Which Trio would you prefer?

PMONSTER · Post #41 » by **PMONSTER** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 3:18 am

DRoseCantStop wrote:Rose/Melo/Asik

Championship baby!

Me: Thibs still coaching?
Someone: Yup
Me: Championship

chadrucf · Post #42 » by **chadrucf** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 3:18 am

Polynice4Pippen wrote:
chadrucf wrote:
Polynice4Pippen wrote:

Do you disagree with the statement or this specific example?

Both.

Does that mean you don't value other offensive skills? The comment implies that it's not only scoring ability that gives someone offensive ability.

chadrucf · Post #43 » by **chadrucf** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 3:19 am

Bosco7414 wrote:
chadrucf wrote:
Bosco7414 wrote: u failed 2 add Boozer contract .... The totals are closer than u suggest.... And the lineup wit Melo in it makes bulls better team

1. This is a discussion of the trios.

2. Boozer would add the same amount to either team.
Boozer Wudnt still be here if we took in Melos money

You don't have any backing for this assertion.

JamesEarlCash · Post #44 » by **JamesEarlCash** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 3:19 am

AJB wrote:
JamesEarlCash wrote:Except Butler is looked at by the FO as a 2 and considering he was a 1st round pick, he would have to "emerge" at some point. Having Rose and Melo would actually have given him more playing opportunities since he wouldn't have been as highly relied upon.

Unless you are trying to use Deng's injury proneness to your advantage in which case I would have to LOL

Seeing as Amar'e, Lin, and others got worse playing with Carmelo, I doubt it.

Hell the Bulls probably would have traded the pick (30th) in the Carmelo trade.

That's the problem with revisionist history.

yes Lin and staudemire got worse with Melo. Guess what, the Knicks were better without them this past season. oops!

Noah and Deng combined would have made up almost all of the demands. Regardless, the exersize is to see how the fanbase overvalues Noah and Deng and undervalues players who are on a team they dislike even though they are a top player. Not even mentioning retaining Asik

chadrucf · Post #45 » by **chadrucf** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 3:19 am

dice wrote:you guys do realize asik was a relatively untested rookie 2nd round pick when melo was on the market, right? trading noah and deng for melo was a much bigger risk at the time

This too. But let's not think about the actual decision, just the revisionist decision.

JamesEarlCash · Post #46 » by **JamesEarlCash** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 3:21 am

Bosco7414 wrote:
JamesEarlCash wrote:
chadrucf wrote:
1. This is a discussion of the trios.

2. Boozer would add the same amount to either team.

Asik wouldn't have the same contract as he does now, be it salary or structure.
yes he wud have he signed and offer sheet and wud have had 2 match it...

No because they would have signed him to an extension before he hit the open market.

JamesEarlCash · Post #47 » by **JamesEarlCash** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 3:24 am

dice wrote:you guys do realize asik was a relatively untested rookie 2nd round pick when melo was on the market, right? trading noah and deng for melo was a much bigger risk at the time

They trusted him enough to finish out games, including in the playoffs. He and Gibson were our two bigmen to finish most games because of the way they clamped the paint.

Polynice4Pippen · Post #48 » by **Polynice4Pippen** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 3:37 am

JamesEarlCash wrote:
Polynice4Pippen wrote:
JamesEarlCash wrote:"scoring ability" and offensive ability are the same thing.

never mind. I forgot. Scoring is on the defensive side of the ball. Or since he isn't a LeBron-like passer he doesn't fit any offense at all and wouldn't do anything playing with Rose since the Knicks didn't even finish top 3 in offensive efficiency or anyhting. He doesn't have LeBron like passing so he cant fit with Rose or on the Bulls with their bad offense since the Knicks didn't finish 3rd in offensive efficiency

"LeBron like passing"? Melo doesn't have Asik like passing. There's a reason he comes up short in the playoffs year after year and he constantly underperforms. 4 guys just stand around and watch Melo try and score to a tune of 42%. And his 3 playoff runs with the Knicks: 38%, 42%, 41%.

LobosJordan · Post #49 » by **LobosJordan** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 3:46 am

Rose, Melo and Asik

Post #50 » by **kingkirk** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 3:50 am

Rose, Deng, Noah.

More balance, less nonsense and better off financially with more availability to do more with the roster.

Melo and Rose would take up 70-75% of the cap depending on the year.

chitownsalesmen · Post #51 » by **chitownsalesmen** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 3:52 am

Rose/Melo/Asik easy.

dice · Post #52 » by **dice** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 3:52 am

JamesEarlCash wrote:
dice wrote:you guys do realize asik was a relatively untested rookie 2nd round pick when melo was on the market, right? trading noah and deng for melo was a much bigger risk at the time

They trusted him enough to finish out games, including in the playoffs. He and Gibson were our two bigmen to finish most games because of the way they clamped the paint.

finishing a game when your team has a lead is different from playing big minutes. and asik fouled at a high rate his rookie year

ChicagoStrong · Post #53 » by **ChicagoStrong** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 3:53 am

JamesEarlCash wrote:yes Lin and staudemire got worse with Melo. Guess what, the Knicks were better without them this past season. oops!

Noah and Deng combined would have made up almost all of the demands. Regardless, the exersize is to see how the fanbase overvalues Noah and Deng and undervalues players who are on a team they dislike even though they are a top player. Not even mentioning retaining Asik

And the Bulls got as far as the Knicks this past season. The Second Round.

And consider the Knicks were a .500 team after December, they weren't that good.

dkg1 · Post #54 » by **dkg1** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 3:55 am

I voted for rose/melo/asik. I think this current group has already gone as far as they're gonna go as a group and that other teams like the Pacers have gained ground or passed us. My vote was more against the status quo than a vote in favor of Melo/Omer/DR

nitetrain8603 · Post #55 » by **nitetrain8603** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 3:57 am

KingCuban wrote:Rose, Deng, Noah.

More balance, less nonsense and better off financially with more availability to do more with the roster.

Melo and Rose would take up 70-75% of the cap depending on the year.

Spoken like Paxson and JR. Cap be damned.

And more balance? Are you kidding me? Rose can score in that trio and that's it. Deng is declining every year offensively. And for a guy with great defense, he sure as hell gets lit up by LeBron quite often. Maybe I need to balance out my posting by going to the General Board more, because Bulls fans have officially gone crazy when it comes to overvaluing our players. I thought it was bad in the 3 C's days, but my god.

Post #56 » by **kingkirk** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 4:02 am

nitetrain8603 wrote:
Spoken like Paxson and JR. Cap be damned.

And more balance? Are you kidding me? Rose can score in that trio and that's it. Deng is declining every year offensively. And for a guy with great defense, he sure as hell gets lit up by LeBron quite often. Maybe I need to balance out my posting by going to the General Board more, because Bulls fans have officially gone crazy when it comes to overvaluing our players. I thought it was bad in the 3 C's days, but my god.

There is more balance offensively and defensively with that trio, as well as more flexibility to fill out a roster with the trio of Deng, Rose & Jo imo.

Look at New York now. They have Amare and Melo making 45 million between them. The cap is 58. What players do you expect to bring in that will make that team a contender?

Omer is a nice player, but he is still inept offensively.

Carmelo doesn't make his team any better, and whilst he has incredible offensive skills, his brain at times stops him from being as good as he can.

You can confuse me as some that has gone crazy or overvalues our players, but you would be wrong.

I will see you on the GB then...

ryan44 · Post #57 » by **ryan44** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 4:06 am

KingCuban wrote:
nitetrain8603 wrote:
Spoken like Paxson and JR. Cap be damned.

And more balance? Are you kidding me? Rose can score in that trio and that's it. Deng is declining every year offensively. And for a guy with great defense, he sure as hell gets lit up by LeBron quite often. Maybe I need to balance out my posting by going to the General Board more, because Bulls fans have officially gone crazy when it comes to overvaluing our players. I thought it was bad in the 3 C's days, but my god.

There is more balance offensively and defensively with that trio, as well as more flexibility to fill out a roster with the trio of Deng, Rose & Jo imo.

Look at New York now. They have Amare and Melo making 45 million between them. The cap is 58. What players do you expect to bring in that will make that team a contender?

Omer is a nice player, but he is still inept offensively.

Carmelo doesn't make his team any better, and whilst he has incredible offensive skills, his brain at times stops him from being as good as he can.

You can confuse me as some that has gone crazy or overvalues our players, but you would be wrong.

I will see you on the GB then...

That's easy to do when "doesn't share my opinion of which trio is better" = "gone crazy with overvaluing our players." According to the OP, any argument that doesn't agree with his position is biased, whereas all his arguments are apparently unbiased.

chadrucf · Post #58 » by **chadrucf** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 4:06 am

nitetrain8603 wrote:And more balance? Are you kidding me?

As a ridiculous oversimplification of the players:

Rose/Deng/Noah = All offense/Offense+Defense/Offense+Defense

Rose/Anthony/Asik = All offense/All offense/ All defense

Of all the arguments, team balance is not in favor of the hypothetical trio.

nitetrain8603 · Post #59 » by **nitetrain8603** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 4:07 am

KingCuban wrote:
nitetrain8603 wrote:
Spoken like Paxson and JR. Cap be damned.

And more balance? Are you kidding me? Rose can score in that trio and that's it. Deng is declining every year offensively. And for a guy with great defense, he sure as hell gets lit up by LeBron quite often. Maybe I need to balance out my posting by going to the General Board more, because Bulls fans have officially gone crazy when it comes to overvaluing our players. I thought it was bad in the 3 C's days, but my god.

There is more balance offensively and defensively with that trio, as well as more flexibility to fill out a roster with the trio of Deng, Rose & Jo imo.

Look at New York now. They have Amare and Melo making 45 million between them. The cap is 58. What players do you expect to bring in that will make that team a contender?

Omer is a nice player, but he is still inept offensively.

Carmelo doesn't make his team any better, and whilst he has incredible offensive skills, his brain at times stops him from being as good as he can.

You can confuse me as some that has gone crazy or overvalues our players, but you would be wrong.

I will see you on the GB then...

It's not balanced at all. And it's very inconsistent offensively. And it'll get burned by Miami, specifically LeBron more often without hurting them whatsoever. I could care less about Amare and Melo, because Amare wouldn't come with Melo and because Amare's problems are health.

Rose and Melo can get their shot off against anyone they want and will consistently get you buckets. Rose and Melo routinely outplay their opponents. Asik wreaks havoc on the boards and would have the same impact as Noah against Miami.

JamesEarlCash · Post #60 » by **JamesEarlCash** » Sat Jul 6, 2013 4:09 am

chadrucf wrote:
nitetrain8603 wrote:And more balance? Are you kidding me?

As a ridiculous oversimplification of the players:

Rose/Deng/Noah = All offense/Offense+Defense/Offense+Defense

Rose/Anthony/Asik = All offense/All offense/ All defense

Of all the arguments, team balance is not in favor of the hypothetical trio.

ridiculous is right. Rose isn't "all offense." If he is all offense Deng (ESPECIALLY) and Noah are all defense. LOL at attributing offense to Deng.

Which one?