OT: The next President of the United States: ★★★ Donald Trump ★★★

[bentheredengthat]

NBA team (Hillary) vs D-League team (Trump).
Final score 167-52.
1Q : 40-30
2Q: 50-10
3Q: 45-8
4Q: 42-4

Donald claims the ref made bad calls and the microphone was sabotaged.
Hillary seemed to not have much interest in running up the score in the first match.

She was coached well. Just quietly listen once she lured Trump into trying to dig himself out of a hole.

First general election audience. Polls will be interesting to see in a few days. Not that I have any faith in modern polling anyways (another story).

[kulaz3000]

This is probably the worst election in some time, but Hillary is by far the lesser evil here.

It really is and it's sad.

I no longer live in the States, but goodness is it sad to see that these are the two candidates who are running for president.

Trump is just horrid, but Hillary isn't too far off.

It's going to be an interesting couple of years for the United States of America.

[chadrucf]

What if someone objects to everything about the US government? Is it fair that they are forced by threat of imprisonment to pay lots of taxes?

If you want to take advantage of the numerous services provided to you by the government via your tax dollars and be part of society, yea you do need to pay taxes.

[chadrucf]

I personally know a family who was affected seriously by it. Your argument that it is only a small percentage of farmers may be true.. but the family farm/ranch in America has been a dying entity for a long time now.

Well then that family has an estate in excess of five million dollars. This is not the reason farms are dying. Can you not think of other factors instead of being fixated on estate tax?

It's also insignificant enough that if repealed..... nobody would feel it but it would allow more people to pass their business or their farm or ranch to their kids without being stolen from.

So it's totally insignificant, and yet it is destroying families and the entire farming and ranching industries? Try again.

[Flopper]

It's a travesty that there's no real time fact-checking performed in these debates. Candidates are able to lie their asses off and the voters not savvy enough to follow independent fact check groups are completely oblivious to it.

[League Circles]

What if someone objects to everything about the US government? Is it fair that they are forced by threat of imprisonment to pay lots of taxes?

If you want to take advantage of the numerous services provided to you by the government via your tax dollars and be part of society, yea you do need to pay taxes.

Yeah sure, but my point is that democracy isn't really "fair". Anarchy is. But anarchy brings too many problems and potential instability that we mostly all agree we need democracy. I'm just saying that any tax scheme is inherently arbitrary. There is no magic fair number to tax someone, rich or poor.

[chrispatrick]

I am not at all a Trump supporter, but I wonder why people think it's a bad thing to not pay income tax. Sure, it's bad if someone were to cheat on their taxes. But if someone uses the rules set up by our government to their advantage to avoid income tax, why does that reflect poorly on them? I'd be more concerned if a candidate was mismanaging their tax returns and paying more tax than they needed to.

[chrispatrick]

I much prefer estate taxes (that only affect people with 5 million plus to leave behind) than income taxes.

For me, it's as simple as the fact that people should be less punished for working and earning their money than they should be for inheriting money. I have a lot more respect for those who earn it than those who get it from mom and dad. Of course, my perspective is driven by the fact that I work 65 hours a week and was written out of my millionaire father's will.

Not saying parents shouldn't be allowed to hand stuff down, just saying if I had to tax one of the two more, it'd be estate.

[RedBulls23]

It's a travesty that there's no real time fact-checking performed in these debates. Candidates are able to lie their asses off and the voters not savvy enough to follow independent fact check groups are completely oblivious to it.

Npr did a real time fact check.

[Flopper]

It's a travesty that there's no real time fact-checking performed in these debates. Candidates are able to lie their asses off and the voters not savvy enough to follow independent fact check groups are completely oblivious to it.

Npr did a real time fact check.

I'm talking about a fact check performed within the debate broadcast itself where the moderator addresses earlier points made by the candidates and has them speak to it.

[drosestruts]

What if someone objects to everything about the US government? Is it fair that they are forced by threat of imprisonment to pay lots of taxes?

If you want to take advantage of the numerous services provided to you by the government via your tax dollars and be part of society, yea you do need to pay taxes.

Yeah sure, but my point is that democracy isn't really "fair". Anarchy is. But anarchy brings too many problems and potential instability that we mostly all agree we need democracy. I'm just saying that any tax scheme is inherently arbitrary. There is no magic fair number to tax someone, rich or poor.

You're quite the contrarian about, everything. Every thread on here you're on the other side of the majority of posters. Do you believe everything you say or do you just like playing devil's advocate?

[League Circles]

If you want to take advantage of the numerous services provided to you by the government via your tax dollars and be part of society, yea you do need to pay taxes.

Yeah sure, but my point is that democracy isn't really "fair". Anarchy is. But anarchy brings too many problems and potential instability that we mostly all agree we need democracy. I'm just saying that any tax scheme is inherently arbitrary. There is no magic fair number to tax someone, rich or poor.

You're quite the contrarian about, everything. Every thread on here you're on the other side of the majority of posters. Do you believe everything you say or do you just like playing devil's advocate?

I believe what I say. I just like to think of possibilities. Occasionally I'll make a comment that is embellished in a way that I hope is obviously intended to be funny haha.

[JDRochholz]

America lost. That's the only issue.

[Jeffster81]

America lost. That's the only issue.

Absolutely.

Someone mentioned that Hilary is the "lesser of two evils" but as the quote goes, "the lesser of two evils, is still evil."

I personally do not want that criminal anywhere near the white house as she should be sitting in a federal prison. I want trump to win for no rational reason. I want him to win for the chuckles. After 8 years of barack america deserves four years of trump.

With that said neither trump or clinton is getting more than one term so....

[Bulls_MIT]

America lost. That's the only issue.

Absolutely.

Someone mentioned that Hilary is the "lesser of two evils" but as the quote goes, "the lesser of two evils, is still evil."

I personally do not want that criminal anywhere near the white house as she should be sitting in a federal prison. I want trump to win for no rational reason. I want him to win for the chuckles. After 8 years of barack america deserves four years of trump.

With that said neither trump or clinton is getting more than one term so....

Criminal? In this day and age, everyone prefers to use one mobile device and she admitted she's addicted to her blackberry. What if it really was a case of her relying on her IT staff and friends (including Colin Powell) that a private server was safe enough if you were carefully to delete all classified emails with the classified markings on the headers of the emails? What if it was really just a mistake and not intentionally breaking a law? Same with Bengazi, she was never convicted of intentional wrong doing.

It sounds like you're anti-Democrat and anti-Obama. All politics aside, Trump is no laughing matter when you look at his character and inexperience.

[johnnyvann840]

I personally know a family who was affected seriously by it. Your argument that it is only a small percentage of farmers may be true.. but the family farm/ranch in America has been a dying entity for a long time now.

Well then that family has an estate in excess of five million dollars. This is not the reason farms are dying. Can you not think of other factors instead of being fixated on estate tax?

It's also insignificant enough that if repealed..... nobody would feel it but it would allow more people to pass their business or their farm or ranch to their kids without being stolen from.

Not going to explain it to ignorant people who believe everything they read. You don't have to to be a wealthy, or even successful farm to have 1000 acres and equipment worth over $15-20 million. In fact, you can be struggling yet employing many people and especially today if you have a farm in Oregon or Colorado and it is in certain districts the acreage can be worth over $10k/per. So, it's either sell the farm, a big portion of it (which doesn;t show up in the numbers many cite).... or try to stay in business with perhaps a $4 or 5 million tax bill. It's going to become a real problem, real soon, for a lot more people simply because of land value when it is close to cities or in districts where marijuana can be sold for example.

It's just stupid and unjust to EVER tax an inheritance. PERIOD.

Hell, if it were up to me, capital gains tax would be eliminated, the IRS dissolved, federal income tax eliminated and a flat tax or a consumption tax would be implemented. But, I'm just a fringe lunatic, so don't mind me. Sorry, if I think any money the government gets to spend is mostly wasted.

So it's totally insignificant, and yet it is destroying families and the entire farming and ranching industries? Try again.

It is relatively insignificant and is a very small percentage of farms and businesses that even pay it... the problem is that the few people who do get stuck with it are rarely these wealthy people jet setting it around the World... they are salt of the earth people who happen to live their entire lives on land that became very valuable .... but they still want to farm it... and they own a ton of equipment and a business worth quite a bit...that is all they know. So, they wind up selling a portion of their land, or they just sell the farm to a big corp or developer or become one. One less farm... no big deal. Right? we need more condos!

[gardenofsound]

I am not at all a Trump supporter, but I wonder why people think it's a bad thing to not pay income tax. Sure, it's bad if someone were to cheat on their taxes. But if someone uses the rules set up by our government to their advantage to avoid income tax, why does that reflect poorly on them? I'd be more concerned if a candidate was mismanaging their tax returns and paying more tax than they needed to.

It's alarming for someone who is proud of not paying taxes and/or has some shady **** on his tax returns, to have direct influence over tax rates and brackets. It's an inherent conflict of interest. His history shows him having manipulated the system to his own benefit. Imagine if he has such direct control over the system.

He has way too much personal wealth to gain from all of this.

[TeK]

America lost. That's the only issue.

Absolutely.

Someone mentioned that Hilary is the "lesser of two evils" but as the quote goes, "the lesser of two evils, is still evil."

I personally do not want that criminal anywhere near the white house as she should be sitting in a federal prison. I want trump to win for no rational reason. I want him to win for the chuckles. After 8 years of barack america deserves four years of trump.

With that said neither trump or clinton is getting more than one term so....

Criminal? In this day and age, everyone prefers to use one mobile device and she admitted she's addicted to her blackberry. What if it really was a case of her relying on her IT staff and friends (including Colin Powell) that a private server was safe enough if you were carefully to delete all classified emails with the classified markings on the headers of the emails? What if it was really just a mistake and not intentionally breaking a law? Same with Bengazi, she was never convicted of intentional wrong doing.

It sounds like you're anti-Democrat and anti-Obama. All politics aside, Trump is no laughing matter when you look at his character and inexperience.

Im a dem and I'm not voting for Hillary.

She cheats and lies about literally everything.

Remember the whole no earpiece rule?

[TeK]

I am not at all a Trump supporter, but I wonder why people think it's a bad thing to not pay income tax. Sure, it's bad if someone were to cheat on their taxes. But if someone uses the rules set up by our government to their advantage to avoid income tax, why does that reflect poorly on them? I'd be more concerned if a candidate was mismanaging their tax returns and paying more tax than they needed to.

It's alarming for someone who is proud of not paying taxes and/or has some shady **** on his tax returns, to have direct influence over tax rates and brackets. It's an inherent conflict of interest. His history shows him having manipulated the system to his own benefit. Imagine if he has such direct control over the system.

He has way too much personal wealth to gain from all of this.

What? Hillary has way too much to gain from this. Please do some research as to who is funding Hillary. Do you think those people are handing her campaign millions from the goodness of their hearts? Saudi Arabia has funded 20% of her campaign, and Soros added another 10%. Why? Why is SA funding a US presidential candidate? Does that not concern you? Combine that with just yesterday, Obama going out of his way to veto a bill allowing US citizens to sue SA for terror attacks (which was rejected today), that raises a ton of eye brows.

I honestly have no issue with Trump legally not paying taxes. The system is set up to be gamed. I equally try and get my taxes as low as possible. So does anyone who holds assets and is in a higher tax bracket. This is why I pay $250 to have my taxes done instead of doing it myself in TurboTax. It's not cheating if you are working within the rules of the system.

[gardenofsound]

Absolutely.

Someone mentioned that Hilary is the "lesser of two evils" but as the quote goes, "the lesser of two evils, is still evil."

I personally do not want that criminal anywhere near the white house as she should be sitting in a federal prison. I want trump to win for no rational reason. I want him to win for the chuckles. After 8 years of barack america deserves four years of trump.

With that said neither trump or clinton is getting more than one term so....

Criminal? In this day and age, everyone prefers to use one mobile device and she admitted she's addicted to her blackberry. What if it really was a case of her relying on her IT staff and friends (including Colin Powell) that a private server was safe enough if you were carefully to delete all classified emails with the classified markings on the headers of the emails? What if it was really just a mistake and not intentionally breaking a law? Same with Bengazi, she was never convicted of intentional wrong doing.

It sounds like you're anti-Democrat and anti-Obama. All politics aside, Trump is no laughing matter when you look at his character and inexperience.

Im a dem and I'm not voting for Hillary.

She cheats and lies about literally everything.

Remember the whole no earpiece rule?

http://www.snopes.com/clinton-secret-earpiece-debate/