2018 draft 3.0. #7, #22 - Merged

[NecessaryEvil]

I think we need to try and get Dnoncic. According to rumors, the Kings and Hawks prefer other players over Luka. The Suns might want Ayton to run with Booker and Jackson. Memphis seems winning to give up the 4th of the right price. Ultimately, I think we will have to give up both our picks and maybe two players. I'm willing to part ways with Holiday, Portis, 7th, and 22nd

Dunn
Lavine
Doncic
Lauri
Lopez

That's wayyy too much. It would be different if you were giving all that up for a sure thing, like a Kevin Durant or something. 4 assets just to move up a few spots?

Be happy with who we'll likely get and don't get robbed, because THAT's robbery. This could be a Rudy Fernandez situation all over again and I LIKE Doncic alot.

it might be more than usual but I don't think it's too much. Its two role players and like you said, two unsure things. And if Doncic is there, I don't think it gets more sure than that.

I don't even think Danny Ainge would give up a package like that to move a few spots.

I'd be interested in a deal for him, but I'd like to hear what Paxson would offer in such a deal. Does he even value Doncic this highly? Guess we'll find out. Moving Bobby would take us from 3 stretch bigs to just 1. Would be alot more pressure on Lauri this season in a number of ways.

[TheSuzerain]

He's having very good workouts. Teams like his athleticism, length, has shown a good shot, good handles and has been very aggressive. He's also one of the youngest players in the draft at 18 years old.

But in game environments looked like Tony Snell

Remember Tony Snell during summer league?

Looks nothing like Tony Snell. Snell wished he was as fast and athletic as Knox.

The Snell comp is warranted.

Point is that Knox can shoot and has physical gifts. But he failed to impose himself at the college level.

Zhaire Smith vs. Kevin Knox is a useful exercise. Both have great physical ability. One of them actually uses it.

[Habs72]

That's wayyy too much. It would be different if you were giving all that up for a sure thing, like a Kevin Durant or something. 4 assets just to move up a few spots?

Be happy with who we'll likely get and don't get robbed, because THAT's robbery. This could be a Rudy Fernandez situation all over again and I LIKE Doncic alot.

it might be more than usual but I don't think it's too much. Its two role players and like you said, two unsure things. And if Doncic is there, I don't think it gets more sure than that.

I don't even think Danny Ainge would give up a package like that to move a few spots.

I'd be interested in a deal for him, but I'd like to hear what Paxson would offer in such a deal. Does he even value Doncic this highly? Guess we'll find out. Moving Bobby would take us from 3 stretch bigs to just 1. Would be alot more pressure on Lauri this season in a number of ways.

Its all up to what you move those few spots for. Also we can get stretch ones via trades/FA.

[HomoSapien]

Wendall Carter looks like he has some star potential. My biggest hesitation is that he’s a little redundant with Portis. Obviously Lopez isn’t part of the long term plan, but we’d have a front court log jam that we would need to immediately figure out.

[Chitownbulls]

I hear that

I think his game will seamlessly transition to the NBA. Such a phenomenal talent, kinda shocking that more fans aren't on board with bringing him in if given the opportunity.

People fall in love with athleticism, wingspan and size during draft workouts. Trae Young posseses neither. There is no worse time to be Trae Young than it's today and next whole month.

And yet somehow, his handles, quickness and shooting range are discounted due to thee above mentioned.

Don't sleep on this kid. I'd make Trae the 6th man and have him in a 3 guard rotation with Lavine & Dunn. I guarantee they would be a nightmare on a nightly basis.

The other thing I like about Trae is his confidence. He got so many shots up last year, it will only help his transition. This kid will step on the floor an believe he's 1, if not the best player on the court. His vision, handle an craftiness is special. TBH...he's probably a better fit to our offense than Dunn. I think Hoiberg likes him.

[Habs72]

Wendall Carter looks like he has some star potential. My biggest hesitation is that he’s a little redundant with Portis. Obviously Lopez isn’t part of the long term plan, but we’d have a front court log jam that we would need to immediately figure out.

There is a huge rebundant difference on their defenses and the projection what their defenses will be in the future. Portis wont scare anyone in the defensive side with his stare...for me he is a cannon fodder for a future trade ie not a long term plan to keep.

[JohnnyTapwater]

But in game environments looked like Tony Snell

Remember Tony Snell during summer league?

Looks nothing like Tony Snell. Snell wished he was as fast and athletic as Knox.

The Snell comp is warranted.

Point is that Knox can shoot and has physical gifts. But he failed to impose himself at the college level.

Zhaire Smith vs. Kevin Knox is a useful exercise. Both have great physical ability. One of them actually uses it.

The Snell comp is such a waste of a comp if that's all you're trying to prove.

Those 2 play nothing a like and don't share the same strengths... like.. at all.

[Hangtime84]

Looks nothing like Tony Snell. Snell wished he was as fast and athletic as Knox.

The Snell comp is warranted.

Point is that Knox can shoot and has physical gifts. But he failed to impose himself at the college level.

Zhaire Smith vs. Kevin Knox is a useful exercise. Both have great physical ability. One of them actually uses it.

The Snell comp is such a waste of a comp if that's all you're trying to prove.

Those 2 play nothing a like and don't share the same strengths... like.. at all.

Knox is long, has handles, can shoot and didn't utilize his skill set in college.

Summer league Snell and pre-season Snell looked pretty promising. But when came to 5 on 5 he didn't do much.

It's a concern like other players in this draft.

[TheSuzerain]

Looks nothing like Tony Snell. Snell wished he was as fast and athletic as Knox.

The Snell comp is warranted.

Point is that Knox can shoot and has physical gifts. But he failed to impose himself at the college level.

Zhaire Smith vs. Kevin Knox is a useful exercise. Both have great physical ability. One of them actually uses it.

The Snell comp is such a waste of a comp if that's all you're trying to prove.

Those 2 play nothing a like and don't share the same strengths... like.. at all.

They do though. Shooting and great frame.

Snell's problem is that despite these abilities, he's often an absolute zero on the court.

Knox had similar issues at Kentucky. For example, Trae Young nearly blocked as many shots per game as Knox. Let that sink in.

[Truebiscuit]

https://www.thestepien.com/2018/05/21/big-men-playoff-takeaways-2018-draft/

Nice read on bigs that can shoot, pass, and play unselfish basketball... this is a primary reason for why I want WCJ at pick #7. 5-out and let Kris Dunn or Zach LaVine go to work.

[holv03]

The Snell comp is warranted.

Point is that Knox can shoot and has physical gifts. But he failed to impose himself at the college level.

Zhaire Smith vs. Kevin Knox is a useful exercise. Both have great physical ability. One of them actually uses it.

The Snell comp is such a waste of a comp if that's all you're trying to prove.

Those 2 play nothing a like and don't share the same strengths... like.. at all.

They do though. Shooting and great frame.

Snell's problem is that despite these abilities, he's often an absolute zero on the court.

Knox had similar issues at Kentucky. For example, Trae Young nearly blocked as many shots per game as Knox. Let that sink in.

He's 18 years old. He still has plenty of time to improve.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

Knox in my eyes gets an automatic Calipari Sucks bump.

[Minalt]

At first I thought the #7 wasn't that big of a deal, but the more I look at this draft the more it become "ugh." I think it is because I am not a big fan of Young at all, but a decent fan of Bridges. Has anyone made any good posts on why Young is going to be good? I just don't have a lot of confidence that his game is going to translate.

[TheSuzerain]

https://www.thestepien.com/2018/05/21/big-men-playoff-takeaways-2018-draft/

Nice read on bigs that can shoot, pass, and play unselfish basketball... this is a primary reason for why I want WCJ at pick #7. 5-out and let Kris Dunn or Zach LaVine go to work.

Jontay!

My ideal scenario might be trading down for the Clippers picks and taking Zhaire & Jontay.

[johnnyvann840]

Figured he would. Been a fan for a while now. I'm sure Jerry West will take him at 12 if he doesn't move up higher.

He could end up sneaking in to the top 10. If this was another draft he could easily go top 6.

Any word as to why he’s rising?

Yeah, this is a surprise. His stock has plummeted since the preseason. Originally prior to the NCAA season Knox being bandied about as one of the top ten guys. Many posters here were talking about him for the Bulls pick even top 6 or 7ish. But after his season he dropped down towards the middle of the 1st round in most of the mocks out there.

I watched some in game footage of him. Not a ton, mainly because I wasn't overly thrilled with what I saw. Great physical profile, but very raw, IMO. But, he is very young and I expected him to be very raw. Definitely a project and not somebody who's going to come in and have an immediate big impact on winning. I like his stroke though. All in all, I was not a big fan.

Kind of a mixed bag because he started looking so much better later on in the season, which tells me he is a learner. It appeared the game started to slow down for him and I was slightly more impressed. Then, he played kind of bad in the conference tourney. I watched a good part of the Davidson game in the first round of the NCAA's and he was awesome. Then he shat the bed against Buffalo and K State. Got into early foul trouble in both games and kind of disappeared. I remember watching those games and thinking to myself how invisible he was for the team's leading scorer and such a highly touted prospect.

There are at least a dozen players I like better after the top ten. Even if he were there at 22, I would prefer the Bulls went with Okogie, Frazier, or Milton or Hutchinson. At his position alone I like Hutchinson, and Milton better. But Knox has a lot of upside for sure. Higher risk than the others mentioned but potentially higher reward. I guess.

[imagge]

Small tidbit Knox was a football player first as his father played at FSU. Being so young gives him loads of potential....he just really learning to play basketball as he out grew football in HS literally OUT GREW football

[TheSuzerain]

Small tidbit Knox was a football player first as his father played at FSU. Being so young gives him loads of potential....he just really learning to play basketball as he out grew football in HS literally OUT GREW football

Football is a **** sport to grow up playing. There are really no cross-functional skills being developed like there are in soccer and especially volleyball.

And Knox is real soft for a football player.

[johnnyvann840]

Knox in my eyes gets an automatic Calipari Sucks bump.

One of those kids Calipari was pushing hard to stay at Kentucky. He doesn't do it often either. I heard Cal say in an interview that he thought Knox could benefit from another year there more than most kids he's ever seen. Usually Cal is all for the kids going for the NBA if they are projected into the top half of the 1st round. He always says his scholarships are for life and the NBA won't always be calling and you can get hurt or so many other things can happen. School will always be there, the money won't.

[Truebiscuit]

Wendell Carter: Carter is the most versatile big in the class as he projects to do everything well at the next level. He’s not as fluid of a shooter and ball-handler as Jontay, but his mechanics are my second favorite in this class of bigs. He’s a little clunky as a dribbler but is coordinated and controlled. Most imperatively, Carter can make quick decisions with the ball, while also being able to capitalize on mismatches in the post. Carter’s all-around play paired with just above average athleticism earns him “high floor low ceiling” tabs, but it’s these kinds of versatile playmakers with high IQ and non eye-popping athleticism that draft connoisseurs are likely to underrate.

In honor of rapper 6ix9ine, I present to you the 69/69/69 club aka high major players with at least 69 blocks, 69 assists and .685 free throw percentage in a single season.

The list is as follows: Shane Battier (twice as a junior and senior), Ben Lammers (as a junior), Tim Duncan (as a junior), Ekpe Udoh (as a junior), Channing Frye (as a senior), Jordan Bell (as a junior), Joakim Noah (as a sophomore), Sir’Dominic Pointer (as a senior), Terence Morris (as a junior, also never understood why that guy didn’t play in the NBA) and one Jeff Hagen (as a senior).

Fairly impressive, but as you can see, everyone of those guys did it as a junior or senior except for Joakim Noah, who did it as a sophomore. No one in the Sports-Reference database, high-major or mid-major or even low-major, has done it as a freshman. No one until this year that is, when Wendell Carter finished his freshman season with 76 blocks, 74 assists and .738 free throw percentage. Carter did this in only 993 minutes (most of the players on the list were at about 1200 minutes on their season). He was also still 18 at the time and pondered a return to Duke for several weeks before declaring for the draft on April 16th, his 19th birthday. Needless to say, Carter is a ridiculously versatile big man at his age. Able to bang down low as one of the strongest players in college basketball, Carter also showed the skill, touch and fluidity to handle, pass and shoot. Carter is very intelligent both on and off the court, and came a long way over the course of his one year at Duke. Sure, he doesn’t have the quickest feet in space, but he also isn’t a total snail like Udoka Azubuike, and it’s really his only serious weakness. In many ways, he is exactly the type of big man I’d want in the modern game. He’s able to spread the court, find shooters on the weak side out of the short roll, punish smaller defenders in the post, protect the rim and rebound on the defensive end, while at the same time being one of the younger players in the class with plenty of potential for further development.

[imagge]

Small tidbit Knox was a football player first as his father played at FSU. Being so young gives him loads of potential....he just really learning to play basketball as he out grew football in HS literally OUT GREW football

Football is a **** sport to grow up playing. There are really no cross-functional skills being developed like there are in soccer and especially volleyball.

And Knox is real soft for a football player.

Hate this general statement as the ability to run , cut and use footwork is needed in all sports.... But my greater point is he is still learning to play basketball.....most here would not have drafted the Greek Freak because he was a project but the physical tools were there and 14 other teams wished they would have been able to mold that project.....The Bulls are not winning next year so you take the BPA with the highest ceiling and given Kevin's age and physical abilities that puts him in that category, his ceiling is much higher than Mikal Bridges, and Trae Young, he is equal with WCJ on ceiling as he has things in his game that fit the NBA better plus his physical attributes.