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Which of Niko /Doug impacts more 2014/15? (Option added)

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Which of Doug/Niko has the best year?

Doug McDermott
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Nikola Mirotic
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Re: Which of Niko /Doug impacts more 2014/15? (Option added) 

Post#41 » by Ben » Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:15 am

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Ben wrote:I changed the thread title so that you're not, as others have rightly protested, continuing to shove your unbelievably vile nickname down everyone's throats and hence trolling our board. That's going to stop. You can use it in your sig, but threads such as this one are just attempts to saturate everyone and further your unpopular agenda. Please consider this your final warning on the subject.

So it's OK for mods to troll me and ruin my poll on a legitimate topic? Who cares if I use a nickname I like. The point still stands that it is a good topic. We'll see what Howard Mass thinks.


You clearly do not understand the meaning of the reasonably new verb "troll." Here are a couple of definitions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=troll

You troll the board when you repeatedly start threads on subjects that you know, from previous experience, that the vast majority of people here find infuriatingly stupid. You know, from previous experience, that trying to shove down people's throats a nickname that the vast majority has told you they dislike, will surely derail a thread that could otherwise contain substantive discussion. But you continue to do it. That's trolling.

Mods telling you to stop after many other posters have already told you to stop? That's not trolling you.

You've been warned enough times, and now you're refusing to take that warning. At least take a vacation. And yes, let's see what Howard Mass thinks. Please do get his input.
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Re: Which Drain Duo player has a bigger impact this season? 

Post#42 » by DuckIII » Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:53 pm

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kulaz3000 wrote:Both are going to go through their respective struggles as rookies, but even though Ray is experienced in his own right having been in college for several years, Nikola has the significant edge in terms of playing against much better competition in a league among men and even in the preseason it's showing.

I give the edge to Nikola, at least in year one and then who knows what will happen after they get a season under their belts.

:lol: That Ray nickname makes me laugh every time. Brooks acting like he didn't know who Doug McDermott was. Brooks man, Dougie McBuckets is more well known than you have ever been.


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Re: Which Drain Duo player has a bigger impact this season? 

Post#43 » by johnnyvann840 » Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:00 pm

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Eduardo wrote:
kulaz3000 wrote:Both are going to go through their respective struggles as rookies, but even though Ray is experienced in his own right having been in college for several years, Nikola has the significant edge in terms of playing against much better competition in a league among men and even in the preseason it's showing.

I give the edge to Nikola, at least in year one and then who knows what will happen after they get a season under their belts.

:lol: That Ray nickname makes me laugh every time. Brooks acting like he didn't know who Doug McDermott was. Brooks man, Dougie McBuckets is more well known than you have ever been.


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Re: Which of Niko /Doug impacts more 2014/15? (Option added) 

Post#44 » by DuckIII » Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:01 pm

Regarding the thread topic, hard to tell. I've been saying it would be McDermott because:

(a) I hadn't seen enough of Mirotic and didn't want to speculate; and
(b) I didn't think Mirotic would play much unless a big got injured or Taj was traded.

Now? Still hard to say. But Mirotic looks very talented, capable of playing the 5 in today's NBA, and with Noah's knee, I think he's going to play a lot more than I thought. Additionally, I don't like the way McDirty is being used. At all. Plus he isn't making his shots.

That latter thing doesn't surprise or bother me. I've predicted McDirty would struggle in November and December anyway. The former, about usage, bothers me quite a bit.

So, in sum, I don't know. I'll got with Mirotic simply because he looks more physically talented.
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Re: Which of Niko /Doug impacts more 2014/15? (Option added) 

Post#45 » by sco » Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:26 pm

Wait are we talking about "Pump Fake and Clank"?
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Re: Which of Niko /Doug impacts more 2014/15? (Option added) 

Post#46 » by panthermark » Wed Oct 22, 2014 2:48 pm

McD will have better raw numbers, but the eye test will show Mirotic having a bigger impact.

McD = The only guy in front of him is a 34 year old journeyman who was originally signed to be a 20mpg back-up.
Mitoric = The guy in front of him was 2nd in 6MOY voting, and should have made the all-defensive team. That guy in front THAT guy is an All-Star and current DPOY.
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Re: Which of Niko /Doug impacts more 2014/15? (Option added) 

Post#47 » by Mk0 » Wed Oct 22, 2014 3:30 pm

sco wrote:Wait are we talking about "Pump Fake and Clank"?

TNT just bought the rights to their reality show. It airs after Franklin and Bash.

Back OT,

Mirotic will have the bigger impact. He is a legitimate mismatch at PF. Stretch 4 who can drive and play the lanes on D. Once he gets more comfortable and attunes to the NBA he will be a very good player.
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Re: Which of Niko /Doug impacts more 2014/15? (Option added) 

Post#48 » by fleet » Wed Oct 22, 2014 5:09 pm

Given the injury history with Noah and Gasol, Mirotic may get minutes and chance to show he is probably a better player than Dougie. Talent finds the floor eventually
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Re: Which of Niko /Doug impacts more 2014/15? (Option added) 

Post#49 » by Beans » Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:54 pm

For the bigs Mirotic has to compete with NOAH PAU TAJ for PT. He will get some mintues to rest NOAH PAU.
On the wings, Doug has to compete with BUTLER MDJ SNELL KIRK.
Doug will get get more minutes because of easier competition for minutes short-term.
Mirotic is a skilled big man so he will have the better career.
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Re: Which of Niko /Doug impacts more 2014/15? (Option added) 

Post#50 » by AirP. » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:48 pm

Being more NBA ready and having a better opportunity you have to go with Doug but long term, Mirotic is the one who looks like a possible #1 option in the future.

I have a feeling that Thibs has already pigeonholed McDermott as Kyle Korver 2.0 which is too bad since I happen to think Doug's got more than that to offer the Bulls.
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Re: Which of Niko /Doug impacts more 2014/15? (Option added) 

Post#51 » by BullBearBidness » Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:44 pm

I don't know who will impact the team more. I do think Niko is better, but it will be a matter of opportunity.

In regards to Eduardo, I find it absurd that he got suspended. It's like some weird mob/groupthink mentality. No one likes the nickname, so he is banned from using it and also held responsible for others derailing a perfectly legitimate conversation? How does that work? Shouldn't it be incumbent upon each individual poster to stay on topic and not blame a friggin' nickname? Not trying to call out the mods, but I just have this poor habit of calling out 'injustices' (I know it's just a messageboard; couldn't come up with a better word ATM) when I see them taking place. The logic being used here against Steady Eddy just seems really weird and Twilight Zone-ish IMO.

I'll leave your complaint here rather than edit it out, but just an FYI to you and anyone reading it: Eduardo's temporary suspension (which I wasn't involved in) involves a lot more than his decision to use a nickname no one likes in a poll title. Frequently suspensions result from only the most recent in a series of events and exchanges between posters and moderators on a variety of topics. Like a tipping point. And also, FYI, it wasn't the use of the nickname here that was the tipping point.

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P.S. Its a temporary suspension. Eduardo is welcome back and we hope he does come back.
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Re: Which Drain Duo player has a bigger impact this season? 

Post#52 » by Jahensle » Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:48 pm

KingCuban wrote:Drain Duo?

Never heard of it.


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Re: Which of Niko /Doug impacts more 2014/15? (Option added) 

Post#53 » by musiqsoulchild » Thu Oct 23, 2014 12:20 am

BullBearBidness wrote:I don't know who will impact the team more. I do think Niko is better, but it will be a matter of opportunity.

In regards to Eduardo, I find it absurd that he got suspended. It's like some weird mob/groupthink mentality. No one likes the nickname, so he is banned from using it and also held responsible for others derailing a perfectly legitimate conversation? How does that work? Shouldn't it be incumbent upon each individual poster to stay on topic and not blame a friggin' nickname? Not trying to call out the mods, but I just have this poor habit of calling out 'injustices' (I know it's just a messageboard; couldn't come up with a better word ATM) when I see them taking place. The logic being used here against Steady Eddy just seems really weird and Twilight Zone-ish IMO.


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Re: Which of Niko /Doug impacts more 2014/15? (Option added) 

Post#54 » by Proven_Winner » Thu Oct 23, 2014 12:28 am

musiqsoulchild wrote:
BullBearBidness wrote:I don't know who will impact the team more. I do think Niko is better, but it will be a matter of opportunity.

In regards to Eduardo, I find it absurd that he got suspended. It's like some weird mob/groupthink mentality. No one likes the nickname, so he is banned from using it and also held responsible for others derailing a perfectly legitimate conversation? How does that work? Shouldn't it be incumbent upon each individual poster to stay on topic and not blame a friggin' nickname? Not trying to call out the mods, but I just have this poor habit of calling out 'injustices' (I know it's just a messageboard; couldn't come up with a better word ATM) when I see them taking place. The logic being used here against Steady Eddy just seems really weird and Twilight Zone-ish IMO.


History teaches us everything we need to know.

Tis' the same with Eduardo. Except, he refuses to learn the lessons that history has taught him.


Had he made the thread and not put Drain Duo in the title he would've probably been ok. People don't like the unicorn nickname for Derrick therefore you rarely see anyone put up a thread like "The Unicorn Thread".
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Re: Which of Niko /Doug impacts more 2014/15? (Option added) 

Post#55 » by RebuildaBulls » Thu Oct 23, 2014 1:23 am

I think both wont have very significant roles this season unless a major injury occurs with our frontcourt but I think Niko will become an all-star one day. McDermott a deadly scorer/3pt shooter

McDermott 23mpg.... 8.5ppg 3.5rpg 45% shooting, 39% on threes (150+ attempts)
Mirotic 15mpg......6.5ppg 3.5rpg 48% shooting 42% on threes (less than 100 attempts)
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Re: Which of Niko /Doug impacts more 2014/15? (Option added) 

Post#56 » by pylb » Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:06 am

Voted #3.

I think Niko's been the better player so far. He's shown better playmaking skills and has been much better defensively. Still a lot to learn for both of them.
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Re: Which of Niko /Doug impacts more 2014/15? (Option added) 

Post#57 » by Hans Embiid » Thu Oct 23, 2014 12:03 pm

I think Niko makes a bigger impact.

Noah and Gasol will be injured some day.
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Post#58 » by Ice Man » Thu Oct 23, 2014 12:06 pm

fleet wrote:Talent finds the floor eventually


Especially $5 million talent. Niko will play.
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Re: Which of Niko /Doug impacts more 2014/15? (Option added) 

Post#59 » by qianlong » Thu Oct 23, 2014 12:36 pm

Everything can change but at the moment Niko looks a clear step above McD as a prospect. I expect him to become the more relevant player.

As for this year, unless there is a trade, it has to be McD. He is going to play more, he is almost guaranteed a clear rotation spot, and maybe even a starting role. Niko is going to be more inconsistent with minutes, and that also is going to penalize his development.
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Re: Which Drain Duo player has a bigger impact this season? 

Post#60 » by dice » Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:47 pm

Eduardo wrote:
patryk7754 wrote:The drain train sounds better imo

I already coined The Drain Train. This is reserved for the addition of Tony Snell, IF he can prove to be a decent NBA player and 3 point threat.

tony is more like the drain caboose
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