*UPDATE* Deeks article: How to offer Melo $20M, keep Taj etc

[BrooklynBulls]

Oh wow, the Knicks get Snell too? /green. They can save even more money by letting Melo walk and not having Kirk's contract on their books.

"Moving the goal posts?" The bottom line is that idea in the OP isn't very realistic. The premise is basically "hope the Knicks accept our crap assets so that we can offer Melo a contract in line with his demands (basically the one factor keeping the Knicks in play to re-sign him) while keeping our quality assets."

Sacramento's pick is top 10 protected for the next 3 years. As much as they suck, they're going to accidentally not finish in the bottom 10 once in the next 3 years. That's a likelihood. That's a midround pick. Cleveland's pick is a lotto-protected 2015 swap, so if we finish 30th cuz we're so great, it's pretty unlikely that Cleveland is finishing nearly as impressively unless LeBron is back. That's approximately a 15th-25th pick. Then in 2017 we can offer an unprotected first. 2017. Can Rose's knees hold up? Is Noah declining? Did Melo? 2017 is a very long time, and in no way is that guaranteed to be a late first.

That's three first round picks that aren't just not "25th-30th" picks, but 2 of which that very realistically could be LOTTERY picks. We also offer salary relief, a sizable TPE, an expiring in Kirk, and a low-level prospect in Snell.

It doesn't really matter if you think it's crap, because it's pretty demonstrably not crap, and if at all possible, I'd like to keep as many of those assets as we can.

Forgive me for not being confident in the Sacramento Kings and Cleveland Cavaliers playing any kind of winning basketball.

I hope not. I hope if we give those picks up they totally suck and amount to nothing, ever. But if you parse out the likelihoods, they're likely to give you three firsts within the next 3 years, all probably in the 11-25 range as my best guess. It's not nothing. The worst case scenario is it's 2 firsts in the 25-30 range. Best case is an 11th pick, a 15th pick, and hell if everything implodes by 2017, a top 5 pick.

[aaqubed]

Oh wow, the Knicks get Snell too? /green. They can save even more money by letting Melo walk and not having Kirk's contract on their books.

"Moving the goal posts?" The bottom line is that idea in the OP isn't very realistic. The premise is basically "hope the Knicks accept our crap assets so that we can offer Melo a contract in line with his demands (basically the one factor keeping the Knicks in play to re-sign him) while keeping our quality assets."

Sacramento's pick is top 10 protected for the next 3 years. As much as they suck, they're going to accidentally not finish in the bottom 10 once in the next 3 years. That's a likelihood. That's a midround pick. Cleveland's pick is a lotto-protected 2015 swap, so if we finish 30th cuz we're so great, it's pretty unlikely that Cleveland is finishing nearly as impressively unless LeBron is back. That's approximately a 15th-25th pick. Then in 2017 we can offer an unprotected first. 2017. Can Rose's knees hold up? Is Noah declining? Did Melo? 2017 is a very long time, and in no way is that guaranteed to be a late first.

That's three first round picks that aren't just not "25th-30th" picks, but 2 of which that very realistically could be LOTTERY picks. We also offer salary relief, a sizable TPE, an expiring in Kirk, and a low-level prospect in Snell.

It doesn't really matter if you think it's crap, because it's pretty demonstrably not crap, and if at all possible, I'd like to keep as many of those assets as we can.

Forgive me for not being confident in the Sacramento Kings and Cleveland Cavaliers playing any kind of winning basketball.

The Cavs don't exactly need to play "winning basketball" to make the playoffs in the East. If we get Melo, there's us, Miami, Indiana, Washington, Toronto, and Charlotte. Brooklyn is old, and no one else is clearly that much better than the Cavs right now (particularly now that they got rid of Mike Brown). Wiggins should be able to come in and be a good defender right off the bat, so they should improve on that end.

And the Kings had I think the 7th worst record this year, it's not a stretch to think that they could improve by 4 spots in the next three years.

[MrFortune3]

I'm going to cum...

My thoughts exactly.

[Payt10]

Is Mark Deeks Sham? and why did he create a new user name?

[organix85]

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[FORMIDABULLS]

Oh wow, the Knicks get Snell too? /green. They can save even more money by letting Melo walk and not having Kirk's contract on their books.

"Moving the goal posts?" The bottom line is that idea in the OP isn't very realistic. The premise is basically "hope the Knicks accept our crap assets so that we can offer Melo a contract in line with his demands (basically the one factor keeping the Knicks in play to re-sign him) while keeping our quality assets."

Sacramento's pick is top 10 protected for the next 3 years. As much as they suck, they're going to accidentally not finish in the bottom 10 once in the next 3 years. That's a likelihood. That's a midround pick. Cleveland's pick is a lotto-protected 2015 swap, so if we finish 30th cuz we're so great, it's pretty unlikely that Cleveland is finishing nearly as impressively unless LeBron is back. That's approximately a 15th-25th pick. Then in 2017 we can offer an unprotected first. 2017. Can Rose's knees hold up? Is Noah declining? Did Melo? 2017 is a very long time, and in no way is that guaranteed to be a late first.

That's three first round picks that aren't just not "25th-30th" picks, but 2 of which that very realistically could be LOTTERY picks. We also offer salary relief, a sizable TPE, an expiring in Kirk, and a low-level prospect in Snell.

It doesn't really matter if you think it's crap, because it's pretty demonstrably not crap, and if at all possible, I'd like to keep as many of those assets as we can.

Forgive me for not being confident in the Sacramento Kings and Cleveland Cavaliers playing any kind of winning basketball.

I think there's a chance the Cavs can turn it around with David Blatt who is one of the best in Europe. The East is still pretty weak and there is one less distraction with Kyrie's extension resolved. Blatt's nononsense approach might just be the right fix to get Kyrie and the young guys playing some good basketball.

[il_knicks7]

Chances of the Knicks doing a S&T for Snell are virtually ZERO. Knicks would probably ask for Mcdermot and a future pick at the very least.

If it's Snell or nothing, the Knicks are better off with nothing.

[kristov]

Since the Bulls are over the cap and are using Kirk Hinrich's early bird rights in a sign and trade, he cannot receive a raise greater than 20% otherwise he will be BYC. In your example Hinrich would be BYC so his outgoing salary would be the greater sum between 50% of his new salary or last season's salary of 4.059 million.

To avoid BYC the most Hinrich could make would be 4,059,000 * 120% which would be 4,870,800 so Melo could receive 19,686,660 in your scenario and satisfy the CBA.

[Zartan]

Is Mark Deeks Sham? and why did he create a new user name?

Not sure who this Mark Deeks is but I'm fairly certain Sham passed on from a severe case of gout.

[MarkDeeks]

Chances of the Knicks doing a S&T for Snell are virtually ZERO. Knicks would probably ask for Mcdermot and a future pick at the very least.

If it's Snell or nothing, the Knicks are better off with nothing.

You were getting a pick. This was never about Snell.

[MarkDeeks]

Since the Bulls are over the cap and are using Kirk Hinrich's early bird rights in a sign and trade, he cannot receive a raise greater than 20% otherwise he will be BYC. In your example Hinrich would be BYC so his outgoing salary would be the greater sum between 50% of his new salary or last season's salary of 4.059 million.

To avoid BYC the most Hinrich could make would be 4,059,000 * 120% which would be 4,870,800 so Melo could receive 19,686,660 in your scenario and satisfy the CBA.

OK, so dock Melos pay by $300k. Or add Nazr and increase it by a mil. Always options.

[SlikRik7]

The thing I love about this scenario is that our FO's love affair with Kirk Hinrich finally pays off.

[Droseisthe1]

[Knicksfan20]

Rather you trade us Mcdermott and some picks. Works better for me.

[Ben]

Rather you trade us Mcdermott and some picks. Works better for me.

The funny thing is that before the draft, most people here would probably be deliriously happy to give up #16 and #19 plus some future picks for Melo. In the intervening days I wouldn't be surprised if the usual phenomenon has set in of falling in love with your draftee, and if a bunch of people here would object now to losing McDermott. Not that it matters either way as to what the front offices will do, but it's a funny phenomenon.

[da pmp]

Rather you trade us Mcdermott and some picks. Works better for me.

It's nice to want.. but if the Jazz rumor by Bullslas is true, you'll be lucky to get a 2nd rd pick. Once Melo decides, the Knicks leverage is pretty much toast

[Knicksfan20]

Rather you trade us Mcdermott and some picks. Works better for me.

It's nice to want.. but if the Jazz rumor by Bullslas is true, you'll be lucky to get a 2nd rd pick. Once Melo decides, the Knicks leverage is pretty much toast

I was joking, but you are delusional if you think you are getting Melo for nothing.

[da pmp]

Rather you trade us Mcdermott and some picks. Works better for me.

It's nice to want.. but if the Jazz rumor by Bullslas is true, you'll be lucky to get a 2nd rd pick. Once Melo decides, the Knicks leverage is pretty much toast

I was joking, but you are delusional if you think you are getting Melo for nothing.

I did not say that they are going to get him for nothing. Knicks fans are delusional if they think they are going to pry a couple of future 1st round future picks from the Bulls. I can't recall the last time the Bulls actually gave away a future first. In fact, it's probably decades.

[MarkDeeks]

Rather you trade us Mcdermott and some picks. Works better for me.

It's nice to want.. but if the Jazz rumor by Bullslas is true, you'll be lucky to get a 2nd rd pick. Once Melo decides, the Knicks leverage is pretty much toast

I was joking, but you are delusional if you think you are getting Melo for nothing.

Knicks might lose him for nothing. There's your real talk.

[WinCity]

It's nice to want.. but if the Jazz rumor by Bullslas is true, you'll be lucky to get a 2nd rd pick. Once Melo decides, the Knicks leverage is pretty much toast

I was joking, but you are delusional if you think you are getting Melo for nothing.

Knicks might lose him for nothing. There's your real talk.

Apparently its OK to lose him for nothing in free agency they just can't trade him for exprigin contracts and modest picks because that would ruin everything!