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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#41 » by League Circles » Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:43 pm

Red Larrivee wrote:Deng isn't re-signing for $10 mllion per year.

A no-trade clause would be idiotic. He's Luol Deng, not Kobe Bryant.

A wise organization wouldn't assume that to be 100% certain. If he's left with only an offer to play in Cleveland "nobody ever went on vacation to Cleveland" Ohio for $12 million per year, and the Bulls offer him $10 mil a year with a no-trade clause, maybe he takes that. Then they've saved 4 million per year vs what he's wanting to extend right now. That would be a huge plus for the Bulls. I don't really understand the notion that only superstar players should get no-trade clauses. Any player that is likely to be a rotation quality player for the life of a contract (which Deng surely projects to be) should be considered for a no-trade clause if they are eligible (few are per the CBA), as long as the discount over their market rate is enough to justify it. It's the same reason other financial instruments can be better deals with more commitment. Flexibility costs money. It's not something I'm suggesting they would throw at him for no reason as a perk of some sorts. I envision the Bulls making two offers. One with a no-trade clause, and one without one for probably 3 million more per year. A no-trade clause is also a major respect and prestige thing for players. Deng would go down as the longest tenured player ever for one of the most storied franchises in the NBA.

Just because it is very unlikely he'd resign for 10 million doesn't mean it should be discounted by Bulls management. That's just bad business. Simply put, the Bulls have ZERO incentive to re-sign him now, and Deng only has incentive to re-sign now if it's for like 15 million a year. If the Bulls can draft Parker or Wiggins by chance, surely they have more leverage to get Deng at a lower price. It's easy to project that Deng will have 15 mil per year offers now, and of course that is the likely outcome. But if he misses enough games this year due to injury, and/or his potential suitors maybe have unexpected alternative options, and/or Deng secretly is desperate to stay here for personal reasons, well any of those could bring about the small chance that the Bulls get him as a bargain. If the Bulls are secretly willing to pay basically whatever it takes for him up to like 16 mil a year or so, which I think is somewhat likely, they would have no fears going into the summer, and it wouldn't bother them that getting Deng at a much cheaper rate is a long shot. No way the Bulls lose on that strategy. The absolute worst case scenario is that somebody offers him an obscene 17-18 million per year or something and we missed out on having a 4th rookie next year with the mid first rounder we could have traded for him. Big deal. We could probably sign a better player than the rookie with the cap space anyway.
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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#42 » by MalikJoakim24 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:44 pm

Looks at source... Sees its BSPN... Its the exact opposite of what they report... He gone

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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#43 » by IcemanGervin » Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:46 pm

I don't want Deng back for any amount of money, I am sorry but we should move on.
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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#44 » by burlydee » Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:46 pm

The Bulls lack of imagination is a thing to behold.

Losing Deng for nothing would be an unforgiveable blunder. The writing is on the wall. If the Bulls are getting trade offers, and it seems like they are, and they don't bite by the deadline, and than lose him for nothing... I'll be pretty upset. Given Deng's injury history I'd trade him the moment he could walk.
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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#45 » by bad knees » Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:47 pm

Evil_Headband wrote:The FO future plan seems very apparent. Re-sign Deng, amnesty Boozer, bring over Mirotic, hope Rose is healthy. I'm on board with this.


Bingo. And this is, by far, the best road to a championship in the next five years. There is risk with all options. This is the best option in terms of risk and reward. Bulls will end up paying Luol 5yrs/13 million per year on a declining contract, and it will be good.
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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#46 » by kdapiton » Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:47 pm

I'm cool with it if we don't overpay him -shrug-
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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#47 » by JasonFTW » Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:49 pm

Nah.... this **** is just a smokescreen fellas, we're trading him. Yup... trading him. Oh who am I'm kidding the FO is keepin' his *** :x
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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#48 » by Red Larrivee » Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:54 pm

Gar Paxdorf wrote:A wise organization wouldn't assume that to be 100% certain. If he's left with only an offer to play in Cleveland "nobody ever went on vacation to Cleveland" Ohio for $12 million per year, and the Bulls offer him $10 mil a year with a no-trade clause, maybe he takes that. Then they've saved 4 million per year vs what he's wanting to extend right now. That would be a huge plus for the Bulls.


It wouldn't be the strangest thing to happen for Deng to take higher annual salary over more years. There's really no reason for Deng to take $10M/per unless he gets no type of love on the open market. A team gave Josh Smith $54 million over four years, just saying.

I don't really understand the notion that only superstar players should get no-trade clauses.


Because they're superstar players. Even then, no-trade clauses in the NBA are rare and typically not given out. Of course they can be waived down the line with the player's consent, but by giving them the clause you're giving them veto power over any potential trade. That's not a great idea unless they are a LeBron James type talent.

Luol Deng does not deserve or need a NTC. It would be a terrible idea by the Bulls to do so given his injury history and non-elite play. Hell, the Bulls are taking a big chance right now by not trading Deng. He has an achilles injury. What if he ends up tearing the achilles and missing the rest of the season?

Then what?
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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#49 » by DanTown8587 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:58 pm

Cleveland is going to be desperate to win. Chris Grant has been there since 2010 and besides Kyrie, he's been downright bad with top draft picks and FA signings. If Cleveland misses out on LeBron and other impact FA, of course Grant is going to overpay Deng on the argument that Deng will give them veteran leadership and instill a work ethic, etc.

When you look at bad deals, it's almost always GMs who NEED to win or owners trying to sell a team. That's really the problem with Deng; he's going to get at least 100% of his value and then you're weighing the value of keeping him at an unfriendly number versus losing him.

If you trade him, you at least don't put yourself into a tough situation. You just can't keep Deng, Taj, and Noah. Someone HAS to go in that situation.
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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#50 » by Red Larrivee » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:01 pm

DanTown8587 wrote:Cleveland is going to be desperate to win. Chris Grant has been there since 2010 and besides Kyrie, he's been downright bad with top draft picks and FA signings. If Cleveland misses out on LeBron and other impact FA, of course Grant is going to overpay Deng on the argument that Deng will give them veteran leadership and instill a work ethic, etc.

When you look at bad deals, it's almost always GMs who NEED to win or owners trying to sell a team. That's really the problem with Deng; he's going to get at least 100% of his value and then you're weighing the value of keeping him at an unfriendly number versus losing him.

If you trade him, you at least don't put yourself into a tough situation. You just can't keep Deng, Taj, and Noah. Someone HAS to go in that situation.


These guys are going to be desperate too if they miss out on Carmelo or LeBron:

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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#51 » by Axl Rose » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:04 pm

i hope this is just to boost his value

but this is the bulls....its not the first time they let guys walk for nothing
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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#52 » by Godzilla039 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:04 pm

Eventually Deng will end up carrying us to a few extra wins and hurt our draft position. Seems like by the end of the season we'll either re-sign him for more than everyone expects or he'll walk for nothing.

Wish we would trade Deng/Dunlevy & maximize our lotto potential, but it just doesn't seem like that's how the FO operates.
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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#53 » by BigUps » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:10 pm

We're either trying to boost his trade value or we're losing negotiation power when trying to resign Deng. This smells like Omer all over again.
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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#54 » by SpinninHouse » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:11 pm

Evil_Headband wrote:The FO future plan seems very apparent. Re-sign Deng, amnesty Boozer, bring over Mirotic, hope Rose is healthy. I'm on board with this.


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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#55 » by DroppinDimes » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:12 pm

I hope the report is not true. It makes no sense to keep him. If it is true:

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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#56 » by shugknight » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:15 pm

The way I look at it:

The headlines the past few years the Bulls Management did NOT want to trade Deng:

"Bulls are listening to offers."
"Deng for Player A, B, C"

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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#57 » by DuckIII » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:15 pm

BigUps wrote:We're either trying to boost his trade value or we're losing negotiation power when trying to resign Deng. This smells like Omer all over again.


The Bulls negotiating power with Deng is in the tank. He's playing great, he's coming off 2 allstar appearances, coaches love him, he plays a position of need for several teams projected to have space, and most importantly:

If he ever had any incentive to take a discount, it was based not on being a Chicago lifer, but on staying to play with Rose and chase titles. Deng is likely to find other destinations more attractive from even a straight competitiveness standpoint.
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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#58 » by TruthSerum » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:16 pm

We're forgetting about the Rose factor. He's made his position clear and there are no guarantees in the rebuilding game. Like it or not, Rose is our bread and butter and his money can walk if da Bulls fail to become legitimate contenders in 3 short years.
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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#59 » by BigUps » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:21 pm

DuckIII wrote:
BigUps wrote:We're either trying to boost his trade value or we're losing negotiation power when trying to resign Deng. This smells like Omer all over again.


The Bulls negotiating power with Deng is in the tank. He's playing great, he's coming off 2 allstar appearances, coaches love him, he plays a position of need for several teams projected to have space, and most importantly:

If he ever had any incentive to take a discount, it was based not on being a Chicago lifer, but on staying to play with Rose and chase titles. Deng is likely to find other destinations more attractive from even a straight competitiveness standpoint.


Couldn't agree more. That's why IMO we have to trade him, there are no other options. If we want him back THAT badly then we resign him after the season. Not trading him is playing with fire and we've been burned once by that flame.
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Re: ESPN: Bulls "determined" to NOT trade Deng 

Post#60 » by blumeany » Fri Dec 20, 2013 4:22 pm

Not trading Deng: stupid
Re-signing Deng: moronic
Letting him walk for nothing: sinful

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