Source: Bulls seeking 1st rounder for Doug or Lopez

[Proven_Winner]

Nurkic and Gary harris. Not sure what 2nd round picks were given and who was taken at those picks. Probably jokic ha.


Does OKC still have their first? Or any other firsts?

Maybe a swap of Mcdermott for Josh "56 PER" Huestis. Perfect bulls move. Trade a shooter and rotation player, for a guy who probably cant shoot and cant crack the rotation, all to save a million in salary

I'm confused about your last paragraph. I know we've sold guys for peanuts before like deny but Bulls already set their price for Doug and it's not that low. All they want is a 1st and maybe a trash player to make the money work. They're gathering trade chips not saving money.

True. Im just hating on the front office to hate. I dont like them and expect the worst.

A great trade would be sending Lopez back to portland. He did great there a couple years ago.

Lopez for Festus Ezeli, Ed Davis, and Laymen. Portland has 3 first rounders in this years draft. Ask for Memphis 1st but settle for cleveland first.

That way you get out of his long contract. Ed and Festus expire after next season. And they dont even really play so that helps the bulls lose.

Can they even trade festus since he's hurt? I wouldn't mind that Memphis pick the though.

[51X3RF4N]

This tells me that the Sixers are NOT targeting McD as the "player" they want back in an Okafor deal. If the Bulls are trying to get a 1st, it's likely to send to Philly with one of Valentine or Mirotic, in my opinion.

[biggestbullsfan]

Does anyone really think we will get any worth while pick for Doug or Lopez?

I wouldnt trade a lottery pick for either, maybe in the 20's. Lets not overvalue our trash. This draft is suppose to be stacked, why give that up for a player who still hasnt panned out or show signs of promise? Last year maybe you couldve done this for Doug. This year, I dont expect anything outside of maybe late late teens or in the 20's. Lopez isnt worth a first rounder. Especially not before the draft. If this was the summer I think more teams would consider it. Mid-season not so much imo.

contender or playoff teams who miss last piece, rim protector or C in general would be willing to part with 1st. Specially if they have bunch of them.

Portland might be a option. They lack C, but they did aquire Nurkic. Still. They have 3 first rounders this year.
Celtics might be a option. They lack rebounding, C, they have their own pick (late) and Nets pick so they would we willing to part with their own.
OKC might be option. They did lose Kanter. They maybe chasing playoffs and depth. But I dont know if Presti is willing to trade a pick. Charlotte did aquire Plumlee for Hawes and Hibbert. But you wonder would they be willing to part with a pick for Lopez. Lopez is better than Plumlee.

I think that we can make a trade, Im just saying I dont expect the returns to be too significant.

[MC3]

Does anyone really think we will get any worth while pick for Doug or Lopez?

I wouldnt trade a lottery pick for either, maybe in the 20's. Lets not overvalue our trash. This draft is suppose to be stacked, why give that up for a player who still hasnt panned out or show signs of promise? Last year maybe you couldve done this for Doug. This year, I dont expect anything outside of maybe late late teens or in the 20's. Lopez isnt worth a first rounder. Especially not before the draft. If this was the summer I think more teams would consider it. Mid-season not so much imo.

contender or playoff teams who miss last piece, rim protector or C in general would be willing to part with 1st. Specially if they have bunch of them.

Portland might be a option. They lack C, but they did aquire Nurkic. Still. They have 3 first rounders this year.
Celtics might be a option. They lack rebounding, C, they have their own pick (late) and Nets pick so they would we willing to part with their own.
OKC might be option. They did lose Kanter. They maybe chasing playoffs and depth. But I dont know if Presti is willing to trade a pick. Charlotte did aquire Plumlee for Hawes and Hibbert. But you wonder would they be willing to part with a pick for Lopez. Lopez is better than Plumlee.

I think that we can make a trade, Im just saying I dont expect the returns to be too significant.

value is 1st rounder. But Bulls will need to take contract to match salary. Best we can do is hope it's expiring. It will also give us additional 14M cap space this summer to sign some bench players

[Ctownbulls]

we gave up 2 first rounds for MC3....

Sometimes you have to minimize your losses. Just because you buy a stock at $50 doesn't mean you shouldn't sell it when it hits $25.

[MrSparkle]

Oh man, a 1st rounder would be amazing.

It would be absurd if anybody paid that though.

The market for Lopez is horrible too, right now. Portland just shuffled their center orientation, so I don't see Lopez as a possibility there anymore.

Pelicans might be in the hunt for roster upgrades, to appease AD.

Lopez, McDermott for Tyreke's expiring and their 1st might work if Gar can manage to drink their GM under the table.

[Ctownbulls]

This tells me that the Sixers are NOT targeting McD as the "player" they want back in an Okafor deal. If the Bulls are trying to get a 1st, it's likely to send to Philly with one of Valentine or Mirotic, in my opinion.

Lopez and a #1. That is the only thing that makes sense. Why would Phili want ANY of the Bulls young players. They all suck.

Lopez gives them a more than respectable back-up center to Embiid, who can also start 20+ games a year if necessary, on a very affordable contract.

[51X3RF4N]

This tells me that the Sixers are NOT targeting McD as the "player" they want back in an Okafor deal. If the Bulls are trying to get a 1st, it's likely to send to Philly with one of Valentine or Mirotic, in my opinion.

Lopez and a #1. That is the only thing that makes sense. Why would Phili want ANY of the Bulls young players. They all suck.

Lopez gives them a more than respectable back-up center to Embiid, who can also start 20+ games a year if necessary, on a very affordable contract.

You make a good point, although I do think the Sixers currently want Noel to be the backup Center, even if it means paying him $15+M per year. So, I would think Valentine is on their wishlist, simply because he fits with Simmons and they can swing it from a PR aspect that Okafor got us 2 1st round picks, blah blah blah. Who knows?

[HoopsterJones]

contender or playoff teams who miss last piece, rim protector or C in general would be willing to part with 1st. Specially if they have bunch of them.

Portland might be a option. They lack C, but they did aquire Nurkic. Still. They have 3 first rounders this year.
Celtics might be a option. They lack rebounding, C, they have their own pick (late) and Nets pick so they would we willing to part with their own.
OKC might be option. They did lose Kanter. They maybe chasing playoffs and depth. But I dont know if Presti is willing to trade a pick. Charlotte did aquire Plumlee for Hawes and Hibbert. But you wonder would they be willing to part with a pick for Lopez. Lopez is better than Plumlee.

I think that we can make a trade, Im just saying I dont expect the returns to be too significant.

value is 1st rounder. But Bulls will need to take contract to match salary. Best we can do is hope it's expiring. It will also give us additional 14M cap space this summer to sign some bench players

Depends on which team they potentially trade with, this may not be the case. If a team can take on the value of the contract in a trade and not go over the cap it is allowed without having to match salaries. The Bulls would then receive a trade exception.

Going with this approach though will limit trade partners and expected returns in a trade. Although if they can land a mid 1st round pick and get a trade exception it's a big win. Just not likely though.

[bulliedog8]

Can they even trade festus since he's hurt? I wouldn't mind that Memphis pick the though.

Ya you can. Birdman has a torn acl and was traded and waived yesterday or 2 days ago. Portland is trying to trade him. Only reason id be ok taking him is for the 1st round pick and also since he expires next year instead of 3 years from now

[sh0ck]

With McDermott, I think the Bulls should just stick it out with him. He has a tangible NBA skill, which also happens to be the Bulls biggest weakness.

The mistake the Bulls are doing right now is linking Rondo to McDermott for minutes on the court. Rondo is probably the second worst perimeter defender on the team, with Doug being the worst. I get that Rondo makes fancy passes to get McDermott open on occassion, but Doug gets quality looks independent of Rondo. It's not like Doug exclusively gets open shots when Rondo is on the court. But the Rondo/McDermott combo is so awful defensively, there is no way to cover for the lackluster effort (from Rondo) and lackluster foot speed (from McDermott). This might improve if they eventually cut Rondo and have MCW supplant him as the main backup Point Guard, but the fact that you have to scheme just to get him on the court... says a lot about how sad the whole situation is.

[Axxo]

I'm confused about your last paragraph. I know we've sold guys for peanuts before like deny but Bulls already set their price for Doug and it's not that low. All they want is a 1st and maybe a trash player to make the money work. They're gathering trade chips not saving money.

True. Im just hating on the front office to hate. I dont like them and expect the worst.

A great trade would be sending Lopez back to portland. He did great there a couple years ago.

Lopez for Festus Ezeli, Ed Davis, and Laymen. Portland has 3 first rounders in this years draft. Ask for Memphis 1st but settle for cleveland first.

That way you get out of his long contract. Ed and Festus expire after next season. And they dont even really play so that helps the bulls lose.

Can they even trade festus since he's hurt? I wouldn't mind that Memphis pick the though.

I believe he was hurt when he was originally traded to GSW. So was Bogut.

[SpinninHouse]

LOL. Bulls seeking 1st round pick for player we gave up two 1st round picks for. Wow. Terrible mis-evaluation of talent by GarPax.

Lopez was a great trade though. I swear, only PJax would give up Lopez for Derrick Rose and then sign down broken down Joakim Noah to that insane contract. Whenever I feel bad about the state of our organization, I always look to the Knicks to realize it could actually be worse.

[SfBull]

Good news. Not surprising for me. Cris is obviously the better C going forward IMO and could likely be signed for less than Lopez makes. And his cap hold is tiny so moving Lopez could really help us in FA.

Moving Doug now would be very wise as his value will go down from now until the end of next year most likely due to contract status.

If you are talking about Felicio I can´t see how he can be the better C of the Bulls now or in the future.He is very limited.When he had more playing time against Wolves he didn´t show anything.

[TheSuzerain]

Plumlee is better than Lopez and is also younger than Lopez.

I have no idea why people on this forum think Lopez is good. He's a very good offensive rebounder and is mediocre to bad at everything else on the basketball court.

Robin Lopez is averaging 12 and 8 per 36 minutes on garbo efficiency.

There's a pretty good chance we'd be a better team if we gave all his minutes to Felicio.

[League Circles]

Good news. Not surprising for me. Cris is obviously the better C going forward IMO and could likely be signed for less than Lopez makes. And his cap hold is tiny so moving Lopez could really help us in FA.

Moving Doug now would be very wise as his value will go down from now until the end of next year most likely due to contract status.

If you are talking about Felicio I can´t see how he can be the better C of the Bulls now or in the future.He is very limited.When he had more playing time against Wolves he didn´t show anything.

Well he's a much better rebounder than Lopez, gets more steals, much more efficient scorer, much younger, much quicker, stronger, better in win shares, etc. I see Felicio as very ready to step up his role regardless of what may have happened in one game.

[ATRAIN53]

Sixers have Stouskas who they traded for, I don't think they want McDermott. Nik is starting to develop a bit, better than McDermott IMO. All we need back is someone capable of 10PPG and I'll take it. This guy is afraid to shoot the ball and it has destroyed his mojo. He can't hang his hat on being a solid defender so he has killed his value. We need to clean house of the Iowa St and Creighton fanboys, this is not the NCAA, this is the big boys league. Sorry Fred, Foreman and Dougie.

Lopez seems like he has really hit his ceiling. He should be a solid 20/10 guy but he seems to vanish down the stretch. This should be our solution at CTR for the next few years but he's not a difference maker type player. LOTS of talent and skills, no killer mentality IMO.

maybe a package deal brings value, but alone they are worth little. if they were worth anything we'd have a better record, esp Lopez I'm looking at YOU

[SfBull]

Plumlee is better than Lopez and is also younger than Lopez.

I have no idea why people on this forum think Lopez is good. He's a very good offensive rebounder and is mediocre to bad at everything else on the basketball court.

Robin Lopez is averaging 12 and 8 per 36 minutes on garbo efficiency.

There's a pretty good chance we'd be a better team if we gave all his minutes to Felicio.

Felicio is very limited,and I´m rooting for him being a Brazilian fan.

[Chi town]

Plumlee is better than Lopez and is also younger than Lopez.

I have no idea why people on this forum think Lopez is good. He's a very good offensive rebounder and is mediocre to bad at everything else on the basketball court.

Robin Lopez is averaging 12 and 8 per 36 minutes on garbo efficiency.

There's a pretty good chance we'd be a better team if we gave all his minutes to Felicio.

Lopez will be making a lot less than Plumlee in 6 months.

I agree. I trade him for a 1st and play Felicio all day.

[SfBull]

Good news. Not surprising for me. Cris is obviously the better C going forward IMO and could likely be signed for less than Lopez makes. And his cap hold is tiny so moving Lopez could really help us in FA.

Moving Doug now would be very wise as his value will go down from now until the end of next year most likely due to contract status.

If you are talking about Felicio I can´t see how he can be the better C of the Bulls now or in the future.He is very limited.When he had more playing time against Wolves he didn´t show anything.

Well he's a much better rebounder than Lopez, gets more steals, much more efficient scorer, much younger, much quicker, stronger, better in win shares, etc. I see Felicio as very ready to step up his role regardless of what may have happened in one game.

You ´re very optimistic about Felicio.A much more efficient scorer than Lopez?I don´t see it.