Coby White discussion thread

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

Enjoy the time now that you have with Coby White. I don't see much with him right now. He truly is a Sixth Man. Before you know it, he's traded. Coby White is weak defensively and doesn't have any on-court savvy. We're definitely NOT giving him BIG money when it's time.

Don't worry, Coby White fans. He's no longer the scape goat since he's coming off the bench now.

Oh thank god he's no longer the scape goat. I was getting tired of defending this kid.

But wait. How dare I root for a young kid putting on a Bulls jersey trying to learn to play in the NBA. He is far from a superstar player. Trade him now, he sucks.

[madvillian]

Enjoy the time now that you have with Coby White. I don't see much with him right now. He truly is a Sixth Man. Before you know it, he's traded. Coby White is weak defensively and doesn't have any on-court savvy. We're definitely NOT giving him BIG money when it's time.

Don't worry, Coby White fans. He's no longer the scape goat since he's coming off the bench now.

Oh thank god he's no longer the scape goat. I was getting tired of defending this kid.

But wait. How dare I root for a young kid putting on a Bulls jersey trying to learn to play in the NBA. He is far from a superstar player. Trade him now, he sucks.

I really wanted to like Coby, thought he was going to have a nice year, but man he stunk it up and raised a lot of red flags for his future. Now he's got the torn up shoulder and is missing an entire offseason and probably all of training camp. He's nothing but an afterthought right now, maybe that will help him, he seems like a guy that puts too much pressure on himself. We'll see.

[sco]

An elite scorer off the bench who can swing the tide of a game +10 pts is a very valuable piece to a championship contending team. His time at pg has pushed him to a new baseline of court vision and passing that might those attributes to be passable at sg. Give him a chance. I hope that Coby takes this new path in strides.

I hope you are right, but I'd feel a lot better with a stable vet on the roster to step in if he's either not healthy or doesn't improve to the point where we'd want him to be before the deadline.

[DuckIII]

1. I never wanted to draft Coby White. I hated that pick.

2. Then after I watched him as a Bull, I think it’s fair to say I took a more favorable view of his potential than most Bulls fans here.

3. But even then that potential is as a microwave scoring sub. He was not, is not, and likely never will be a point guard for any meaningful stretch of minutes.

4. Given who we have added, and given that he is not a point guard, my prediction is that if Coby does not come back from his injury and have an excellent - not decent, but excellent - season off the bench, AK will aggressively look to trade him at the deadline. I don’t expect him to be on the team next year. But I’d love to be wrong and see him turn into the kind of high octane, Tasmanian devil type of bench scorer that he has the ceiling to be.

[PaKii94]

1. I never wanted to draft Coby White. I hated that pick.

2. Then after I watched him as a Bull, I think it’s fair to say I took a more favorable view of his potential than most Bulls fans here.

3. But even then that potential is as a microwave scoring sub. He was not, is not, and likely never will be a point guard for any meaningful stretch of minutes.

4. Given who we have added, and given that he is not a point guard, my prediction is that if Coby does not come back from his injury and have an excellent - not decent, but excellent - season off the bench, AK will aggressively look to trade him at the deadline. I don’t expect him to be on the team next year. But I’d love to be wrong and see him turn into the kind of high octane, Tasmanian devil type of bench scorer that he has the ceiling to be.

Being a PG is too hard as it is to develop, then you factor in he was trying to do it on the fly during NBA games. That just doesn't happen. You either have the vision or you don't. It was apparent from the beginning that he doesn't have it. That's why I was also against picking him

[beeshma]

I think Coby is an okay pick. Revisiting the 2019 draft we could have had Cam Johnson, PJ Washington, Tyler Herro, Matisse Thybulle, or Kevin Porter Jr.

All of these players are better than Coby, but let's be honest, none of them are elite players, few have 2-way potential, some have red flags, and...so far none of them project to be an all star.

[meekrab]

1. I never wanted to draft Coby White. I hated that pick.

2. Then after I watched him as a Bull, I think it’s fair to say I took a more favorable view of his potential than most Bulls fans here.

3. But even then that potential is as a microwave scoring sub. He was not, is not, and likely never will be a point guard for any meaningful stretch of minutes.

4. Given who we have added, and given that he is not a point guard, my prediction is that if Coby does not come back from his injury and have an excellent - not decent, but excellent - season off the bench, AK will aggressively look to trade him at the deadline. I don’t expect him to be on the team next year. But I’d love to be wrong and see him turn into the kind of high octane, Tasmanian devil type of bench scorer that he has the ceiling to be.

Yes, he is the shooting guard next to Caruso in the bench mob. If he can be efficient in that role and not completely tank the team defense, he'll stick, because he's simply too talented at putting the ball in hoop to trade away for scraps like a late first. He just isn't going to fill the role that we forced him into last year.

[ATRAIN53]

I'm still a BIG Coby White fan.

Kid is special. He's a threat to score anytime he has a ball.
He can create his own shot from nothing and can hit shots from distance.
He's a streaky shooter too, like he heats up.

I totally see him making buckets in playoff games, he's not afraid of the moment and to take the shot.

I think he's gonna figure it out in the next couple of years and be a really good NBA player.
Imagine him after a season with a vet like CP3. Maybe DeRozan is a good influence on him.

I think Zach saw him as a threat when he first got here - but when he's healthy this year he should be a lethal asset off the bench.

[Tetlak]

1. I never wanted to draft Coby White. I hated that pick.

2. Then after I watched him as a Bull, I think it’s fair to say I took a more favorable view of his potential than most Bulls fans here.

3. But even then that potential is as a microwave scoring sub. He was not, is not, and likely never will be a point guard for any meaningful stretch of minutes.

4. Given who we have added, and given that he is not a point guard, my prediction is that if Coby does not come back from his injury and have an excellent - not decent, but excellent - season off the bench, AK will aggressively look to trade him at the deadline. I don’t expect him to be on the team next year. But I’d love to be wrong and see him turn into the kind of high octane, Tasmanian devil type of bench scorer that he has the ceiling to be.

Yes, he is the shooting guard next to Caruso in the bench mob. If he can be efficient in that role and not completely tank the team defense, he'll stick, because he's simply too talented at putting the ball in hoop to trade away for scraps like a late first. He just isn't going to fill the role that we forced him into last year.

We have 3 all stars - there won't be a bench mob. One of our "big 3" will always be out there, and at least 2 of our starters will.

[sco]

I'm still a BIG Coby White fan.

Kid is special. He's a threat to score anytime he has a ball.
He can create his own shot from nothing and can hit shots from distance.
He's a streaky shooter too, like he heats up.

I totally see him making buckets in playoff games, he's not afraid of the moment and to take the shot.

I think he's gonna figure it out in the next couple of years and be a really good NBA player.
Imagine him after a season with a vet like CP3. Maybe DeRozan is a good influence on him.

I think Zach saw him as a threat when he first got here - but when he's healthy this year he should be a lethal asset off the bench.

I prefer you being right, but outside of being above average on catch and shoot 3's, I see nothing "NBA special". I am most disturbed by his inability to score anywhere near the basket. He is one of the most blocked players in the NBA. I think this may be a lost season for him like we saw from Lauri and WC in the past after offseason rehabbing stints.

[MrSparkle]

I'm still a BIG Coby White fan.

Kid is special. He's a threat to score anytime he has a ball.
He can create his own shot from nothing and can hit shots from distance.
He's a streaky shooter too, like he heats up.

I totally see him making buckets in playoff games, he's not afraid of the moment and to take the shot.

I think he's gonna figure it out in the next couple of years and be a really good NBA player.
Imagine him after a season with a vet like CP3. Maybe DeRozan is a good influence on him.

I think Zach saw him as a threat when he first got here - but when he's healthy this year he should be a lethal asset off the bench.

I prefer you being right, but outside of being above average on catch and shoot 3's, I see nothing "NBA special". I am most disturbed by his inability to score anywhere near the basket. He is one of the most blocked players in the NBA. I think this may be a lost season for him like we saw from Lauri and WC in the past after offseason rehabbing stints.

I agree that his inability to finish on rim protectors is very bad. Block magnet. But all I'll say is on the 1/3 nights he did play well, he made a winning impact. Something might be there. Might not, and he's not worth more resources, but he has his chance to earn minutes against 3 new guards. I think that was the point of signing 2 long-term FAs; "we're moving on unless you show us something."

[Hangtime84]

I think Coby is an okay pick. Revisiting the 2019 draft we could have had Cam Johnson, PJ Washington, Tyler Herro, Matisse Thybulle, or Kevin Porter Jr.

All of these players are better than Coby, but let's be honest, none of them are elite players, few have 2-way potential, some have red flags, and...so far none of them project to be an all star.

My money on Thybulle being that next all-star

[Michael Jackson]

I'm still a BIG Coby White fan.

Kid is special. He's a threat to score anytime he has a ball.
He can create his own shot from nothing and can hit shots from distance.
He's a streaky shooter too, like he heats up.

I totally see him making buckets in playoff games, he's not afraid of the moment and to take the shot.

I think he's gonna figure it out in the next couple of years and be a really good NBA player.
Imagine him after a season with a vet like CP3. Maybe DeRozan is a good influence on him.

I think Zach saw him as a threat when he first got here - but when he's healthy this year he should be a lethal asset off the bench.

I prefer you being right, but outside of being above average on catch and shoot 3's, I see nothing "NBA special". I am most disturbed by his inability to score anywhere near the basket. He is one of the most blocked players in the NBA. I think this may be a lost season for him like we saw from Lauri and WC in the past after offseason rehabbing stints.

I agree that his inability to finish on rim protectors is very bad. Block magnet. But all I'll say is on the 1/3 nights he did play well, he made a winning impact. Something might be there. Might not, and he's not worth more resources, but he has his chance to earn minutes against 3 new guards. I think that was the point of signing 2 long-term FAs; "we're moving on unless you show us something."

If Coby can grow and get better, he can take over the scoring DDR brought in a couple of years. Will it happen? Who knows but it is a path for him on this team.

[ATRAIN53]

I'm still a BIG Coby White fan.

Kid is special. He's a threat to score anytime he has a ball.
He can create his own shot from nothing and can hit shots from distance.
He's a streaky shooter too, like he heats up.

I totally see him making buckets in playoff games, he's not afraid of the moment and to take the shot.

I think he's gonna figure it out in the next couple of years and be a really good NBA player.
Imagine him after a season with a vet like CP3. Maybe DeRozan is a good influence on him.

I think Zach saw him as a threat when he first got here - but when he's healthy this year he should be a lethal asset off the bench.

I prefer you being right, but outside of being above average on catch and shoot 3's, I see nothing "NBA special". I am most disturbed by his inability to score anywhere near the basket. He is one of the most blocked players in the NBA. I think this may be a lost season for him like we saw from Lauri and WC in the past after offseason rehabbing stints.

I hope I'm right. I was a big Kris Dunn fan too and he really has flamed out sadly....
Like I can't believe he couldn't get on the floor last year in the ATL (if he was healthy?)
just a little too small and gets beat up sacrificing himself and not a great offensive talent - but still time. Maybe Marcus Smart will teach him some tricks. BOS fans should love him.

Watching Cam Payne pull it together after bouncing around for years tells you the guys that have the talent and work on their craft - they will figure it out eventually.

Maybe it won't happen HERE for Coby but if he can stay healthy and keep working, I belive in the kid.

[sco]

I'm still a BIG Coby White fan.

Kid is special. He's a threat to score anytime he has a ball.
He can create his own shot from nothing and can hit shots from distance.
He's a streaky shooter too, like he heats up.

I totally see him making buckets in playoff games, he's not afraid of the moment and to take the shot.

I think he's gonna figure it out in the next couple of years and be a really good NBA player.
Imagine him after a season with a vet like CP3. Maybe DeRozan is a good influence on him.

I think Zach saw him as a threat when he first got here - but when he's healthy this year he should be a lethal asset off the bench.

I prefer you being right, but outside of being above average on catch and shoot 3's, I see nothing "NBA special". I am most disturbed by his inability to score anywhere near the basket. He is one of the most blocked players in the NBA. I think this may be a lost season for him like we saw from Lauri and WC in the past after offseason rehabbing stints.

I hope I'm right. I was a big Kris Dunn fan too and he really has flamed out sadly....
Like I can't believe he couldn't get on the floor last year in the ATL (if he was healthy?)
just a little too small and gets beat up sacrificing himself and not a great offensive talent - but still time. Maybe Marcus Smart will teach him some tricks. BOS fans should love him.

Watching Cam Payne pull it together after bouncing around for years tells you the guys that have the talent and work on their craft - they will figure it out eventually.

Maybe it won't happen HERE for Coby but if he can stay healthy and keep working, I belive in the kid.

I think Coby will improve. IIRC, Dunn lacked the work ethic that I think Coby has. I think the Bulls were both right and wrong to put him at PG last season. That's what he was drafted to be, IMO. But I think his lack of vision and passing skill will hold him back in that role. The problem, IMO, was that Coby never really showed enough to earn the starting gig and I think it hurts young guys to go back to the bench after failing as a starter - I understand why they did it, but I think it sets Coby back.

[ArtMorte]

Coby White has got bags of talent, he can score in so many ways. We absolutely need to give him more time to figure out the decision-making, mental side of his game. He's only 21 and some players simply are late bloomers!

[sco]

Coby White has got bags of talent, he can score in so many ways. We absolutely need to give him more time to figure out the decision-making, mental side of his game. He's only 21 and some players simply are late bloomers!

I'm not saying he doesn't deserve at least half this season, but I don't see a guy who can score in "so many ways". Catch and shoot - sure, and that has value, but I'll want to see a massive improvement in his paint scoring to want to not trade him for any 1st we can get. And I'm saying that pick will likely be better than Coby, but at that point, I'd take a (low probability chance) that the pick does become better than Coby or can be used via trade package to bring in a better asset. Coby's rookie deal will start losing its value during this season, and I think that 6th men grow on trees in NBA free agency.

[gardenofsound]

Coby White has got bags of talent, he can score in so many ways. We absolutely need to give him more time to figure out the decision-making, mental side of his game. He's only 21 and some players simply are late bloomers!

You're not wrong.

But the problem with "late bloomers" is that there's usually at least one other team willing to make the gamble on that and pay them on potential, not current production. Lauri Markkanen may end up being a perfect example of this.

I don't believe Coby White will be wearing a Bulls uniform in October, 2023. He will either get the WCJ or Lauri outcome unless he really breaks out between now and then.

[MrSparkle]

I think Coby is an okay pick. Revisiting the 2019 draft we could have had Cam Johnson, PJ Washington, Tyler Herro, Matisse Thybulle, or Kevin Porter Jr.

All of these players are better than Coby, but let's be honest, none of them are elite players, few have 2-way potential, some have red flags, and...so far none of them project to be an all star.

Sure he was an OK pick given the 5-10, but every pick counts. Kenny Smith said it best in an interview; you know the laziest scouts when they stick to Duke/UNC type super school picks. It was an indirect knock on the Bulls. Not to say you can't find good picks there, but there are always under-the-radar schools to scout... and GarPax sure liked their off-shelf chicken stock. (Strangely enough I can't even remember Bulls taking the more guaranteed NCAA-to-NBA KYU program players - last Calipari pick they took was Rose, I think?)

For me, Coby has followed a very similar trajectory to Lauri and Wendell. I started optimistic, they showed a lot their first 2 months, and then they fell flat and got exposed for poor physicals, IQ and skills at NBA level. Zero creation ability (ok maybe 0.5% in Coby's case). More than anything, just broken physical profiles; Coby is weak as a noodle with no hang-time, Wendell is slow as a mech warrior with the reliability of a Pinto, and Lauri is a lumbering short-armed T-Rex who very mistakingly thinks he's a modern shooting guard. The only pick in the last 9 years (since Jimmy, to be exact) who can remotely hang athletically/physically with a Lebron or Kawhi is Pat Williams.

Bad picks add up, but even 1 Thybulle is better than those 3. Let alone if you went OG, Mikal and Cam. That's a whole lot more trade power and a stronger defensive core; addressing 3D wings is very difficult.

My take since the beginning was Coby needs to be a PG or else he's not worth it. Glad to be patient with him since his value's been nuked since his rookie season, but he has 2 seasons left to make some unrealistic jumps to be worth a typical second contract for a scorer (let's say starting $15m if he improves at his strength: shooting). Reality is Thybulle, Cam and Herro would've been more worthwhile. But no reason to feel sorry. Fortunately there are other GMs who love to overpay for mediocre prospects; fortunately we don't have GarPax anymore, who salivated at the opportunities to get Jerian Grant, Payne, and Dunn. I'm hoping Coby can pump his value this year and bring back something good.

[ArtMorte]

Coby White has got bags of talent, he can score in so many ways. We absolutely need to give him more time to figure out the decision-making, mental side of his game. He's only 21 and some players simply are late bloomers!

You're not wrong.

But the problem with "late bloomers" is that there's usually at least one other team willing to make the gamble on that and pay them on potential, not current production. Lauri Markkanen may end up being a perfect example of this.

I don't believe Coby White will be wearing a Bulls uniform in October, 2023. He will either get the WCJ or Lauri outcome unless he really breaks out between now and then.

I think you're wrong and I don't hold that against you. I believe Coby needs another year or two and he will break out. This type of PGs don't come about all the time. He already can shoot, he just needs to finesse the drives. His ability to take on defenders off the dribble seems so natural, we just need to let him figure the rest of it out.

Markkanen has been a much more finished product for all his years at Bulls, whereas I think Coby still has potential to become almost the next Lavine. He is one to persevere with.