How overpaid is Derozan, and will it matter?

[MGB8]

I think the only problem with DeRozan was not that we paid him, but the draft capital we tied up to acquire him. The pick has decent protection, but the way it is protected makes it difficult for us to trade other picks for a really long time. The mechanics of the deal lessened our future trade flexibility considerably.

I bet if we offered the Spurs the Portland pick for the Bulls own pick back (far enough into the season that it seemed super likely it would convey), they would jump at that. So if we want that flexibility back, I think that is easily getable.

That's an interesting idea, I could definitely scenarios where that would make sense for both sides given that the Spurs aren't gaining flexibility with our loss of flexibility. We'd probably give up some value to gain that flexibility back.

Net present value… the nearer pick has greater vale, everything else being equal.

[BigJimFinn]

I think the only problem with DeRozan was not that we paid him, but the draft capital we tied up to acquire him. The pick has decent protection, but the way it is protected makes it difficult for us to trade other picks for a really long time. The mechanics of the deal lessened our future trade flexibility considerably.

I bet if we offered the Spurs the Portland pick for the Bulls own pick back (far enough into the season that it seemed super likely it would convey), they would jump at that. So if we want that flexibility back, I think that is easily getable.

Issue is Markkanen screwed us up there. Need to get rid of Thad instead. We maybe could have gotten DeRozan for cheaper (assets wise) if Lauri decided to do sign and trade deal. But we need go long route to get 1st rounder from Cavs for him. So we offset slightly that cost we needed to do deal with Spurs.

Let's just not forget overall fact that we lost Thad Young because Markkanen had ego issues and 2M per year between deal with playing for Pop with chance of maybe salvaging his NBA career or loser Cavs he choose to do later one.

What makes that insulting claim a fact? Markkanen has stated in direct interviews that he had accepted Spurs' offer, was expecting to go there and was disappointed when the Bulls pulled him out of the deal. The only source I know of for your "fact" is Windhorst, whom I would only trust regarding the flavor of LeBron's private parts, reporting some third-party hearsay. So please, let's do forget that bull and move forward.

[dougthonus]

Issue is Markkanen screwed us up there. Need to get rid of Thad instead. We maybe could have gotten DeRozan for cheaper (assets wise) if Lauri decided to do sign and trade deal. But we need go long route to get 1st rounder from Cavs for him. So we offset slightly that cost we needed to do deal with Spurs.

Let's just not forget overall fact that we lost Thad Young because Markkanen had ego issues and 2M per year between deal with playing for Pop with chance of maybe salvaging his NBA career or loser Cavs he choose to do later one.

Who knows what would have been in the deal if Lauri went in place of something else, but Lauri directly said he was willing to sign with San Antonio, so this doesn't seem like it was Lauri's choice to change the deal but our choice to change the deal because we likely already knew at this point that we had the 1st from Portland.

Lauri killed his Bulls stuff on twitter/instgram etc at one point long before his deal was done, it's probably at this point that he knew (and we knew) that a deal would be done just weren't sure what direction it was going.

[vxmike]

If you have cap space giving DDR that contract is an overpay, however the Bulls had no space and acquired him via SnT while dumping dead money in Aminu and expensive money in Thad who won’t net SA more than a SRP or two at the deadline.

I’m viewing this trade as $60m for three years considering the money they dumped. They acquired a very solid starter for a middling FRP despite having no path to signing a played of his caliber in UFA or in the next couple years with extensions looming.

[MGB8]

DeRozan making a case that he’s not overpaid at all (I know, one game)….

[WindyCityBorn]

DeRozan making a case that he’s not overpaid at all (I know, one game)….

His first game wasn’t bad. Tonight he gave that 2nd star performance we need next to Zach. He looks much better than Vuc so far.

[MGB8]

DeRozan making a case that he’s not overpaid at all (I know, one game)….

His first game wasn’t bad. Tonight he gave that 2nd star performance we need next to Zach. He looks much better than Vuc so far.

One small but key thing was the 2 3PA. Even though he missed both, the willingness to take them forces defenders closer and opens things up.

[coldfish]

DDR fits what the Bulls need soooooo well. Is he perfect? Absolutely not. He is a pretty good player though. This might be the first time in his life where he isn't the man on his team and its going to make him look much better.

As the season goes on, expect him to get more comfortable running the second unit and to see the ball movement improve.

[kulaz3000]

DDR fits what the Bulls need soooooo well. Is he perfect? Absolutely not. He is a pretty good player though. This might be the first time in his life where he isn't the man on his team and its going to make him look much better.

As the season goes on, expect him to get more comfortable running the second unit and to see the ball movement improve.

That's exactly it. We needed someone like him on OUR team. Put him on another team, and in another role, perhaps he isn't as important, but for a team that desperately needed another play-maker, who could score, generate free throws or open shots for others, besides Zach, he is absolutely crucial.

Yes, sometimes him going solo for his mid-range shots are a little annoying to watch, but as others have mentioned about half of them were with the shot clock running out, and tonight more so than the first game, picked his spots to go one-on-one when things were stagnating offensively, and then opted to take a back seat when the offense was flowing. He isn't a stupid player, he understands the game.

Zach is going to continue to look good with DeRozan on the team.

[dice]

he's not overpaid. the bulls overpaid FOR him

[R3AL1TY]

The way salaries are looking these days...naw, he isn't overpaid. Plus, he compliments what the team needs where Zach doesn't have to go into hero ball mode to the point where it messes with his decision making. But expect DDR to have some annoying stink games though.

[dice]

DDR fits what the Bulls need soooooo well. Is he perfect? Absolutely not. He is a pretty good player though. This might be the first time in his life where he isn't the man on his team and its going to make him look much better.

As the season goes on, expect him to get more comfortable running the second unit and to see the ball movement improve.

the last two seasons leading a losing spurs team were arguably the first time he has been "the man" since high school

[HomoSapien]

Based on some early impressions, I think Zach, Ball, Green play really well together. They're disruptive and create a lot of fast-break buckets. DDR and Vuc do best in the half-court game, so I'd stagger them together with AC who seems to do well with DDR (AC fits with both groups).

[nomorezorro]

yeah i thought derozan/vuc was the obvious stagger pairing going into the season, although derozan’s lead guard game might be a little more one man drive & kick than two man pnr/pick and pop. defense is obviously a big question mark too; feels like donovan opted to go with just derozan + swarming defenders so we could grind it out with bench units rather than being more dynamic offensively but vulnerable defensively

still would like to see em try it out though

[WindyCityBorn]

DDR fits what the Bulls need soooooo well. Is he perfect? Absolutely not. He is a pretty good player though. This might be the first time in his life where he isn't the man on his team and its going to make him look much better.

As the season goes on, expect him to get more comfortable running the second unit and to see the ball movement improve.

the last two seasons leading a losing spurs team were arguably the first time he has been "the man" since high school

He was at minimum co-man in Toronto.

[WindyCityBorn]

The way salaries are looking these days...naw, he isn't overpaid. Plus, he compliments what the team needs where Zach doesn't have to go into hero ball mode to the point where it messes with his decision making. But expect DDR to have some annoying stink games though.

I don’t see him having too many awful games. I think how he played tonight is about what expect from him. Maybe not scoring 26 points, but in terms of overall efficiency, getting to the free throw line and filling that stat sheet. You let the media hacks influence your opinion of him too much. He is still a borderline all-star level player.

[R3AL1TY]

The way salaries are looking these days...naw, he isn't overpaid. Plus, he compliments what the team needs where Zach doesn't have to go into hero ball mode to the point where it messes with his decision making. But expect DDR to have some annoying stink games though.

I don’t see him having too many awful games. I think how he played tonight is about what expect from him. Maybe not scoring 26 points, but in terms of overall efficiency, getting to the free throw line and filling that stat sheet. You let the media hacks influence your opinion of him too much. He is still a borderline all-star level player.

I didn't say he will have many awful games. Plus, I'm not the media hack type.

[coldfish]

DDR fits what the Bulls need soooooo well. Is he perfect? Absolutely not. He is a pretty good player though. This might be the first time in his life where he isn't the man on his team and its going to make him look much better.

As the season goes on, expect him to get more comfortable running the second unit and to see the ball movement improve.

the last two seasons leading a losing spurs team were arguably the first time he has been "the man" since high school

That's not even close to true. He had the highest usage rate in Toronto (sometimes by a lot) in 2018, 2017, 2016 and 2015. He was 2nd to Rudy Gay in the few years before that. He has been the highest usage guy on his team for 7 straight years.

[micromonkey]

DDR fits what the Bulls need soooooo well. Is he perfect? Absolutely not. He is a pretty good player though. This might be the first time in his life where he isn't the man on his team and its going to make him look much better.

As the season goes on, expect him to get more comfortable running the second unit and to see the ball movement improve.

the last two seasons leading a losing spurs team were arguably the first time he has been "the man" since high school

That's not even close to true. He had the highest usage rate in Toronto (sometimes by a lot) in 2018, 2017, 2016 and 2015. He was 2nd to Rudy Gay in the few years before that. He has been the highest usage guy on his team for 7 straight years.

The Toronto board even had a Brick Brothers, 2 long crew and/ or some other sort of nicknames (even graphic footers sigs?) for Gay+DDR? I only have my memory--failed to dig those up on search but the TOR guys always are a riot.

[dice]

DDR fits what the Bulls need soooooo well. Is he perfect? Absolutely not. He is a pretty good player though. This might be the first time in his life where he isn't the man on his team and its going to make him look much better.

As the season goes on, expect him to get more comfortable running the second unit and to see the ball movement improve.

the last two seasons leading a losing spurs team were arguably the first time he has been "the man" since high school

He was at minimum co-man in Toronto.

lowry was a much better player