve watched games. Just classic tunnel vision and falling asleep on defense. Rich man’s Patrick? I dunno… no-go for me. I’m much more interested in scrappy high IQ guys, or just taking fliers on the bargain bin Phillips/Terry farm and seeing if one pans out.

[Salo23]

I live in the Bay Area, and Warriors fans are starting to talk about Kuminga the way Bulls fans talked about Zach -- super talented, but the team often looks and performs worse when he's on the floor. He also is looking for a HUGE payday. I'd cross him off our list today.

It’s obvious their relationship is over. Kerr flat out said be can’t put Kuminga on the floor together with Draymond and Butler, and those 2 aren’t going anywhere.

AK could see this as another Giddey situation and trade for a young former lottery pick collecting DNP’s in the playoffs. Kuminga fits the “shrinking the timeline” narrative AK throws out there as a young player with experience. Depends on what he’s willing to sign for, I don’t see Golden State giving him what he wants, the only team that potentially afford him in free agency is Brooklyn.

I could definitely see a potential sign and trade, we have a ton of pieces that would fit well in Golden State. Vucevic being the obvious bigger salary piece and whatever matching filler to make it work.

I’d also look to acquire Trayce Jackson Davis as he has also fallen out of their rotation completely in favor of Post who can shoot 3’s, as TJD fits the mold of athletic rim running big that could flourish with Giddey.

[Infinity2152]

I live in the Bay Area, and Warriors fans are starting to talk about Kuminga the way Bulls fans talked about Zach -- super talented, but the team often looks and performs worse when he's on the floor. He also is looking for a HUGE payday. I'd cross him off our list today.

It’s obvious their relationship is over. Kerr flat out said be can’t put Kuminga on the floor together with Draymond and Butler, and those 2 aren’t going anywhere.

AK could see this as another Giddey situation and trade for a young former lottery pick collecting DNP’s in the playoffs. Kuminga fits the “shrinking the timeline” narrative AK throws out there as a young player with experience. Depends on what he’s willing to sign for, I don’t see Golden State giving him what he wants, the only team that potentially afford him in free agency is Brooklyn.

I could definitely see a potential sign and trade, we have a ton of pieces that would fit well in Golden State. Vucevic being the obvious bigger salary piece and whatever matching filler to make it work.

I’d also look to acquire Trayce Jackson Davis as he has also fallen out of their rotation completely in favor of Post who can shoot 3’s, as TJD fits the mold of athletic rim running big that could flourish with Giddey.

Very good point! Don't know much about Kuminga outside his stats, but the situation does seem a lot like Giddey's. He didn't have the best rep coming over, lot of people bashed him because he got benched in the playoffs. Taking that chance is paying off in spades. Don't think he gets a huge payday, regardless of what he wants, unless Brooklyn makes it. What could the Warriors realistically expect in a sign and trade, after they benched him? Wouldn't send a single pick, though.

[Infinity2152]

I live in the Bay Area, and Warriors fans are starting to talk about Kuminga the way Bulls fans talked about Zach -- super talented, but the team often looks and performs worse when he's on the floor. He also is looking for a HUGE payday. I'd cross him off our list today.

It’s obvious their relationship is over. Kerr flat out said be can’t put Kuminga on the floor together with Draymond and Butler, and those 2 aren’t going anywhere.

AK could see this as another Giddey situation and trade for a young former lottery pick collecting DNP’s in the playoffs. Kuminga fits the “shrinking the timeline” narrative AK throws out there as a young player with experience. Depends on what he’s willing to sign for, I don’t see Golden State giving him what he wants, the only team that potentially afford him in free agency is Brooklyn.

I could definitely see a potential sign and trade, we have a ton of pieces that would fit well in Golden State. Vucevic being the obvious bigger salary piece and whatever matching filler to make it work.

I’d also look to acquire Trayce Jackson Davis as he has also fallen out of their rotation completely in favor of Post who can shoot 3’s, as TJD fits the mold of athletic rim running big that could flourish with Giddey.

Very good point! Don't know much about Kuminga outside his stats, but the situation does seem a lot like Giddey's. He didn't have the best rep coming over, lot of people bashed him because he got benched in the playoffs. Taking that chance is paying off in spades. Don't think he gets a huge payday, regardless of what he wants, unless Brooklyn makes it. What could the Warriors realistically expect in a sign and trade, after they benched him? Wouldn't send a single pick, though.

[sco]

I live in the Bay Area, and Warriors fans are starting to talk about Kuminga the way Bulls fans talked about Zach -- super talented, but the team often looks and performs worse when he's on the floor. He also is looking for a HUGE payday. I'd cross him off our list today.

It’s obvious their relationship is over. Kerr flat out said be can’t put Kuminga on the floor together with Draymond and Butler, and those 2 aren’t going anywhere.

AK could see this as another Giddey situation and trade for a young former lottery pick collecting DNP’s in the playoffs. Kuminga fits the “shrinking the timeline” narrative AK throws out there as a young player with experience. Depends on what he’s willing to sign for, I don’t see Golden State giving him what he wants, the only team that potentially afford him in free agency is Brooklyn.

I could definitely see a potential sign and trade, we have a ton of pieces that would fit well in Golden State. Vucevic being the obvious bigger salary piece and whatever matching filler to make it work.

I’d also look to acquire Trayce Jackson Davis as he has also fallen out of their rotation completely in favor of Post who can shoot 3’s, as TJD fits the mold of athletic rim running big that could flourish with Giddey.

Very good point! Don't know much about Kuminga outside his stats, but the situation does seem a lot like Giddey's. He didn't have the best rep coming over, lot of people bashed him because he got benched in the playoffs. Taking that chance is paying off in spades. Don't think he gets a huge payday, regardless of what he wants, unless Brooklyn makes it. What could the Warriors realistically expect in a sign and trade, after they benched him? Wouldn't send a single pick, though.

So how would the S&T work logistically. GS puts in the QO. Then what? I think the most we could offer in the non-tax MLE right? So nobody else would need to better that, right? Then what?

[Infinity2152]

It’s obvious their relationship is over. Kerr flat out said be can’t put Kuminga on the floor together with Draymond and Butler, and those 2 aren’t going anywhere.

AK could see this as another Giddey situation and trade for a young former lottery pick collecting DNP’s in the playoffs. Kuminga fits the “shrinking the timeline” narrative AK throws out there as a young player with experience. Depends on what he’s willing to sign for, I don’t see Golden State giving him what he wants, the only team that potentially afford him in free agency is Brooklyn.

I could definitely see a potential sign and trade, we have a ton of pieces that would fit well in Golden State. Vucevic being the obvious bigger salary piece and whatever matching filler to make it work.

I’d also look to acquire Trayce Jackson Davis as he has also fallen out of their rotation completely in favor of Post who can shoot 3’s, as TJD fits the mold of athletic rim running big that could flourish with Giddey.

Very good point! Don't know much about Kuminga outside his stats, but the situation does seem a lot like Giddey's. He didn't have the best rep coming over, lot of people bashed him because he got benched in the playoffs. Taking that chance is paying off in spades. Don't think he gets a huge payday, regardless of what he wants, unless Brooklyn makes it. What could the Warriors realistically expect in a sign and trade, after they benched him? Wouldn't send a single pick, though.

So how would the S&T work logistically. GS puts in the QO. Then what? I think the most we could offer in the non-tax MLE right? So nobody else would need to better that, right? Then what?

Kuminga hits the market. Brooklyn doesn't make an offer. Nobody else has money. GS doesn't want him.

They talk to AK, say we'll sign and trade Kuminga to $20 mill AAV and trade him for Vucevic. AK agrees. Kuminga agrees. We never had to make Kuminga an offer, so our cap space doesn't matter. GS absolutely loses if he leaves in FA and they get nothing back. They have no cap space to replace his contributions.

If GS doesn't want him, they should be contacting every team trying to find the best S&T. With nobody having cap space to make a legit offer, Think GS has to actively seek S&T's offers, instead of waiting for them to come, because they're not coming.

Not saying Kuminga for Vuc straight up would be the deal, but that's how it's going to go with some team. Not just him, Naz Reid, Giddey, all the top free agents, nobody has money to make great offers except Brooklyn. Nobody has money to make Myles Turner or Julius Randle a serious offer.

[Infinity2152]

This NBA free agency is going to be wild. Basically of the top 10 or so available players, whoever Brooklyn goes after wins. Everybody else either stays with the same team and/or likely get a lot less than they would get if more teams had money.

The Bulls are currently third in projected cap space, with 136.2 allocated out. Detroit second with $128.9. Brooklyn first with only 68.4 allocated. We don't have the money to make good offers, and we have the third most cap space, lol. Pistons could probably clear some space, they have a few cap holds, but Shroeder, THJ, Paul Reed and Malik Beasley are free agents, so don't see them spending a lot of outside money.

If anybody wants to see it:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/apron/_/year/2025

[Jcool0]

Other then trading for Sabonis not sure AK could make a worse move then trading for Kuminga.

[2weekswithpay]

Kuminga wanted a max contract and rejected a 5 years 150M extension last summer. I don't see the appeal in him as a player, and I don't want to overpay to get him.

[Donkedave]

This NBA free agency is going to be wild. Basically of the top 10 or so available players, whoever Brooklyn goes after wins. Everybody else either stays with the same team and/or likely get a lot less than they would get if more teams had money.

The Bulls are currently third in projected cap space, with 136.2 allocated out. Detroit second with $128.9. Brooklyn first with only 68.4 allocated. We don't have the money to make good offers, and we have the third most cap space, lol. Pistons could probably clear some space, they have a few cap holds, but Shroeder, THJ, Paul Reed and Malik Beasley are free agents, so don't see them spending a lot of outside money.

If anybody wants to see it:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/apron/_/year/2025

How much you think Thomas is getting paid?

[Infinity2152]

This NBA free agency is going to be wild. Basically of the top 10 or so available players, whoever Brooklyn goes after wins. Everybody else either stays with the same team and/or likely get a lot less than they would get if more teams had money.

The Bulls are currently third in projected cap space, with 136.2 allocated out. Detroit second with $128.9. Brooklyn first with only 68.4 allocated. We don't have the money to make good offers, and we have the third most cap space, lol. Pistons could probably clear some space, they have a few cap holds, but Shroeder, THJ, Paul Reed and Malik Beasley are free agents, so don't see them spending a lot of outside money.

If anybody wants to see it:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/apron/_/year/2025

How much you think Thomas is getting paid?

Thomas who?

And Kuminga was an idiot for turning down $5yrs/$150 mill. there's no way for him to get even close to that without Brooklyn making a over market offer or GS be willing to take that much cap back in a S&T. He can't even get a 5 year contract from another team. Caleb martin made the same mistake, turned down $5yrs/$65 mill from the Heat, ended up getting 4 yrs/$32 mill from 76'ers. Going to be hard for Kuminga to see more than $20 mill AAV this offseason, imo.

We're talking about for Vucevic. Like I said not familiar with Kuminga outside his stats look good, but I know the general opinion of Vuc in here. So Kuminga's a worse option for this team than Vucevic for the same money? Kuminga's so bad, y'all prefer another year with Vucevic likely starting?

This summer, we got Lebron, Van Fleet, Kyrie, Harden, Middleton, Julius Randle, John Collins with player options, then Lopez, Capela, Bruce Brown, Brogdon, myles turner, Naz Reid, D' Angelo Russell, Bagley and a lot more fighting for the same tiny amount of free cap. There may be quite a few players we could swing Vucevic in a sign and trade, that's the only way a lot of these guys can get paid unless they stay where their at.

[MGB8]

An interesting move for the Bulls if they wanted to go “win now” would be to trade 3 out of the 4 of Vuc, Collins,
Huerter & Pat. Beal makes 53.66 M next year, and the later 3’s combined salaries are just over 54, sub in Vuc gets you 57.5 M (so Phoenix likely would want to add in salary).

Let’s say the trade is for Huerter, Pat, Collins and a 2nd rounder, and Beal accepts the trade. They shed 36 million in cap the following year, and maybe some could be moved to a 3rd team this season (Huerter to Brooklyn for a TPE?) - and any extra gain in lux tax savings then. Bulls move off Pat, Suns try to rehab him.

Meanwhile, Bulls put Beal at the SG and move Coby to the 3rd guard, draft a C, waive Carter, resign Jones, THT. Roster:

G: Beal, Coby
G/W: Ball, Ayo, Jones, Terry
F/W: Giddey, (Ball), (Terry), THT
F: Matas, Phillips, (Giddey), (THT), (draft pick)
C: Vuc, Smith, draft pick

If Beal’s reduced output on the Suns is less age (hasn’t turned 32) and more being 3rd banana, Bulls might be notably stronger in the short term with such a move, though more D at the 5 would still be a must.

Could even see AKME subbing Vuc for Collins, adding Ayo (or Carter) and taking back Royce O’Neale (and taking away the 2nd rounder, if Ayo).

[MGB8]

This NBA free agency is going to be wild. Basically of the top 10 or so available players, whoever Brooklyn goes after wins. Everybody else either stays with the same team and/or likely get a lot less than they would get if more teams had money.

The Bulls are currently third in projected cap space, with 136.2 allocated out. Detroit second with $128.9. Brooklyn first with only 68.4 allocated. We don't have the money to make good offers, and we have the third most cap space, lol. Pistons could probably clear some space, they have a few cap holds, but Shroeder, THJ, Paul Reed and Malik Beasley are free agents, so don't see them spending a lot of outside money.

If anybody wants to see it:

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/apron/_/year/2025

How much you think Thomas is getting paid?

Thomas who?

And Kuminga was an idiot for turning down $5yrs/$150 mill. there's no way for him to get even close to that without Brooklyn making a over market offer or GS be willing to take that much cap back in a S&T. He can't even get a 5 year contract from another team. Caleb martin made the same mistake, turned down $5yrs/$65 mill from the Heat, ended up getting 4 yrs/$32 mill from 76'ers. Going to be hard for Kuminga to see more than $20 mill AAV this offseason, imo.

We're talking about for Vucevic. Like I said not familiar with Kuminga outside his stats look good, but I know the general opinion of Vuc in here. So Kuminga's a worse option for this team than Vucevic for the same money? Kuminga's so bad, y'all prefer another year with Vucevic likely starting?

Cam Thomas, likely. RFA. Younger and slightly better stats than Coby.