Lavine is....

drosereturn · Post #41 » by **drosereturn** » Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:06 am

Just_Bullz wrote:He is our number 1 unless Mr White steps up in a couple of season and takes over. Next season will be a litmus test on how the latter can truly gel with Lavine.

Lavine and White are our one-two punch like it or not and this is how things will roll.

We need that 3rd piece to complete the puzzle.

Yeah lets all in for Edwards as the 3rd piece and complete our dynasty. Thats what pro Lavine guys like to hear right?
The fallacy of this is your just chucking shots and you will have one good game out of every 10 games when their shots fall in.
Im not build a team thats ready to give up 200 pts per game. Maybe if you had 3 Trae Youngs Hardens I would consider it.

Kevin Durant gave some "hope" to Lavine 1st option supporters that he will be the next American superstar but stuff like this wonder why great players shouldnt be coach/gm. playing good ball has really nothing to do with evaluating talent.

Hold That · Post #42 » by **Hold That** » Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:12 am

If the TWolves came to us and said Lavine for the #1 pick should we take it?

leo921 · Post #43 » by **leo921** » Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:16 am

Lavine is a good 2nd option to get you to 2nd round of playoffs.
Lavine is a amazing 3rd option that can get you to the finals.

The biggest issue is that Lavine is not a first option and it is up to the Bulls GM to get him one so Lavine and the team can have success moving forward.

At 19m for 2 years Lavine is a great contract, even as a 2nd option. We should keep and extend him (max extension is 23m, a good number if you look at contracts around the league)

Bullflip · Post #44 » by **Bullflip** » Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:30 am

leo921 wrote:Lavine is a good 2nd option to get you to 2nd round of playoffs.
Lavine is a amazing 3rd option that can get you to the finals.

The biggest issue is that Lavine is not a first option and it is up to the Bulls GM to get him one so Lavine and the team can have success moving forward.

At 19m for 2 years Lavine is a great contract, even as a 2nd option. We should keep and extend him (max extension is 23m, a good number if you look at contracts around the league)

The problem is will Lavine defer if they get a #1 option? Lavine believes he's the alpha. It would have to be a big star like Giannis to come over for him to defer. If it's someone younger or borderline fringe all-star like Lavine, I don't think he will let that new person be the #1 option. That's why I say it's best to trade him Lavine now while he has some good value. Bulls will take a step back but they are in perfect position to take advantage of these next 2 drafts which will be very strong.

Bullflip · Post #45 » by **Bullflip** » Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:30 am

Bullflip wrote:
leo921 wrote:Lavine is a good 2nd option to get you to 2nd round of playoffs.
Lavine is a amazing 3rd option that can get you to the finals.

The biggest issue is that Lavine is not a first option and it is up to the Bulls GM to get him one so Lavine and the team can have success moving forward.

At 19m for 2 years Lavine is a great contract, even as a 2nd option. We should keep and extend him (max extension is 23m, a good number if you look at contracts around the league)

The problem is will Lavine defer if they get a #1 option? Lavine believes he's the alpha. It would have to be a big star like Giannis or A.Davis to come over for him to defer. If it's someone younger or borderline fringe all-star like Lavine, I don't think he will let that new person be the #1 option. That's why I say it's best to trade him Lavine now while he has some good value. Bulls will take a step back but they are in perfect position to take advantage of these next 2 drafts which will be very strong.

Chicagoat · Post #46 » by **Chicagoat** » Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:32 am

Hold That wrote:If the TWolves came to us and said Lavine for the #1 pick should we take it?

We could find deals better than that for Lavine if we really wanted to. The new CBA(Mostly likely will see a salary cap drop) would make bigger salary contracts harder to move and Lavine contract is a deal with the production he gives you. I can see takers giving us a better deal that that..

The Box Office · Post #47 » by **The Box Office** » Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:37 am

a great trade piece for Jalen Green during draft night.

dice · Post #48 » by **dice** » Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:39 am

ZOMG wrote:
The Force. wrote:#5. If he learns to play defense possibly #2.

Defense won't make him an All Star in this league. Winning will.

Trouble is, he's not a winning player and everybody knows it.

defense would make him a winning player and thus an all-star

dice · Post #49 » by **dice** » Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:41 am

Ugly Duckling wrote:My prediction is he's going to make another significant jump this yr. He's been going hard already in term of training and hasn't reached his prime. His combination of excellent shooting and elite athleticism is very rare. Name some players like that. I can't think of any right now. Usually elite athletics cap off at above average shooting at best and excellent shooters aren't elite athletes. That's an incredibly useful combo to have in a player. He needs someone to handle the rock and cover up his defensive lapses so he can focus on putting the ball in the hole

i've noted before that there are a lot of dunk contest champions who combined excellent shooting and elite athleticism. only vince carter was a star, and some didn't last long in the league

hell, there are such players scattered at YMCAs across the nation

dice · Post #50 » by **dice** » Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:44 am

Bullflip wrote:
leo921 wrote:Lavine is a good 2nd option to get you to 2nd round of playoffs.
Lavine is a amazing 3rd option that can get you to the finals.

The biggest issue is that Lavine is not a first option and it is up to the Bulls GM to get him one so Lavine and the team can have success moving forward.

At 19m for 2 years Lavine is a great contract, even as a 2nd option. We should keep and extend him (max extension is 23m, a good number if you look at contracts around the league)

The problem is will Lavine defer if they get a #1 option? Lavine believes he's the alpha. It would have to be a big star like Giannis to come over for him to defer. If it's someone younger or borderline fringe all-star like Lavine, I don't think he will let that new person be the #1 option. That's why I say it's best to trade him Lavine now while he has some good value. Bulls will take a step back but they are in perfect position to take advantage of these next 2 drafts which will be very strong.

lavine is even dumber than i thought if he's unwilling to recognize that he can't be a winning #1

dice · Post #51 » by **dice** » Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:46 am

Hold That wrote:If the TWolves came to us and said Lavine for the #1 pick should we take it?

yup. unless you're willing to take the risk of this city losing out on another, let's say deshaun watson caliber player

dice · Post #52 » by **dice** » Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:52 am

Chicagoat wrote:
Hold That wrote:If the TWolves came to us and said Lavine for the #1 pick should we take it?

We could find deals better than that for Lavine if we really wanted to. The new CBA(Mostly likely will see a salary cap drop) would make bigger salary contracts harder to move and Lavine contract is a deal with the production he gives you. I can see takers giving us a better deal that that..

no chance the wolves would even offer #1, particularly the way jimmy left town. winning the lottery due to jimmy leaving gives them an opportunity to get that bad taste out of their mouths. bringing back lavine and paying him big bucks on a new deal to be a homeless man's jimmy does not allow them to pretend that that trade never happened

i'm tempted to suggest #1 for lavine on the wolves board, but i'm afraid i'd get flamed by bitter fans tired of losing. just as i was here:

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1809802

lavine is simply not valued around the league the way many bulls fans think he should be

the great kevin huerter!

RoseTheFuture22 · Post #53 » by **RoseTheFuture22** » Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:00 am

Kind of in between 3 and 5. His defense is a big problem but his offensive skillset is exactly what you want out of a player today with his ability to get to the rim and finish/draw fouls and knock down 3s. His limitations as a playmaker make him a 3rd option at best IMO or best suited as like a rich man's jordan clarkson.

I would definitely not trade him just to trade him but if you could get 2-3 really good role players out of the trade who fit better with the rest of the core I think I would do it

Dez · Post #54 » by **Dez** » Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:01 am

dice wrote:
Bullflip wrote:
leo921 wrote:Lavine is a good 2nd option to get you to 2nd round of playoffs.
Lavine is a amazing 3rd option that can get you to the finals.

The biggest issue is that Lavine is not a first option and it is up to the Bulls GM to get him one so Lavine and the team can have success moving forward.

At 19m for 2 years Lavine is a great contract, even as a 2nd option. We should keep and extend him (max extension is 23m, a good number if you look at contracts around the league)

The problem is will Lavine defer if they get a #1 option? Lavine believes he's the alpha. It would have to be a big star like Giannis to come over for him to defer. If it's someone younger or borderline fringe all-star like Lavine, I don't think he will let that new person be the #1 option. That's why I say it's best to trade him Lavine now while he has some good value. Bulls will take a step back but they are in perfect position to take advantage of these next 2 drafts which will be very strong.

lavine is even dumber than i thought if he's unwilling to recognize that he can't be a winning #1

Which is a myth people keep peddling with no evidence, there's been multiple games where he defers to the hot hand but people refuse to see it because it doesn't fit the false narrative they've created.

The issue is that outside of rookie Coby he has nobody he can defer to that can create their own shot, I think it was the OKC game where Lauri played well for a change and that was LaVine force-feeding him still because he's incapable of creating his own offense consistently.

LaVine is a player you build with, not around.

You trade him if the offer is in your favour not just for the sake of trading him.

Chi town · Post #55 » by **Chi town** » Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:10 am

I think new coach and professional GM will help Lavine. Bulls will make playoffs next season and he will be an all star.

Southpaw · Post #56 » by **Southpaw** » Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:15 am

I'm torn between 2 and 5 but I voted for 2. I think he can be a really good no. 2 for a clear cut superstar but I'm not sure where we could get that player. For example, I think he'd be a great no. 2 offensively for the Bucks alongside Giannis. I'm also open to selling high on him but I'm not sure what other teams are willing to give up for him.

PlayerUp · Post #57 » by **PlayerUp** » Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:46 am

JohnnyTapwater wrote:He's definitely a star worth keeping ...

LOVE his skill and work ethic. I LOVE what I've been hearing in the off-season. Because of that, I think he's a budding superstar.

I'm going to speak it into existence.

Knicks you hearing this? We're open to offers. 4 unprotected 1sts for Lavine entice you?

Raise that trade value Johnny!

Andi Obst · Post #58 » by **Andi Obst** » Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:43 am

dice wrote:i'm tempted to suggest #1 for lavine on the wolves board, but i'm afraid i'd get flamed by bitter fans tired of losing. just as i was here:

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1809802

Don't do it, the Wolves board is more active and the trade idea is way worse for them than it was for ATL. It's going to get ugly :lol:

drosereturn · Post #59 » by **drosereturn** » Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:03 am

leo921 wrote:Lavine is a good 2nd option to get you to 2nd round of playoffs.
Lavine is a amazing 3rd option that can get you to the finals.

The biggest issue is that Lavine is not a first option and it is up to the Bulls GM to get him one so Lavine and the team can have success moving forward.

At 19m for 2 years Lavine is a great contract, even as a 2nd option. We should keep and extend him (max extension is 23m, a good number if you look at contracts around the league)

This makes no sense. The Bulls dont have a number1 option so great contract doesnt matter for the Bulls.
AK has to move Lavine to get the number 1 option bc if he doesnt, then that 19mil advantage will expire by the time they get the next Doncic. And the previous FO falsely proclaimed he was the king of chicago as the number 1 option to keep their jobs.

Why would he defer his 30 usg to some young prospect which will then take a hit on his next contract? Just like Monta Ellis took away Curry's usage, in fact most people would want to maintain their position whether they are capable or not to be treated as a superstar.
In fact, Lavine probably knows he is no better than Lou Williams but continue his all star talk to get a max contract. He cant be that low bbiq thinking he is upcoming next American superstar gunning for MVP, scoring title, all nba. That just delusional, pathetic.

Hes not a team player to sacrifice himself for the greater good. Simply he is all about big talk without backing it up and with such high pride, no ones going to take anything from Lavine even if he was several times more talented unless you remove him. Right now, I dont think AK has found his Curry, but there will be a time when such things happen as evidenced my mpj, jokic and he will suffer through Lavine's oppression. Which is why I want CP3 bc he can school White and Lavine not to try funny stuff and lead by example. Theres not many veterans that hold thatt kind of influence.

Dez · Post #60 » by **Dez** » Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:51 am

drosereturn wrote:
leo921 wrote:Lavine is a good 2nd option to get you to 2nd round of playoffs.
Lavine is a amazing 3rd option that can get you to the finals.

The biggest issue is that Lavine is not a first option and it is up to the Bulls GM to get him one so Lavine and the team can have success moving forward.

At 19m for 2 years Lavine is a great contract, even as a 2nd option. We should keep and extend him (max extension is 23m, a good number if you look at contracts around the league)

This makes no sense. The Bulls dont have a number1 option so great contract doesnt matter for the Bulls.
AK has to move Lavine to get the number 1 option bc if he doesnt, then that 19mil advantage will expire by the time they get the next Doncic. And the previous FO falsely proclaimed he was the king of chicago as the number 1 option to keep their jobs.

Why would he defer his 30 usg to some young prospect which will then take a hit on his next contract? Just like Monta Ellis took away Curry's usage, in fact most people would want to maintain their position whether they are capable or not to be treated as a superstar.
In fact, Lavine probably knows he is no better than Lou Williams but continue his all star talk to get a max contract. He cant be that low bbiq thinking he is upcoming next American superstar gunning for MVP, scoring title, all nba. That just delusional, pathetic.

Hes not a team player to sacrifice himself for the greater good. Simply he is all about big talk without backing it up and with such high pride, no ones going to take anything from Lavine even if he was several times more talented unless you remove him. Right now, I dont think AK has found his Curry, but there will be a time when such things happen as evidenced my mpj, jokic and he will suffer through Lavine's oppression. Which is why I want CP3 bc he can school White and Lavine not to try funny stuff and lead by example. Theres not many veterans that hold thatt kind of influence.

Are you and Showtime the same person? You're making the same made up points that you've pulled out of your anus that aren't true.