2019 Draft Thread Volume #6 - Post Lottery

[Axolotl]

I plan on doing another film breakdown of a guy in our range. Anybody have any suggestions for who they’d like to see?

Coby White. By the way, thise compressed game vids you did on Garland on both offence and defence, good stuff. Especially for someone like me who doesn't really have enough time to watch full games. There are highlights, yes, but they are not a tool for player evaluation.

[Dresden]

As a UNC fan, i watched a lot of Coby White this year. I feel like if we stay at 7, he is the pick no matter what. He fits the profile of the type of PG that GarPax want.
1. Speed with the ball. Really likes to push the pace. Good finisher around the rim.
2. Size
3. Shooting range and not afraid of the big shot at the end of games.
4. Developing as a PG. still growing in this regard, was mostly a scoring guard in HS.
5. Big program pedigree.

I may be in the minority here, but give me him over Garland who is more of an unknown before going down with an injury. Plus it sounds like PHX May take him before us.

I agree here. I don't see a big difference between Garland and White in how valuable they are deemed to be by analysts and people making mocks. Most mocks rank them within a position or two. They are quite different players, so it might just depend on which traits a particular team values as to where they are picked. It's a guess as to which player works out better. The thing about Garland is that if his shooting doesn't translate to the nba, there is not much else he can offer. Whereas White's game is more diversified.

[CoreyVillains]

I plan on doing another film breakdown of a guy in our range. Anybody have any suggestions for who they’d like to see?

Bol Bol is my nomination.
If you do that video i wanna know what are Bol Bol's what are his greatest strengths and greatest weaknesses.
Also would be good to know his NBA ceiling and floor and bust potential.

Working on one for him. The results so far are not pretty lol.

[CoreyVillains]

I plan on doing another film breakdown of a guy in our range. Anybody have any suggestions for who they’d like to see?

Coby White. By the way, thise compressed game vids you did on Garland on both offence and defence, good stuff. Especially for someone like me who doesn't really have enough time to watch full games. There are highlights, yes, but they are not a tool for player evaluation.

I’ll definitely be doing one for White. Agreed, highlights are fun and they do have a bit of purpose but they aren’t a good evaluation tool.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

I plan on doing another film breakdown of a guy in our range. Anybody have any suggestions for who they’d like to see?

Bol Bol is my nomination.
If you do that video i wanna know what are Bol Bol's what are his greatest strengths and greatest weaknesses.
Also would be good to know his NBA ceiling and floor and bust potential.

Working on one for him. The results so far are not pretty lol.

I send you my sympathies and I thank you for your time l, especially when it’s wasted.

[CoreyVillains]

Bol Bol is my nomination.
If you do that video i wanna know what are Bol Bol's what are his greatest strengths and greatest weaknesses.
Also would be good to know his NBA ceiling and floor and bust potential.

Working on one for him. The results so far are not pretty lol.

I send you my sympathies and I thank you for your time l, especially when it’s wasted.

Hopefully the rest of the Bol supporters can watch it and realize drafting him would be huge blunder too lol.

[Jcool0]

Working on one for him. The results so far are not pretty lol.

I send you my sympathies and I thank you for your time l, especially when it’s wasted.

Hopefully the rest of the Bol supporters can watch it and realize drafting him would be huge blunder too lol.

Or just realize you are just one opinion and try forming there own

[rtblues]

Working on one for him. The results so far are not pretty lol.

I send you my sympathies and I thank you for your time l, especially when it’s wasted.

Hopefully the rest of the Bol supporters can watch it and realize drafting him would be huge blunder too lol.

Not sure if you saw his measurements at the combine, but he's down 26 pounds from his last playing weight.
He's a rail right now.

[DanTown8587]

I always find it funny when people care so much about current production and skills instead of trying to make reasonable projections to what players will be in 2-4 years from now. It's why it's so strange to me that people care so much that Garland didn't play in college this year and the concern isn't about his future health but simply "well he didn't play". Or "oh man this guys video is bad". To me, the issue with a guy who has really bad tape (i.e a guy like Cam Reddish) isn't that he's bad now; rather, the issue is do you perceive his lack of production as being poor skills (fixable), poor athleticism (much harder), or simply poor feel (almost never changes). And if it was bad, how do you fix it?

[DanTown8587]

Regarding Bol, the number of players on the planet who have his size + fluidity + skill set is likely no more than 7-10 guys. There are obvious flags with him both physically and skill wise but the base set of skills + IQ is very high for a guy his age. There are a lot of positives with him: his shooting stroke seems very good and repeatable (it is a little low in terms of set-up but that's less important at his size), he has good dribbling ability, he moves well for a player his size, and he's very good at avoiding fouls while still being a shot blocker. Now, I'm not gonna sit here and tell you that coming into the combine at 208 doesn't concern me because it concerns me multiple reasons but I also realize that with a foot injury, he's probably not able to do the same kind of work that he needs to and he likely just lost weight not playing. He's not a guy I love offensively because he lacks a refined post game and I don't love the idea of him floating around the perimeter.

If the Bulls were like the Hawks or Celtics and had multiple picks, I would be arguing quite hard for Bol. As it stands, the cost at 7 is simply too high and not something I'd pull the trigger on.

But if you're going to ask me which guy I'd rather gamble on for this team, Carter or Bol, I'd probably side with Bol. The issue is the value isn't even in that but it's hard to change that value. I doubt Atlanta would do 8/10 for Carter for example.

[VolumePoster]

I plan on doing another film breakdown of a guy in our range. Anybody have any suggestions for who they’d like to see?

Have you done coby white?

Also curious about jaxson Hayes.

Thank you btw.

[BahamaBull]

As a UNC fan, i watched a lot of Coby White this year. I feel like if we stay at 7, he is the pick no matter what. He fits the profile of the type of PG that GarPax want.
1. Speed with the ball. Really likes to push the pace. Good finisher around the rim.
2. Size
3. Shooting range and not afraid of the big shot at the end of games.
4. Developing as a PG. still growing in this regard, was mostly a scoring guard in HS.
5. Big program pedigree.

I may be in the minority here, but give me him over Garland who is more of an unknown before going down with an injury. Plus it sounds like PHX May take him before us.

I agree here. I don't see a big difference between Garland and White in how valuable they are deemed to be by analysts and people making mocks. Most mocks rank them within a position or two. They are quite different players, so it might just depend on which traits a particular team values as to where they are picked. It's a guess as to which player works out better. The thing about Garland is that if his shooting doesn't translate to the nba, there is not much else he can offer. Whereas White's game is more diversified.

i agree as well. I will take white over garland easily.

[Jvaughn]

Thoughts on Nickiel Alexander-Walker?

6’6’ point guard with a lot of the skills that we are looking for. The big knock on him was that he is not an explosive athlete but is that really needed for a point guard? He is so smooth and doesn’t appear to have any issues getting past his defender. He is the cousin of Shai Gilgeous-Alexander.

If Darius Garland doesn’t get past PHX the Bulls could trade down and add a first in 2020 (much deeper draft)

Watch on YouTube

I hadn't heard of this kid before. Definitely like what I saw. Plays a lot like his cousin. Wouldn't mind taking flyer on him depending on where he falls.

[CoreyVillains]

I send you my sympathies and I thank you for your time l, especially when it’s wasted.

Hopefully the rest of the Bol supporters can watch it and realize drafting him would be huge blunder too lol.

Or just realize you are just one opinion and try forming there own

Absolutely. Everyone can believe whatever they so choose.

[Red Larrivee]

I always find it funny when people care so much about current production and skills instead of trying to make reasonable projections to what players will be in 2-4 years from now. It's why it's so strange to me that people care so much that Garland didn't play in college this year and the concern isn't about his future health but simply "well he didn't play". Or "oh man this guys video is bad". To me, the issue with a guy who has really bad tape (i.e a guy like Cam Reddish) isn't that he's bad now; rather, the issue is do you perceive his lack of production as being poor skills (fixable), poor athleticism (much harder), or simply poor feel (almost never changes). And if it was bad, how do you fix it?

Based on this, why is Coby White viewed negatively?

+ Premium shooting ability
+ Size for position
+ Above average speed
+ Respectable defense
+ Respectable athlete (at least)
+ Plays well with pace
+ Surprisingly a good finisher at the rim (67%)
+ 19 years old
+ Higher WS, BPM than Reddish & Little

Downside:

- Length
- Shot creation
- Playmaking
- Not an elite athlete
- Handle is high at times
- Doesn't get to the line a ton (5.2/P40)

White's biggest issues seem to be skill related rather than lacking the athleticism or feel for the position. Meanwhile, Reddish and Little both seem to lack feel, intangibles and basketball IQ.

I feel like I'd be fine with White as the pick and we're underrating him some.

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[fleet]

I always find it funny when people care so much about current production and skills instead of trying to make reasonable projections to what players will be in 2-4 years from now. It's why it's so strange to me that people care so much that Garland didn't play in college this year and the concern isn't about his future health but simply "well he didn't play". Or "oh man this guys video is bad". To me, the issue with a guy who has really bad tape (i.e a guy like Cam Reddish) isn't that he's bad now; rather, the issue is do you perceive his lack of production as being poor skills (fixable), poor athleticism (much harder), or simply poor feel (almost never changes). And if it was bad, how do you fix it?

Id be pretty happy if the Bulls go for a boom or bust like CR. Hes already projected as a good defender with prototype size and ability. He was a 3rd option off the ball at Duke. Definitely out of his comfort zone. Sort of the classic guy who was suppressed by his role in college.

[CjayC]

This kid is starting to get some noise on draft twitter

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

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[Jcool0]

This kid is starting to get some noise on draft twitter

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

Read on Twitter

One of the guys with the highest upside in the draft.

[JimmyJammer]

I always find it funny when people care so much about current production and skills instead of trying to make reasonable projections to what players will be in 2-4 years from now. It's why it's so strange to me that people care so much that Garland didn't play in college this year and the concern isn't about his future health but simply "well he didn't play". Or "oh man this guys video is bad". To me, the issue with a guy who has really bad tape (i.e a guy like Cam Reddish) isn't that he's bad now; rather, the issue is do you perceive his lack of production as being poor skills (fixable), poor athleticism (much harder), or simply poor feel (almost never changes). And if it was bad, how do you fix it?

Id be pretty happy if the Bulls go for a boom or bust like CR. Hes already projected as a good defender with prototype size and ability. He was a 3rd option off the ball at Duke. Definitely out of his comfort zone. Sort of the classic guy who was suppressed by his role in college.

According to your logic, Cam Reddish struggled because he was out of his element at Duke due to being a third option. What makes you then think that he would thrive in Chicago as a possible 4th option? Explain this to me.

[Clint Eastwood]

I would give our 7th pick and next year top 10 protected for Garland, yes. He is going to be great, and is the perfect fit. This of course is if his medicals check out. With this week talent pool, the 7th has less value this year I believe. Next year may or may not be better, but I’m fine if we give up the 7th this year and 11th next year for garland. I just think he is that high upside a talent to move up for.